Anthony Gordon | Deal agreed with Newcastle for 40m + 5m in add-ons

[roonster09]

Shame Lingard left on free transfer, we could have sold him to Chelsea for decent price. You never know when his name would be picked by their lottery system, that's would have been the only risk.

 

[bosnian_red]

That's horrible...

 

[Bluelion7]

The fact that we have newbie Chelsea fans signing up to defend this spend is all you need to know.

This is at par with the worst windows United have had in the post-Fergie years. There is not much rhyme or reason to what Chelsea are doing.

I’m not sure defending it is accurate. I’m trying to guess at the rationale. My assumption is that he is cover for two positions, and while I wouldn’t go that direction to do it, it at least could be explainable.

Why they wouldn’t turn to one of the younger talents they purchased already for that cover? No idea.

If they are going after him as an attacker to replace missing Leao, and doing so instead of Neto …. I can’t explain that.


And if they get signing across and miss on Fofana AND let Chalobah go … Tuchel should stop getting input in the squad make up until we have Edwards or another Football director in place.

And Werner should never have been the first attacking name out the door after Lukaku unless he came into the Summer demanding to leave.

You are not wrong to say it is haphazard. Without the executive board in place that Clearlake wants I always expected it to be like this somewhat. Missing on targets doesn’t upset me too much. But driving off players in areas we are already thin … is a bad look.


Now, that said, if we end up finishing with Fofana, keeping Chalobah, Gordon , auba, slonina, Carney, Cesare, Hutchinson, Cucurella, Sterling, Koulibaliy, and Leao?

Well, then all speculation forgiven, and good job holding a window together to the structure can be fully put in place. But there’s a lot of business to get done for that yo happen.

In worst case? Gordon is their lone attacking addition. We fail to sign Fofana. Chalobah still leaves. We make a last minute panic bid for a CB we don’t really want. Things could go REALLY bad.

It’s all still to see though. If they really demand Broja or Gallagher on loan for the deal to happen, then I’m not sure Gordon will be our issue to worry about anyway.

 

[mitchmouse]

I hadn't even noticed this guy existed until the Chelsea link appeared...

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Chelsea won't make top 4.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Dembele to Gordon is hilarious

 

[The Purley King]

For Chelsea fans on here….. why doesn’t broja get a look in?
He looks to me like he has the right stuff to be an excellent player.

 

[Rnd898]

For Chelsea fans on here….. why doesn’t broja get a look in?
He looks to me like he has the right stuff to be an excellent player.

He was injured for all of pre-season so was always going to play catch up for match fitness once the season started. And just so happens he picked up another knock in training prior to the Leeds game and is still out because of it.

However the rumors of him leaving, if only on loan, just refuse to die down so I don't think Tuchel is fully convinced by him. Personally I would like to see him at least being given a chance.

 

[RVN1991]

The wing version of that Longstaff lad Newcastle wanted to fleece us for a few years ago.

 

[weetee]

I’m not sure defending it is accurate. I’m trying to guess at the rationale. My assumption is that he is cover for two positions, and while I wouldn’t go that direction to do it, it at least could be explainable.

Why they wouldn’t turn to one of the younger talents they purchased already for that cover? No idea.

If they are going after him as an attacker to replace missing Leao, and doing so instead of Neto …. I can’t explain that.


And if they get signing across and miss on Fofana AND let Chalobah go … Tuchel should stop getting input in the squad make up until we have Edwards or another Football director in place.

And Werner should never have been the first attacking name out the door after Lukaku unless he came into the Summer demanding to leave.

You are not wrong to say it is haphazard. Without the executive board in place that Clearlake wants I always expected it to be like this somewhat. Missing on targets doesn’t upset me too much. But driving off players in areas we are already thin … is a bad look.


Now, that said, if we end up finishing with Fofana, keeping Chalobah, Gordon , auba, slonina, Carney, Cesare, Hutchinson, Cucurella, Sterling, Koulibaliy, and Leao?

Well, then all speculation forgiven, and good job holding a window together to the structure can be fully put in place. But there’s a lot of business to get done for that yo happen.

In worst case? Gordon is their lone attacking addition. We fail to sign Fofana. Chalobah still leaves. We make a last minute panic bid for a CB we don’t really want. Things could go REALLY bad.

