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Hope so. He has to eat more.
0.58 and 1.11 seems strong enough to me. Not really concerned about his size if he's good enough!
Confident without being selfish or careless. That's a good start.
Rashford could learn from him
Odd how several top class managers have the wrong opinion and you know better?
Messi is small too, jeeez
You may well be right but it's too early to say for sure. His long term position is CM. Players like Scholes, Verrati, Modric and Zavi have shown you don't have to be fast or powerful to make it in that position if you have to intelligence, vision, passing and energy. Time will tell if he has those qualities.
He's not really similar to those players. He's more made for CM
I want a Pereira-Garner-Gomes midfield in that game, could be a hint of things to come
I think the concerns about him physically are valid. Usually if you are not that physically imposing you have to make up for it even more with outstanding technical ability. He does have a lot of natural ability but it's a question of if it will be enough to cover for him physically.
An example could be Sterling in terms of size, but Gomes is even smaller, Sterling is rapid and is actually quite strong on the ball. Time will tell I guess.
An example could be Sterling in terms of size, but Gomes is even smaller, Sterling is rapid and is actually quite strong on the ball. Time will tell I guess.
That's it really. Those who say his size isn't an issue are talking shite. It's a disadvantage but it can be overcome if he's a good enough player.
I'd argue that Sterling isn't the best comparison though since Angel isn't a winger and therefore won't need to rely on pace as much.
Yeah but in terms of a player playing at a top team, you are not really going to find someone the size of Gomes. Sterling is the closest I can think of right now.
Sammy Lee was 1.57 and played for Liverpool from 1976 to 1986. I'm not saying you're wrong that it would take someone special to be a very good player at that size, but I think he's that talented. I don't think size is going to stand in the way of his technique, long passing and short passing play. And he's pretty quick for a central player
Xavi and Verratti managed it as CMs at the highest level.
Youre right though really. Angel is currently the smallest PL player.
We could play him next to Phillip Billing for a comedy largest and smallest CM pairing
Xavi and Verratti managed it as CMs at the highest level.
Edit: Toreira at Arsenal is tiny. I'm not including Kante in this because he's a superb athlete.
Youre right though really. Angel is currently the smallest PL player.
Edit: Toreira at Arsenal is tiny. I'm not including Kante in this because he's a superb athlete.
Youre right though really. Angel is currently the smallest PL player.
Someone like Torreira is very physical though. Obviously players like Xavi and Verratti have outstanding ability as well.
Yep. Exactly. He will need to be very very good to make it. I like him but I'm not sure if he's at that type of level. If he was big and strong his technical ability would be more than enough.
Time will tell
Torreira and Verrati are the only comparisons (both about 165cm). He could learn a lot from the way Verrati plays though.
Xavi has about 10cm on him (around 170).
That’s exactly my point, when we talk about players that small we refer to some of the greatest ever. You need to be that special to overcome the physical side.
Gomes is smaller and skinier than any of those, not to mention that Modric is bulky. I think the only one similar would be Verratti and even him is taller than Gomes. (1.65 vs 1.61)
The good side is that he has made it up to this level as a promising prospect, so he must have something in him that the coaches see.
Like I said before only time will tell...
If he is stronger than Lingard then that is a good step for a 18 year old. Saw him brush off a couple of physical Huddersfield players, good enough start for me.
Agreed.
This thread has been quite sensible today. The last time I mentioned his size as a disadvantage I got pages of response from people saying it was actually an advantage cos Hazard, Messi etc.
Wouldn't size be a bigger factor in youth football rather than the first team?
Maybe in 98 he wouldn't have made it here but its not as if it's a physical game anymore but it still is down the youth sides.
If a small 15 year old is holding his own in the u19, who are trying to kick him off the pitch, then surely he adapt to first team football?
Maybe in 98 he wouldn't have made it here but its not as if it's a physical game anymore but it still is down the youth sides.
If a small 15 year old is holding his own in the u19, who are trying to kick him off the pitch, then surely he adapt to first team football?
Got you mate, I had the same hahaha. Lots of responses but without them where’s the fun in debatingAgreed.
This thread has been quite sensible today. The last time I mentioned his size as a disadvantage I got pages of response from people saying it was actually an advantage cos Hazard, Messi etc.
To be able to compensate for him having such a small frame he needs to have unbelievable skills. I'm not sure he has those. He'll just get bulldozered in the PL otherwise.
You think youth football is more physical than premier league football? Regardless, all the players at senior level are stronger.
I can't see how its much different for an undersized kid playing against teenagers 3 years older than he is compared to what he's facing now.
If he can cope with that then why can't he adapt to first team football? Some of the most physical Utd games I've seen this year have been the reserves / u19.
Ref don't seem to protect the skillful players at those levels while someone like Hazard has made getting touched in the back for a free an art form.
Gomes has cone around at the perfect time to have a career. Its not like it's not going to get less physical over the next decade.
He seemed to cope fine yesterday.
And he's still growing.
Males usually grow in height till they're about 20/21. I have no concerns about him in the future, only that his game time might be limited now.
And he's still growing.
Males usually grow in height till they're about 20/21. I have no concerns about him in the future, only that his game time might be limited now.
I've also been told that he's been playing well beyond his age group since he was like 10.
Former Juventus, Monaco and Porto player Ruis Barros was same height 5'3. Here is a list of smallest players everhttps://m.sportskeeda.com/football/top-10-shortest-players-in-football
Reserves football is miles dirtier and he takes a far bigger kicking there than he ever will in the first team. He's up against 20 year olds and often times first team players returning from injury. They are physically grown men and players at senior level aren't stronger at all. Reserves is played at a far lower pace and ranges in intensity from friendly to an all out brawl. But the players for the most part are just as physical.
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You guys are making too big a deal about his size. I get it, but if he's a CM I don't think it's something that you need to worry about. Paul Scholes wasn't great due to his size or physical ability. He was great for everything outside of that. What part of this video makes you think his size was important?
So not sure why you would question Gomes if we're talking skill. In the last 10-15 years, who had more ability on the ball than Gomes apart from Ravel and Pogba?
So not sure why you would question Gomes if we're talking skill. In the last 10-15 years, who had more ability on the ball than Gomes apart from Ravel and Pogba?
Some sources (including a reliable transfermarkt) have him at 168 cm, others like Wiki at 161 cm. Which one is right?
Also at 18 he will still grow an inch or two.
Also at 18 he will still grow an inch or two.
Rashford could learn from him
can't pretend I haven't thought the same myself! But Rashford in the last couple of games has reminded me how much raw talent he has, and the big thing for me is he really has added a few strings to his bow since his debut...he just needs a lot of fine tuning!I would love it. He has very impressive technical ability and I'm sure he's made the best out of his frame so far.
For everyone bringing up short players that have gone on to become world class or are even currently world class - you have to understand that Gomes is still SIGNIFICANTLY shorter to every single quality player mentioned in here.
CM would be the obvious choice for him down the road, even though he's still shorter than Scholes, Xavi, Verrati. However, I can't see him getting a CM position here in the near future and his best bet would be a wing role like he came on for against Huddersfield. He's a good option to trouble a tired back 4 from 70th minute onwards as it is right now
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