Were you saying this last season though? He's allowed a form slump given his age, is he not?
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Knowing what he is capable of its hard to drop him but it's also hard not to play Rashford now
Great cross for Ibra at the start of the game, but I agree he had a poor game and deserved to be subbed off.
He had an anonymous game (same with 1st half of both of the last games) and in that sense he was poor, but he's not really messing up our attack with poor touches and passes. I would still like to see him start along with Mkhi.
Seems to have lost a little of his mojo, hope he finds it during the international break.
I'm worried about him. He's a fantastic talent but doesn't seem to be settling into this new system or something. This won't be popular, but I also think he might be missing LVG. They seemed to have a good relationship. He was also developing a good understanding with Marcus as well. Now he seems to have trouble adjusting some.
I dunno, but he needs to get his head down before he's dropped to the bench.
I dunno, but he needs to get his head down before he's dropped to the bench.
Wasn't his best game, don't know why people are getting on his back ,I feel like the euros took a lot of his confidence out, it's slowly coming back. Still has had some nice moments during the game. Luckily we play so many games this season and I have faith in Mourinho to bring his confidence back.
Chill, he'll be fine. Playing into a ten-man defence is never going to suit him, but most teams will have more of a go at us than Hull did. Meanwhile we have good options like Rashford if Mou wants to rest him for a bit.
Spot the odd man out
Don't know what's going on with him lately but he's not the same player we seen last season. Might be a good idea to give the lad a rest to sort his head out. We have adequate replacements in Rashford and Mkhitaryan.
He was poor in the other 2 games though. It's not an agenda against him, we all want to see the Martial we know of last season but so far his personal issues are really eating away at him and it's time he has a game or two on the bench.
He was basically facing two players each time and hes smart enough to know when not to take a player on because he is double teamed. What happened then was as time went on the Hull City players got more tired and more space opened up for the likes of Myhkitarian and Rashford.
Away from home, with Hull having ten men in their box and it pissing rain which makes the ball slippy, was always going to be tough. Now in the end we should have beaten them by three nil, but i wouldn't be critical of Martial. How many times was the ball played into Zlatan and he miss controlled because he is surrounded by players and the ball is like grease.
Clearly, he is out of form. The dilemma is, should a young player who obviously has all the talent in the world be dropped for poor showings, or should he be given a vote of confidence and be allowed to play himself out of bad form.
Thankfully I don't have to make that decision. Jose is a top manager and probably have better understanding of why Martial is under performing. I trust him to make the right call here.
Thankfully I don't have to make that decision. Jose is a top manager and probably have better understanding of why Martial is under performing. I trust him to make the right call here.
Second season syndrome or just a dip in form, who knows. Some reading far too much into things, lads only young and will obviously have some poor games. I'm not worried about him long term, he certainly has the talent to earn a starting spot in the team.
I can see Marcus edging him out of the team, be nice to see how he responds.
I can see Marcus edging him out of the team, be nice to see how he responds.
He was good in the second halves against Bournemouth and especially Southampton.
He simply wasn't. He played good 1-2s, attacked the defense successfully, created chances and even did the work defensively. It just seems underwhelming when he was so clearly head and shoulders above everyone else last year.
If it's not an agenda, it's an overreaction. Today he was poor, in the other two games he wasn't.
Said this about him at the end of May.
And when asked why:
Nothing to worry about though.
And when asked why:
Nothing to worry about though.
He had a poor game, one of his worst in a United shirt. Jose needs to have a word with him, an arm around the shoulder etc, I think he's struggling with the system + requirement to defend more, and maybe his personal affairs too? He's allowed a dip in form, but in my opinion should be played into form.
Yeah I know. Not being critical of Martial. Just worried for him cause I don't want him dropped.
I made a post here before the start of the season outlining my big worries over Martial and how he doesn't look right. A lot scoffed at the post.
I don't think they're scoffing now. This is turning into a HUGE issue.
I don't think they're scoffing now. This is turning into a HUGE issue.
All the France NT players are starting very slow... remember that the Euro final was 6 weeks ago and it was a heartbreaker. I don't think any of them are mentally or physically ready at this point. Even though Martial didn't play much during the tournament, he practiced every day and was part of the group. Very little time off.
I also mentioned a while back that not being a CF in a 4231 is a big problem for Martial. Being wide in a 433 is ok... not in a 4231. The tactic really doesn't suit him as a wide player.
I also mentioned a while back that not being a CF in a 4231 is a big problem for Martial. Being wide in a 433 is ok... not in a 4231. The tactic really doesn't suit him as a wide player.
Don't be worried. He's out of form, his head isn't in it right now. It will pass.
I expect you to make a thread when our season is over to prove you're right.
If you are judging things in the Van Gaal way of thinking then he may of played well. But if we are being realistic what has been happening with him this season is that the ball has been stopping dead with him and he isn't making the forward runs and beating men like he did last season. He is rather trying to come inside or shoot from distance. His work rate hasn't looked anywhere near how it was previously either.
If you compare Martial to Rashford and Mhiki performances when the two came on they were making space, running with the ball and looking to go forward at almost every opportunity. Hell I give Lingard stick at times but even he is doing that as well.
Martial will be fine, he is just 20 and he played an awful lot of football last season and then went to Euros with France in summer. PL teams are also more wary and crowding him with 2 players whenever he has the ball. He badly needs a goal to build his confidence, once that goes in he'll play more like Martial we know. You just can't lose your instinct to go past a player on the back of a poor summer. It'll be difficult for him to scale the heights he reached last year but that is to be expected given his age and this being his second season. People need to temper their expectations a bit.
Play him into form for me, and what's the alternative on the left anyway?
Tough for him against sides playing so deep, he'll have more space against City for sure and out of form or not, they will be worried about him.
3 games in... relax people lol. It's not even September yet.
He really does look very tired. Needs a rest.
20 year old players having a poor spell of form is par for the course, he looks out of sorts and couldn't get past his fullback at all today.
So blatantly tooting your own horn.I think he needs more space.
Rooney might get the numbers, but his overall play is mediocre. A result of this is that there's no penetration down the center. This makes it harder to play on the wing.
Rooney might get the numbers, but his overall play is mediocre. A result of this is that there's no penetration down the center. This makes it harder to play on the wing.
And? Be right for once and try it!
Felt good, didn't it?
Great, try it!
Today Mata drifted in field many times, like he had a free role when we had possession. The over clogging in the middle of the pitch seemed to affect Martial's movement and overall game.
That being said, he hasn't had a spectacular 3 or 4 games, which is fine considering his age. He has played a lot of football over the past 12 months, he can't be hitting top gear all the time, especially at 20 years old. As his career goes on he will begin to understand when the time is right to expel the most energy.
Rightful substitution today though, and it paid off well.
That being said, he hasn't had a spectacular 3 or 4 games, which is fine considering his age. He has played a lot of football over the past 12 months, he can't be hitting top gear all the time, especially at 20 years old. As his career goes on he will begin to understand when the time is right to expel the most energy.
Rightful substitution today though, and it paid off well.
Martial has the habit of coming to the ball, rather than making runs ahead of it. If he was making the kind of runs Lingard is so good at he'd be performing much better. Shown up by Marcus' movement.
He still doesn't look sharp, Rasford should be starting in his spot currently, once he does find form though he'll add another dimension i'm sure.
He had a poor game today, think he just needs to get off the mark to get the pressure off.
He needs a goal badly.
That's usually the case though isn't it?
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