No it isnt. Memphis was hyped for what he did in Holland, and was poor in Manchester. There was no flash in that pan. Ever.
Adnan was hyped for what he initially did in a United jersey. People predicting he would be a future worldy. Sound familiar?
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No it isnt. Memphis was hyped for what he did in Holland, and was poor in Manchester. There was no flash in that pan. Ever.
Adnan was hyped for what he initially did in a United jersey. People predicting he would be a future worldy. Sound familiar?
No because Adnan did it for a couple of games. In case you forgot Martial scored nearly 20 goals last season, he has a whole season of credit under his belt. You cannot compare at all Januzaj's debut season and Martial's. Even THIS season Martial's numbers are far better than Januzaj.
It a BS comparison. martial did well enough for us to spenf €60m on him and was our best player by some distance last year.
It's his first poor season and not unusual for a 21 year old. Despite that he still has 9 goals and 9 assists.
Comparing him to Adnan this stage is ridiculous.
Comparing Martial with Adnan and Memphis.
Martial single handedly carried our attack last season, and while he has been poor by the standards set last season, he has not been abysmal by any means. Pretty normal for youngsters to have below par seasons. 8 goals and 8 assists in 40 apps is a pretty decent output when you look at it.
Martial single handedly carried our attack last season, and while he has been poor by the standards set last season, he has not been abysmal by any means. Pretty normal for youngsters to have below par seasons. 8 goals and 8 assists in 40 apps is a pretty decent output when you look at it.
i dont get the hate on martial
if you look at the stats him and rashfords season is pretty similiar and rashford gets praised all the time even if he didnt manage to score a goal for month.
martials season is obviously not been very good but it wasnt a disaster either. he is on 8 goals and 8 assists this season which is ok i think.
and the adnan/memphis comparison is a joke. he did more in his first season than those 2 combined in their whole time here. and dont forget he is 21 years old and playing in a team that is strugling going forward.
if you look at the stats him and rashfords season is pretty similiar and rashford gets praised all the time even if he didnt manage to score a goal for month.
martials season is obviously not been very good but it wasnt a disaster either. he is on 8 goals and 8 assists this season which is ok i think.
and the adnan/memphis comparison is a joke. he did more in his first season than those 2 combined in their whole time here. and dont forget he is 21 years old and playing in a team that is strugling going forward.
LVG's system suited Martial.
Its not so much his numbers, which are far below his capabilities, its his languid, seemingly detached attitude combined with less than stellar decision making that is more worrying. An off year can be overcome, having an off attitude is a much bigger problem.
I am winding these guys up a bit but yes its the attitude and decision making thats the problem. Its very worrying irrespective of a second season blip. We are not seeing the same thing with Rashford despite also not performing as well as last year.
The talent is there but talent only gets you so far.
Januzaji has 6 goals in his entire career. Martial just had a hugely disappointing season and scored 8.
First off, he hasn't been bad. He just haven't been as amazing as last year.
Second seasons tend to be harder for attacking players, and he hasn't had any quality support from a left back, and he is a striker playing wide. Because he no longer is our main man in attack he also has more defensive responsibility.
That and he has that woman behind the scene taking some focus.
All things considered, I think he has had a good/acceptable season, and people are getting on his back for silly reasons.
Honestly hope we buy a left winger (and not a right one as many seem to wish for) so Martial can get more game time in the striker position.
Second seasons tend to be harder for attacking players, and he hasn't had any quality support from a left back, and he is a striker playing wide. Because he no longer is our main man in attack he also has more defensive responsibility.
That and he has that woman behind the scene taking some focus.
All things considered, I think he has had a good/acceptable season, and people are getting on his back for silly reasons.
Honestly hope we buy a left winger (and not a right one as many seem to wish for) so Martial can get more game time in the striker position.
Another bad performance, seems lost.But I applaud his efforts, he did much defensive works.
Good efforts, bad form, not promising for the finale.
Quality again today. Our best attacker.
He simply must start the final.
He simply must start the final.
You're in the wrong thread. The Pogba thread is further down.
Mourinho clearly sees him primarily on the left and It's funny that, with how underwhelming he's been, we haven't been linked with anyone in his position.
The good thing is he will be going into next season with no weight of expectation on him.
I am still very confident he will turn his form around.
How some kids can come in and look lively and energetic while Martial plays the game at walking pace is beyond me. He seems to be the only player in our squad who needs special scenarios to perform. He needs to play in a certain formation, with a certain style, with the ball always being played into his feet, it needs to be a Saturday game and relatively sunny etc.
It's bollocks, someone with his talent shouldn't be getting out performed by Lingard ffs, regardless of tactics.
It's bollocks, someone with his talent shouldn't be getting out performed by Lingard ffs, regardless of tactics.
I didn't watch the game, but looks like he was poor again.
I'd be shocked if he started the final.
I'd be shocked if he started the final.