It’s all still to see though. If they really demand Broja or Gallagher on loan for the deal to happen, then I’m not sure Gordon will be our issue to worry about anyway.

Trev won‘t be leaving before we have a replacement - that‘s impossible to imagine imho. He won‘t be happy though, that‘s for sure.

My interpretation, but that‘s super vague since I don‘t know Gordon, is that we want a ‚workhorse‘ on the right who is enabling James to go full out attack. That player should be pacey, disciplined and willing to track back a lot. I guess that was eventually a reason why Raphinha turned us down - too bad that transfer didn’t happen.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Folk are having a go at us for the price we are about to pay for Antony but this one certainly takes it way beyond utter insanity.

 

[Devil_forever]

Folk are having a go at us for the price we are about to pay for Antony but this one certainly takes it way beyond utter insanity.

One is going for £50m (rising to 60m with hard to achieve add-ons), other for £80m. The former is young, English and has premier league experience already whilst the latter is coming from a league where attackers don't even go for half the price we're insane enough to spend on him. I don't see how we come out looking better in this or even close to sane.

 

[Skills]

Sometimes it really makes you think whether clubs really know what they're doing.

Funnily enough, with the number of ex pros that are usually involved in the running of football clubs you hardly expect it to be an ensemble of great brains. I can imagine the clever guys who do come and work from academic backgrounds must think they're usually talking to apes who run of pure emotion and feel.

Watch him be a star now...

 

[tomaldinho1]

Who is running Chelsea’s transfer dealings?

I can’t see Tuchel thinking ‘I want to compete for the league, let’s go spent £60 on Gordon’ it’s bizarre.

 

[Enigma_87]

One is going for £50m (rising to 60m with hard to achieve add-ons), other for £80m. The former is young, English and has premier league experience already whilst the latter is coming from a league where attackers don't even go for half the price we're insane enough to spend on him. I don't see how we come out looking better in this or even close to sane.

He has a PL experience playing 52 games so far scoring 4 goals and couldn't even score in his Preston stint in the Championship. He has a good work rate, runs a lot and so far has proven to be a terrible finisher and nothing special in terms of talent/creative force.

Marc Guehi has a similar output is undoubtedly a bigger talent and has scored 4 goals just last season alone. Was brought in for 18m pounds just last year. Also plays as CB...

 

[AjaxCunian]

He has a PL experience playing 52 games so far scoring 4 goals and couldn't even score in his Preston stint in the Championship. He has a good work rate, runs a lot and so far has proven to be a terrible finisher and nothing special in terms of talent/creative force.

Marc Guehi has a similar output is undoubtedly a bigger talent and has scored 4 goals just last season alone. Was brought in for 18m pounds just last year. Also plays as CB...

Such a laughable post that was. Antony is just a year older, a Brazil international and just about starter, has CL experience and done well there.

Gordon has been below average in all his wonderful PL experience. Maybe the poster was having a laugh and we fell for it..

 

[Red the Bear]

Headless chicken might be an apt descriptor of him if you're feeling malignant.

He has no future.

 

[NoPace]

Personally I think our best lineup would be:

—————————Pickford——————————
———-—Mina——-Coady———Tark—————
Patterson——Onana——DM———Mykolenko
———————————Iwobi——————————
—————————DCL——CF/ST———————

Id happily let Gordon go to bring in two new players on perms (DM and ST) and a ST on loan.

@FootballHQ

I think this team would really, really struggle to create goals.

If you get a decent LCB who can pass and shift Tarkowski right and start Iwobi at CM with Onana coming off the bench (he looks raw) and a genuine creator or just another wide type and set up like Chelsea (with Gray, McNeil and this new attacking player fighting for 2 spots) I think you could stay up.

I really haven’t seen anything of Mykolenko to suggest he can really contribute enough in attack to play 5 at the back. I know Coady suggests 5 and Patterson is clever at linking up for a young wingback but I’m not sure there’s enough creativity here to get the goals needed. I guess with the right partner for DCL you could play direct, but he’d have to be a serious goal scorer or a really talented creator and decent goal scorer.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Tuchels attempts at rebuilding Chelsea's attacks comes across as a but misjudged. Sterling is very good but after Lukaku they clearly need a focal point not some decent winger from Everton.

