His height isn't a problem for me (he isn't playing at centre back) but he does look like he could bulk up a little.
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If anything, history suggests it’s probably the opposite.
Pep’s Barcelona looked like a bunch of kids playing football in fast-forward, guided by their dad Gerard Pique. That didn’t stop them being the best team we ever saw.
Messi didn’t do that bad either. Btw, Maradona is probably 10cm shorter than Gomes.
If the club ever saw a problem with his height they'd have released him a long time ago, it's a fairly common thing with young footballers.
The fact that he's here and getting senior minutes shows his physicality isn't an issue.
The fact that he's here and getting senior minutes shows his physicality isn't an issue.
Exactly this.
If he is getting minutes in the league (looking robust enough), he is being given this chance by people far more knowledgeable than any of us.
Technically really good which you can't get from regular visits to the gym......
Exactly. But you know he’ll struggle against mighty PL defenders apparently
You would think that this myth should have been binned by now.
After the likes of Kante, Torreira, Scholes, Sanchez, Hazard, Modric have all bossed the PL.
Like Groundhog Day in here at times.
Correct me if i'm wrong. But pretty sure Gomes was coming back from injury which is why he struggled to get into the England setup no?
Not fully fit, he was one of the better players in U17 until he gets injured and Foden takes his place in U17 final.
Height looks fine. It's his limb proportions that give the illusion that he's even shorter than he already is
Nonsense talk, saying he is too small. Most of the best players in the world were small.
I think it's fair to say you have to be exceptional to be a small player who makes it at a top side. Fortunately Gomes is talented enough to have a chance.
Even looking at the current PL teams, most of the Liverpool and City attackers are around the 5'7" mark - even if Gomes only reaches 5'5" it's not that big a deal if we don't play vertical football.
Gomez is probably a bit too small in the lower body. I'm sure he's working with his coaches to make sure he gets stronger as he gets older. Height and size are not the same thing, height is only essential for central defenders and goalkeepers so I don't think that's an issue.
Does it matter if a player is 5’3, 5’5 or 5’6? I think the fact that you have players like Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta, Maradona and Messi proves that you can be small, and not just good, but great! You could argue that their is a law of diminishing return, and that each cm/inch these players had on Angel gave them the edge they needed to compete. But it could also be the other way around; that the competitive advantage the other players on the field achieve by being bigger is diminshing. It sounds more probable in my opinion. A player like Messi or Iniesta will not take on a player like Zlatan in a manner that would let him use his size to his advantage.
I agree that there have been few great players as small as Gomes, but I do think you could explain it through probability. Less than 2 percent of grown men are as small as Gomes. Initially that would imply that 2 percent of all professional footballers should be his size.
But in at least four out of elleven positions (goalkeeper, central defenders and strikers) you cant be that small. You could probably also argue that being a full back would be difficult for a player that small. That could imply, all else equal and height irrelevant in all other positions, that less than 1 % of footballers should be expected to be that small.
Furthermore, small footballers do obviously have a disadvantage in more positions and roles than taller ones. While a footballer at average height with limited ability could be a limited «utility»-player (given brains and effort) used ad-hoc and tall players could be used in a system for their aerial threath, small players need to be that talented magician. Often the player running things at the centre of the park. And that could explain why there is so few small players.
To be that player you have to be;
A) Immensly talented on the ball
B) Have great range of passing
C) Very quick reading and understanding of the game
D) Play in an attacking team that are able to understand and value these qualities
Regarding D), do you think it is by chance that the clubs that produced Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Scholes are Barcelona and Man Utd? Football clubs that are proud to have a history of attacking football?
Regarding A-C it is a very rare mix and usually there are not more than one of these players in each team. And I’m not saying that you would have to be small to have these qualities. Players like Zidane, Cantona and maybe even Pogba where not. But I do believe that it is almost the only chance a small player have at the highest level. And that again imply that I would expect there to be as little as 0,1-0,5 percent of players below 5’4 playing at the top level.
However, I do not believe Scholes, Verratti or Iniesta would have been any better if they had a few more inches. And I do not believe they would be any worse of if they were a bit shorter. That is why I also believe that Angel will make it if he is talented enough and works hard enough!
Zola worth a mention too.
Not sure he deserves to be in such exalted company quite yet...
Lots of yer da type analysis in here. He'll be fine.
His head is massive.
Cerebral.
Height used to be an issue when teams played long ball, but now it’s getting more continental height isn’t so important.
It’s nowhere near as physical as it used to be.
It’s nowhere near as physical as it used to be.
He's only half an inch smaller than Valbuena who had a decent career, plus he has bags of talent. I don't care for his height, and judging by pictures he doesn't look weak at all, very average weight by the look of it for a footballer. As long as he can produce the goods let him play. Besides, its not unusual to see smaller than average players in their respective positions, Cannavaro was 5'9 and a centreback.
He's smaller than even Valbuena?
Pretty sure Valbuena is 5'4.He's smaller than even Valbuena?
Rashford grew 5 cm since he first broke into the first team, he is now 185 cm.
Gomes has good 3 or 4 cm left to grow. That's good enough.
Gomes has good 3 or 4 cm left to grow. That's good enough.
I do wonder what the plan is for Gomes. Going as far back to the 5 a side tournament, Gomes played as a keeper. So he was the furthest back. In combination with Butt playing him deep in the uefa youth league, it's quite clear that he was being prepared to play furthest back so he's comfortable with the pressure that comes along with someone who is almost the last line of defense.
On the other hand, he still plays as a 10 under Sbragia. And with Ole, he played as an attacker.
On the other hand, he still plays as a 10 under Sbragia. And with Ole, he played as an attacker.
Man Utd starlet's loan blocked by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as he's set for first-team
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-starlets-loan-blocked-13812081
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-starlets-loan-blocked-13812081
There's no way Gomes is smaller than Fraser from Bournemouth of Pritchard at Huddersfield surely.
I think a lot of these stats websites have old measurements recorded.
I think a lot of these stats websites have old measurements recorded.
Good. He most likely would have got a championship loan and clubs at the top battling for promotion wouldn't have taken a risk on Gomes. Clubs at the bottom wouldn't either and most likely don't play football that suits Gomes' style. Really don't know why there's such a push to loan out all your talents these days.
Loaning is just a such a risky thing and it hardly ever reaps rewards. The best system would be for clubs to have smaller feeder clubs, perhaps linked geographically, to give these players to and let them get competitive football in a familiar environment (similar players, play style etc).
Would love to see him get a chance in the lingard position.
I would like to see Gomes get a chance in Herrera's position. After seeing Verratti, I think Gomes is our best chance at getting that type of midfielder.
Can someone tell me once and for all if he is actually Nani's cousin - as in their parents are actually siblings - or if it's just one of those online misunderstandings that got out of control. I had the impression it was the latter, but Sky state it as a fact in their Gomes-Chong-Garner intro article, published today.
He isn't
Cheers. I guess since political journalists barely fact-check any more, it's optimistic to expect sports hacks to do it at all.
He's actually his godfather. Nani and his dad are good friends.
This is a quote from an article back when he made his debut under jose
"Nani is my godfather. He's been amazing to me and gives me lots of advice. I am just lucky to have someone like that in my life. When I was younger, he used to be my idol. I used to watch him and even practice his backflips on the trampoline.
"I know I can't do that now!"
I think it's to do with some cultures calling their parents best friends uncles and aunties, I have an auntie whi isn't really my auntie, just my mothers best friend growing up.
Also my girlfriend is Chinese, and she has about a billion aunties, uncles, cousins and nephews etc, this past Christmas was absolute hell trying to remember who was an actual relative compared to associated relative.
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