It all depends on your meaning of World Class, at the moment I'd only put 3 possibly 4 players in that field; Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and possibly Augero.
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Bale is and so is a few others imo
As I said, it depends on how you see it. No one is right and no one is wrong.
I've been watching him his entire career basically so a few goals for United isn't enough to label him a true goalscorer yet. He still has a very average shooting ability.
How some people can just start a moaning about everything is beyond me.
I don't think anyone is in awe of his assist, people are just in awe of his talent and potential. I'd add that ive been very impressed with his composure and mentality too.
Considering how little most of us had seen of him, and the headlines on the day the transfer, all the above have been quite the pleasant surprise.
Considering how little most of us had seen of him, and the headlines on the day the transfer, all the above have been quite the pleasant surprise.
Yeah and he got the better of Ginter not Boateng. No offense to Ginter
And he shrugged off Ruediger before that, who was mistaken for Boateng.
Correct
Neymar surely?
It's been a year of great performances, not 6 months
Always the same. Even if Messi played for us and scored a hattrick every week, there would be some finding something to moan about.
this.
Debatable, you could also add half a dozen to the list. For me the term WC is used way out of context these days.
I really don't think it's debatable to have Neymar in that bracket now, he's been the second best player in the world this year.
Each to their own.
Pretty much spot on devilish.
Yea I agree I think he is a certainty. Purely from attacking players perspective he must be there. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who name Lewandowski or Muller either
Hype and pressure are related. Are you suggesting these English players aren't under pressure? The media is more than willing to crucify them when things go bad, same for the fans. With Hype comes expectation and pressure.
So? I'm talking about the skill is which is being labelled incredible etc here. That skill had him getting the better of Ginter and not a seasoned top pro like Boateng. It doesn't matter anyways, he can beat who he's up against and if he's playing left wing, it's the rb he will be up against and he beat him. I just pointed it out because of the post I quoted with the German and not Albanian bit.
Yep. No doubt.
In my opinion they are not. They are massively hyped and protected until they feck up in a tournament. That's not the way to rear talent
Fair enough if you think so. I don't think that's the case.
I genuinely believe Martial is best playing on the left of a 4-3-3 after watching his performances this season.
Only issue is we need a much better no. 9 for him to feed. Otherwise he's our best option up front until then.
Only issue is we need a much better no. 9 for him to feed. Otherwise he's our best option up front until then.
Actually I believe they are making youth players a great disservice to be honest. A typical English young player start doing well and the media is all over the place, calling him names, hyping him beyond measure and minimising his weaknesses at each passing day. The player in question is made to believe that he had actually made it, he's a superstar and he doesn't really need to listen to criticism or improve his game at all. Then a major tournament occur, as usual England underachieves and if the player in question happens to have committed a mistake than he's thrown under the bus. All misplaced hopes are thrown over one player as he takes most or in Beckham's case all the crap.
Critics in Italy are much tougher. They are more difficult to impress and more fickle in terms of questioning the player's talent. Don't heed to my words but the words of the likes of Zola and Vialli who played in both leagues and have found the EPL much less stressful than the Serie A. However if they feck up badly in a major tournament than they never blame a single player because of it. Its a team game and all the team (or at least the manager) will get the blame.
I do agree with what you are saying about the English players. My only point was that they are under pressure to deliver for their clubs due to the hype and expectations. They don't get a free ride. The scapegoating bit, I agree with too but then again, with the English team, they all suck at major tournaments and thus ko one gets singled out unless it's an obvious incident like it was for becks.
Can't comment on the Italian way of doing things as I don't really follow them.
He shows the sort of qualities I really like in an attacking player, terrific assist. Plenty to be optimistic with him, no need to rush to judgment on his overall potential as there is a long road ahead for him
I may be wide of the mark here, but he reminds me of Berbatov -- more pace, can beat defenders in a way Berba couldn't, but similarities in terms of hold up play, technique, and ball control.
Similar to Martial's assist last night. Also has that same sort of swagger, albeit, combined with a greater work ethic.