 

[hobbers]

No doubt will walk the path of Rodwell and Barkley before him and thoroughly fail to kick on at all.

 

[SilentWitness]

I think this team would really, really struggle to create goals.

If you get a decent LCB who can pass and shift Tarkowski right and start Iwobi at CM with Onana coming off the bench (he looks raw) and a genuine creator or just another wide type and set up like Chelsea (with Gray, McNeil and this new attacking player fighting for 2 spots) I think you could stay up.

I really haven’t seen anything of Mykolenko to suggest he can really contribute enough in attack to play 5 at the back. I know Coady suggests 5 and Patterson is clever at linking up for a young wingback but I’m not sure there’s enough creativity here to get the goals needed. I guess with the right partner for DCL you could play direct, but he’d have to be a serious goal scorer or a really talented creator and decent goal scorer.

We will see.

 

[Bestie07]

Maybe they see him as a wingback? There have been reports about James eventually moving centrally.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Headless chicken might be an apt descriptor of him if you're feeling malignant.

He has no future.

Didn't realise he was dying. Poor fellow.

 

[Boondog]

When I watch Gordon it looks like his biggest issue is finishing. He is quite good on the ball. I imagine he would be better on day one playing with Silva but he might end up on the bench with Chelsea if he doesn't produce. Would sort of be fitting.

 

[Bluelion7]

Tuchels attempts at rebuilding Chelsea's attacks comes across as a but misjudged. Sterling is very good but after Lukaku they clearly need a focal point not some decent winger from Everton.

We’ll, they want Leao and Nkunku. That is the plan. We are even meeting with them and their agents to discuss personal terms for next year.

Aubamayang you hope gives you one to two seasons of quality in conversions.

Gordon is interesting because he could develop into a player that gives you a lot of tactical flexibility. Need to pull out the James at RCB formation? Much better RWB option than RLC.

James gets hurt? You at least have some alternative.

You want to counter a better offensive team, say a Madrid with Vin jr? Gordon up front and James at RWB gives you a tough right side to break down that can nick a goal or two.

He can also play either side. Next year you sign Leao and Nkunku? Say Sterling is injured and Gordon has been developing well. You can play Gordon on the LW and Leao can stay in the right.

Idk, this signing doesn’t light me up per se. But the more I read from players that really think highly of him, and the more I look at it, the more intrigued I am. Conte loves the kid apparently.

Gordon has also never played for a side dominant in possession. Apparently he had the third best dribble completion percentage in the Prem last year. His technique looks really good. His crossing numbers aren’t good, until you look at the stat that measure whether the ball was put in the right spot. I mean, James crossing conversion stats aren’t good either…. Because we can’t finish. How much worse Everton last year?

If we are comparing potential signings now …

Antony is certainly the more dazzling figure at first glance. But he had 8 goals 4 assists last year in the Eredivisie, on the best team.

I went on soccernent to look at pure analytics and their numbers for last year on offense were surprisingly similar in almost all areas. Given the Dutch league track record in the Prem, and the fact his play was nowhere near Ziyech’s at Ajax, that 80 to 90 m is nowhere near a sure thing. Especially since you will ONLY get offense from him. And he has to play on the right side. He is one of the most one footed players on Earth (again reminiscent of Ziyech).

Gordon earned those numbers playing for a relegation battling side in the Premiere league, facing superior competition each week.

Where Gordon is lauded by coaches and seasoned players alike for his mental strength, his drive, and heart …. Antony… not so much.

So people can laugh if they want to, but I am very curious to see what the kid can do in a ball dominant side like Chelsea. His flexibility could be key to handling the record fixture congestion this year.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

One is going for £50m (rising to 60m with hard to achieve add-ons), other for £80m. The former is young, English and has premier league experience already whilst the latter is coming from a league where attackers don't even go for half the price we're insane enough to spend on him. I don't see how we come out looking better in this or even close to sane.