I never get why people have such hard ons for players that they get so biased and irrational when it comes to judging those playerss. I mean I have my own favorite players like Pogba and Ibra but it doesn't stop me from recognising when they have shit games or are in poor form. Martial has had a poor season as anybody with a pair of eyes can see, but any time I come on here I see people slating Mourinho or other players or quoting pointless stats and making eexcuses. Some will go on to attack posters who dare claim that the guy has been poor. Its stupid to me
People need to remember Martial just turned 21. Hes about the same age as most of the ones that debuted, yet some are expecting Martial to be a finished article because of his price tag.
Second season issues for a youngster and inconsistency to be expected especially in a transitional team like this where so much is expected.
Second season issues for a youngster and inconsistency to be expected especially in a transitional team like this where so much is expected.
One his main problems is that he dosen't know how to work with the full back. A example was when Mitchell had to go against both the oppositing RB and RM when it could have been prevented if Martial flashed towards the ball.
But but he is overrated and doesn't work hard in training. Even though I am just a fan I somehow know that he doesn't work hard in training. Also I expect him to play like Delle Alli or Hazard every game, if he can't play like them then he is surely overrated. All our attacking players have been really consistent, why can't Martial be consistent every game?
Btw this is Sarcasm if anyone is wondering what's going on with my post.
He needs serious movement coaching. I hope they can work hard on this with him in pre season as he clearly needs it.
His natural instinct is to float into the middle of the pitch but Lingard + whoever is playing 10 naturally do this also. We need our wide forwards to stay high up the pitch and make more runs in behind the defence.
If we can model his game on Ronaldo to how he moves he will be so much better.
His natural instinct is to float into the middle of the pitch but Lingard + whoever is playing 10 naturally do this also. We need our wide forwards to stay high up the pitch and make more runs in behind the defence.
If we can model his game on Ronaldo to how he moves he will be so much better.
Martial has been poor this season and need to improve immensely for him to have future beyond next season at United , but despite him having horrendous season he has been involved in same number of goals and assists as Rashford and Lingard combined in almost half the minutes in the league.
It clearly shows why we have struggled so massively in the league our attackers have been simply average come next season none of these three should be any where first eleven , let them earn there spots instead of indulging them like Mourinho seem to have done with some of our attackers this season other wise our struggles would continue.
It clearly shows why we have struggled so massively in the league our attackers have been simply average come next season none of these three should be any where first eleven , let them earn there spots instead of indulging them like Mourinho seem to have done with some of our attackers this season other wise our struggles would continue.
I think he should really look at what he was doing last season and try to focus on that. Ronaldo has ridiculous stamina (in terms of making accelerations all game long) and clever movement, it is natural for him. Martial can be his own player without looking at him.
I worry for him as he seems very uninterested to get involved in games many times this season. There is a good rule when things don´t come off for you is to go back to the basics. Work hard and keep it simple, running into a bunch of players isn´t it..
It's more the clever movement that I am talking about, running in between the fullback and centre back, being alive off the ball.
Martial is too interested in dropping deep and getting the ball at his feet. While that works well at times it's far easier for the defenders to work him out.
Deffo. It means the defenders can stay organised easier and keep their eye on the ball and the man easier. Needs to be more inventive. I worry if a lot of that should come pretty naturally though.
They're also people saying we should 'build our team around him' after the season he's had, why the hell should anyone even be thinking that? I wasn't refering to you or anyone, people just seem to take their love in for players to extreme levels and I don't get it
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Oh I agree then, it can be taught for sure. Specially to a young player.
Now that's just stupid fanboy talk. You said it, their love make them blind.
Yeah some it comes naturally too, Memphis' movement was actually pretty good but he didn't have the acceleration to cement it.
He can definitely be taught it though, it wouldn't even be that difficult as he does make the right runs at times.
I just feel he doesn't do the basics of a winger.
And he's not. He scored more, assisted more, just generally contributed more.
I have seen only one person here saying that and he could have been wumming or trolling for fun. There are also people judging him and saying he is overrated based on 1 bad season, what's the point of judging an young player based on one bad season?
He had a shite season no doubt about that but the criticism on here at times is baffling. Average player my arse, we'll see next season how average he is when surrounded by a team who actually know what the feck they are doing up front. I trust Jose to sort it out this summer.
Well said!
This. These so called critics think Martial who is just 21 should be playing like Dele Alli or Hazard.
Simply put, I don't rate him that highly. Its got little to do with age.
Based on one bad season?
And you think he can be a world beater based on one good season?
There was a passage of play just after Gomes came on. His was barely moving and was slowly getting deeper and deeper. Suddenly, once the ball got to him he exploded into life.
I think he has suffered most from the change in management and more so because he played well last year.
He is trying to do what worked for him last year and it's not just going to work under Mourinho.
Last year, our wide players had specific instructions to hold the width and wait for the ball while our strikers barely made funds and their jobs were to keep the CBs occupied.
He simply has to learn how to run beyond his man without the ball.
Preseason is crucial for him.
I think he has suffered most from the change in management and more so because he played well last year.
He is trying to do what worked for him last year and it's not just going to work under Mourinho.
Last year, our wide players had specific instructions to hold the width and wait for the ball while our strikers barely made funds and their jobs were to keep the CBs occupied.
He simply has to learn how to run beyond his man without the ball.
Preseason is crucial for him.
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