Similar to Martial's assist last night. Also has that same sort of swagger, albeit, combined with a greater work ethic.
If Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and Aguero are what we are classifying as World Class, then Neymar still has some way to go to get there. Those 4 are definitely one notch above. I'm guessing that Pogba will reach that class sooner than Neymar.
I just said that to a friend about Martial reminding me of Berba.
Aguero above Neymar ? How does one come to that conclusion, Aguero has been fairly underwhelming for Argentina and in the CL whereas Neymar has excelled at any level he's ever played.
Seriously?
What
His facial expressions are hilarious.
Oh come on now. Neymar has easily been the second best player in the world this year after Messi and has been performing better than Suarez at Barca since the latter joined them(Neymar is Barca 2nd best player even after suarez joined them).
How on earth do you class Aguero and Suarez above Neymar currently? Messi is the only player in the world right now(this season) who's shown to be better than Neymar who is currently la liga top scorer.
Neymar has shown proficiency with goals and has better build up play then Ronaldo(who is only a goal machine but doesn't show the all round play Neymar is showing for Barca).
For some odds reasons Neymar tends to be underrated on the Caf. I mean the majority were going on about how Bale is better than Neymar
That's how badly underrated that skinny brazilian is on the Caf.Martial reminds me more of Luis Suárez (shenanigans aside and strictly in terms of playing style), rather than Berbatov to be honest. Similar raw dribbling style, has the ability to drive at the opposition, weirdly low center of gravity for being almost 6' tall, really good at evading defenders while making the ball stick to his feet. Suárez would play centrally and out wide too, and became a significantly better goal producer once he gained some experience at Ajax. Hope Martial can hit the 20+ goal mark next year or so, and progress from there. Has the chance to be a very complete 9½ forward in the Suárez mold; and also, while he might not be a 110% effort based street fighter like Suárez, it's heartening to see Martial work hard for the team. Not just in attack, but tracking back, and opening spaces for his team-mates. Really intelligent for his age, just seems kinda natural.
PS: That comment regarding Neymar is weird TBF. 10 goals in the Champions League (tied with Messi and Ronaldo but in fewer minutes), 22 goals and 7 assists in La Liga, 7 goals in the Copa del Rey for last season; 12 goals for Brazil in 2014 including 4 at the World Cup where he was the heartbeat of their attacking unit for a total of 50 goals for Brazil and Barcelona in 60 matches. And he's been better than ever in Messi's absence too. If the bar is set at Agüero, Neymar should definitely be there. As should Thomas Müller for that matter. The last bit about Pogba makes you feel he was taking the piss though...
PS: That comment regarding Neymar is weird TBF. 10 goals in the Champions League (tied with Messi and Ronaldo but in fewer minutes), 22 goals and 7 assists in La Liga, 7 goals in the Copa del Rey for last season; 12 goals for Brazil in 2014 including 4 at the World Cup where he was the heartbeat of their attacking unit for a total of 50 goals for Brazil and Barcelona in 60 matches. And he's been better than ever in Messi's absence too. If the bar is set at Agüero, Neymar should definitely be there. As should Thomas Müller for that matter. The last bit about Pogba makes you feel he was taking the piss though...
For me, it's Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Lewandowski -- in that order, though on current form, Lewa might be above Ronaldo.
I can definitely see the Suarez comparison. Do you think the Henry comparisons are wide of the mark? Seems pretty similar to the early Henry who'd play wide-left.
It's weird because my opinion of Martial fluctuates every month. When he first joined United, I thought he looked more like the Atletico or Liverpool version of Fernando Torres with all the pace, eye for goal and composure. Then once he started playing more regularly, some of the Henry similarities came to light in terms of how effectively he dribbled from slightly wider areas, beating his man, good close control. Now, he's evidencing great work-rate and desire to go with all the attacking threat like Suárez. Dunno what player comparison comes up next month.
Truth be told, I'd be really realy happy with the peak version of any one of those 3 players. Torres might look a bit out of place in that company now, but his first season in the Premier League was majestic.
Soon we're gonna compare other players to him.
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