Both players are young. Gordon is only a year younger - not much or hardly any difference in age. He’s English but not sure what nationality the player is has to do with it? Antony is already a Brazilian international. Gordon only became a regular starter at Everton last season. He was in the championship the season before which I’d say is a weaker league than the Eredivisie and wasn’t exactly tearing it up in there. Antony has played in the champions league and done well bar the Benfica game but the whole team just never turned up. Knows who our manager is and what he expects in terms of how he wants the team to play & he really thrived under his tutelage. If we are to compare their stats from the last 2 seasons (as that’s when Gordon on really started playing regular first team football whereas Antony was already a regular 1st team player):

Gordon:

20/21 Everton - 3 appearances (0 goals, 0 assists)
20/21 Preston (loan) - 11 appearances (0 goals, 0 assists)
21/22 Everton - 35 appearances (4 goals, 2 assists)

Antony:

20/21 Ajax - 32 appearances (9 goals, 8 assists)
21/22 Ajax - 23 appearances (8 goals, 4 assists)

 

[Devil_forever]

Both players are young. Gordon is only a year younger - not much or hardly any difference in age. He’s English but not sure what nationality the player is has to do with it? Antony is already a Brazilian international. Gordon only became a regular starter at Everton last season. He was in the championship the season before which I’d say is a weaker league than the Eredivisie and wasn’t exactly tearing it up in there. Antony has played in the champions league and done well bar the Benfica game but the whole team just never turned up. Knows who our manager is and what he expects in terms of how he wants the team to play & he really thrived under his tutelage. If we are to compare their stats from the last 2 seasons (as that’s when Gordon on really started playing regular first team football whereas Antony was already a regular 1st team player):

Gordon:

20/21 Everton - 3 appearances (0 goals, 0 assists)
20/21 Preston (loan) - 11 appearances (0 goals, 0 assists)
21/22 Everton - 35 appearances (4 goals, 2 assists)

Antony:

20/21 Ajax - 32 appearances (9 goals, 8 assists)
21/22 Ajax - 23 appearances (8 goals, 4 assists)

It’s well known that English players go for a premium? That’s how Maguire ended up as the most expensive defender ever? Also Antony is older than Gordon.

 

[Member 105568]

Who is running Chelsea’s transfer dealings?

I can’t see Tuchel thinking ‘I want to compete for the league, let’s go spent £60 on Gordon’ it’s bizarre.

Tuchel seems to go a bit nuts whenever a transfer window opens:

No budget at Mainz and makes his name for improving players.

Gets the Dortmund job, but falls out with them pretty much every summer, and lost his job over demanding Oliver Torres (who turned out to be shite). At PSG, he complained about superstars (fair enough) but on the other hand he wanted Kehrer, Diallo, Choupo-Moting (who were all always shite).

At Chelsea, he isn’t allowed to do transfers when he arrives, so concentrates on coaching and wins the CL. Transfers are back on and he goes in for Lukaku, Koulibaly, Gordon, Aubameyang, while letting a lot of good young players go elsewhere. Different positions, but I don’t think Gordon is as talented as Livramento, Guehi, Gallagher, Broja (regardless of whether they’re good enough for Chelsea).

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

It’s well known that English players go for a premium? That’s how Maguire ended up as the most expensive defender ever? Also Antony is older than Gordon.

Todays market prices are inflated. You are not going to sign good young players always on the cheap unless you strike a gem from somewhere. I didn’t and many of us didn’t want us to sign Maguire particularly for that amount back then. Leicester didn’t want to sell him nor did they need too hence why they put the price up so high. It was typical English media back then too by over hyping their players coming off the back off a brilliant World Cup by their standards.

Antony is only older by one year which is a silly comparison. It’s not like he is 5+ years older.

 

[Pickle85]

I've only seen him play a few times, but every time I have he's looked utterly unremarkable. Lots of energy and effort but not a huge amount else. They're getting rinsed here.

 

[Lynty]

They've been trying to poaching our transfers all window. Someone cocked up and bid for the wrong Antony - now they're in too deep to pull out.

Only explanation.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

We’ll, they want Leao and Nkunku. That is the plan. We are even meeting with them and their agents to discuss personal terms for next year.

Aubamayang you hope gives you one to two seasons of quality in conversions.

