Why on earth would Man United fans be any different from fans of any other club? Its absurd to think they are or would be. The only difference is circumstances.
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We're all a product of our circumstances, though, and I think there are definite differences between fans of different clubs when it comes to stuff like patience with a new manager/player or how quickly they get frustrated in adversity.
Was watching the Arsenal game the other night and struck me that I can't think of any other club with such an uneasy home atmosphere. As soon as their team starts coming under any sort of pressure (or playing badly) the discontent is tangible, with gasps and groans at every misplaced pass. All the more obvious because of the general air of silence. I do think that's a uniquely Arsenal thing.
In a ideal world I think he wanted to stay at Madrid and get paid what he thought he deserved. I thought his issues started because (a) they weren't going to pay him better money, and (b) he felt undervalued/forced out.
The footballing side of things were fine and he had friends there etc. Even the manager valued him.
On the face of it Kroos to Madrid was a similar deal. But then Kroos probably didn't feel as if he was taking a step down, which Di Maria surely did. It's a bit like Ozil's move. Then you factor in that the club he preferred didn't come in for him.
Not saying that he hates Manchester and is itching to leave, but he could definitely be feeling disillusioned with how this has all panned out.
Same goes for van Persie. People always rubbish the 'body language experts', but we're looking at things from a human being point of view. A good number of people would be disillusioned with these circumstances, and footballers are no different.
Right - but when the circumstances change, so will fan behaviour. i.e. we've been shit for the last 18 months at best, rudderless, without the skipper who steered us for 27 years, without CL football this season, risking the same next season... to find it surprising that people are being negative because we're Man United fans and a cut above everyone else is completely delusional. Give it more time like this and we'll end up like the Scousers - that is the closest comparable for sure as they have been through what we're going through now. Football fans are football fans, as you say the product of the circumstances of their team, but given our circumstances have changed, expecting anything different from this kind of pessimistic hysteria was daft.
Youre right about Arsenal, theyre a bunch of chokers and have been for years so its hardly surprising the fans worry.
I remember reading lots of posts back then on how United fans are different, more "cultured" and a lot of that nonsense, I don't subscribe to BS like that anyway, though its easier to claim such a moral high ground when the going is good, that's what am saying.
Exactly right.
I agree a lot of people thought that and it was always nonsense and completely laughable. I always wondered whether anyone actually believed it deep down. Could people be that deluded?
Herrera basically conforming here that LVG is trying to change Di Maria's game..
That would go some way to explaining why his performances have regressed as the season has gone on. Ridiculous to buy a player for £60 mil then try and change them as a player, why buy them in the first place if they don't play how you want?
That would go some way to explaining why his performances have regressed as the season has gone on. Ridiculous to buy a player for £60 mil then try and change them as a player, why buy them in the first place if they don't play how you want?
Yea, that was the thing that stuck out for me when reading that interview. Really bizarre.
Just another in our long list of ridiculous transfers I guess.
We do have an almost unparalleled habit of buying players (regardless of talent level) that are completely the wrong type to what we actually need. Our transfer record in the post Ronaldo era is absolutely appalling.
He's not trying to change him, he's just saying that at Madrid, as soon as he got the ball he could attack any space immediately whereas at United we play a possession game and the opposition will sit back against that so he has to wait for the ball to be moved about a bit to create that space.
Its not changing him as a player, it's just saying that he has to adjust the timings of his attacks to suit the team/league.
Aren't there teams in Spain that also try to park the bus against Madrid? It shouldn't be anything new since all lower teams do that in all leagues and I'm sure Di Maria had his own tricks to unlock bus-parking defenses (doh!). FFS, just let him play, Louis.
I couldn't put it better then this.
Finding myself agreeing with a lot of what you have said lately and this is no different. We spend big money on players that just don't fit. Our lack of cohesion and chemistry is one of our biggest problems. Why sign Di Maria only to change him into a different sort of player? It's just strange.