Gordon is interesting because he could develop into a player that gives you a lot of tactical flexibility. Need to pull out the James at RCB formation? Much better RWB option than RLC.

James gets hurt? You at least have some alternative.

You want to counter a better offensive team, say a Madrid with Vin jr? Gordon up front and James at RWB gives you a tough right side to break down that can nick a goal or two.

He can also play either side. Next year you sign Leao and Nkunku? Say Sterling is injured and Gordon has been developing well. You can play Gordon on the LW and Leao can stay in the right.

Idk, this signing doesn’t light me up per se. But the more I read from players that really think highly of him, and the more I look at it, the more intrigued I am. Conte loves the kid apparently.

Gordon has also never played for a side dominant in possession. Apparently he had the third best dribble completion percentage in the Prem last year. His technique looks really good. His crossing numbers aren’t good, until you look at the stat that measure whether the ball was put in the right spot. I mean, James crossing conversion stats aren’t good either…. Because we can’t finish. How much worse Everton last year?

If we are comparing potential signings now …

Antony is certainly the more dazzling figure at first glance. But he had 8 goals 4 assists last year in the Eredivisie, on the best team.

I went on soccernent to look at pure analytics and their numbers for last year on offense were surprisingly similar in almost all areas. Given the Dutch league track record in the Prem, and the fact his play was nowhere near Ziyech’s at Ajax, that 80 to 90 m is nowhere near a sure thing. Especially since you will ONLY get offense from him. And he has to play on the right side. He is one of the most one footed players on Earth (again reminiscent of Ziyech).

Gordon earned those numbers playing for a relegation battling side in the Premiere league, facing superior competition each week.

Where Gordon is lauded by coaches and seasoned players alike for his mental strength, his drive, and heart …. Antony… not so much.

So people can laugh if they want to, but I am very curious to see what the kid can do in a ball dominant side like Chelsea. His flexibility could be key to handling the record fixture congestion this year.

You make good points but it all sounds very Dan James tbh, poor attackers championed as tactical weapons because they work hard

 

[::sonny::]

 

[leeroy221]

What's happening with Gallagher? Pretty decent player I think from what I have seen but, different type of player?

 

[jeff gurr]

I've only seen him play a few times, but every time I have he's looked utterly unremarkable. Lots of energy and effort but not a huge amount else. They're getting rinsed here.

It seems that they are rinsing themselves .. They have a major hard on for the lad & Everton really can't turn down that kind of money.
Another player goes to the elephant graveyard.

 

[DevilRed]

Should just sign Dan James. Would be cheaper.

 

[SilentWitness]

Lampard has said in his press conference that there has been no 60m bid. I reckon Chelsea are testing our nerve. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a last minute 60m+ bid on deadline day or just before.

 

[Robbie Boy]

They would have been better picking up J Lingz on a free.

 

[Rajiztar]

Lampard has said in his press conference that there has been no 60m bid. I reckon Chelsea are testing our nerve. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a last minute 60m+ bid on deadline day or just before.

What's your board s feelings about it? Do you want to keep Gordon or get money and bring in two or three new players before window closed.

 

[SilentWitness]

What's your board s feelings about it? Do you want to keep Gordon or get money and bring in two or three new players before window closed.

The overwhelming majority of Everton fans would rather sell Gordon (If 60m rumour is true) and get in two or three players.

It is understood that he is a home grown talent and everyone wants to keep them in an ideal world but we are also realistic and understand we aren’t in an ideal world. We are going to be floating near relegation and sadly Gordon is one of the only sellable assets we have and since he is HG he will be pure profit for FFP purposes. This gives us far more autonomy in the window. Additionally this isn’t a player who is currently adding to the team with goals and assists which are what keep teams in the league. Yes, work rate does too but goals are of the most importance in football and sadly he doesn’t provide that to the team as much as he needs to or we need him to. If selling him means we get two or three players that currently can come in and immediately add to the side with goals and assists it is a no brainer decision. Our precarious position means we can’t afford to be sentimental with HG talents. It’s not like he’s on a Rooney type level of talent either. He’s the type of talent that crops up quite regularly within PL clubs and though that’s a shame it’s far more important to secure the future of the club which we have a better chance of doing by selling Gordon.