Well someone has to I guess
But yeah, its a massive shame to see players like Di Maria and Mata, who most of us would have loved at United, actually signed for huge money, then just kind of wasted (for want of a better phrase). Add them to players like Berbatov, Kagawa, Fellaini, Herrera etc etc who just don't seem to fit and it seems like our transfer strategy is massively flawed.
Well someone has to I guess
But yeah, its a massive shame to see players like Di Maria and Mata, who most of us would have loved at United, actually signed for huge money, then just kind of wasted (for want of a better phrase). Add them to players like Berbatov, Kagawa, Fellaini, Herrera etc etc who just don't seem to fit and it seems like our transfer strategy is massively flawed.
Last time I checked, Di Maria and Herrera were not "wasted". There's too much moaning these days. You bring in a new manager, and he has to implement a certain style of play, that is not changing the player or wasting them. Professional players should be able to adapt to such minor tweaks. Di Maria was a pure left winger, only last season CA used him in LCM and after a difficult period, he adapted to the role. Herrera you're talking about also admits in that interview that Biesla and Valverde used him in various positions. You don't just get good players in and tell them to go do what pleases them, you create a platform for them, they adapt and give you results. That's not to say our transfer strategy has been stellar but you're mentioning players like Berbatov and Kagawa, how did we waste these two, Kagawa was just out of his depth here, Berbatov was fine when he played, what are you talking about?
At home against a team like Sunderland, he really should be taking the game to them and putting in a dominant display.
Man Utd 2:0 Sunderland
Woeful first half so far. How many times has he given the ball away. Looks a shadow of the player he was at Madrid.
If he doesn't play like a World Class player next season, we need to sell him, he gets a pass for this season - we can't afford to have a player like this in our team next season ...who is meant to be the best player in the team but produces average performances week in week out and gives the ball away
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Has done nothing in months to warrant his fee, he can't even cross a ball. You can argue about he's not in his natural position if you want but a player we considered worth £60m should be able to play any attacking position.
He's so bad.
Think he'd be this bad if he'd stayed at Madrid?
Ship him off to PSG and hope we can get £40 million for him.
Rubbish arguments. Because United paid a lot of money more him he should suddenly be able to play anywhere?
The worst waste of money ever. I don't want him playing here anymore, pathetic attitude.
decision making level kindergarten, shocking, it should have been 1:0 Young
I don’t think I have ever seen such a terrible half from him when he was at Real Madrid. He was inconsistent, poor touch, lost the ball a number of times- that happened a lot, but I’ve never seen him play with such low intensity. This possession game doesn’t suit him but he doesn’t look interested at times.
He played RW for years for Madrid, this isn't good enough. No matter where you play, to be that thick to do something like try and pass to Falcao at the end there is just piss poor.
He's been atrocious to say the least. Terrible form he is in. Zero confidence whatsoever, that fecked up to Falcao was so easy to do.
Yup, him passing the ball to one of his team mates would be a good start, feck being versatile.
He was bad last week too but his loyal fans wouldn't have any of it. Expect to see the same today.
Simply awful. Can't dribble, can't cross, can't pick a pass. Literally offering nothing productive.
Of course. When he played winger from october they said he should play CM and it's not his fault. He played in the middle and was shite as well and then we had people saying he would be winger
Oh, and the "It's all the other players fault".
Seems like he is trying too hard.
He's getting into good positions thanks to his movement. Struggling with the execution to say the least. But I've got plenty of time for a player that's always positive.
We were ripped off again (after Mata, Shaw, Fellaini).
@Balu: Remember a discussion we had when I told you he was worth that money ? I have changed my mind.
@Balu: Remember a discussion we had when I told you he was worth that money ? I have changed my mind.
His final ball was so good at Real. What the hell was that at the end? Young was wide open
Having the shocker of all shockers
We would have been better off saving the 60 million instead of wasting it on this terrible player
It is definetly something at Manchester United that is making him shite. I am confidence to say that if he was still playing for Real Madrid, he would not be this bad just based of his earlier season form and how he has transitioned to such a poor player. It might be Van Gaal that is stagnating his ability, but even then some of the basic that has nothing to do with management, he is doing poor with.
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