One of his representatives has just said once United showed interest there was no one else he wanted.
Angel Di Maria | £59.7M fee agreed I Maybe tomorrow...or the day after...
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your probably right, id probably say on perfomances over the last year RVP is the one who should make way, but i think the relationsip between rvp and van gaal and the fact rooney has just been made captain will keep them in the team at the present, in a few months if it not working yeah maybe one of them will be droped, but untill then i suspect mata will be on the bench a lot.
I'm not sure Mata, Rooney and van Persie will ever work as a forward three, but with the injection of pace and energy from di Maria in the side perhaps it could. We are devoid of that unless Welbeck plays and his starting berth would come at the expense of RvP and/or Rooney, but with AdM's tactical flexibility we can accommodate all of our four star attacking players. Don't think it's the right thing to do mind you.
The system isn't in question in my opinion. It's just the attacking personnel we use and I think Welbeck would be of greater benefit to the team collectively than RvP - seeing as Rooney is nailed on to start as captain.
Credit to Ballague, he wasn't bullshitting for once...
Also mentioned on Sunday that Januzaj will definitely get minutes this season
I really hope it's Rooney or RVP that are the players dropped. Rooney has been dreadfully off form for a while now.
His first touch and urgency seems to have completely vanished.
Sadly, I don't think we can get Di Maria, Mata, RVP and Rooney playing at the same time - one of the latter two will be sacrificed.
Doea anybody have any opinions on why he has only 4 goals in last 50 appearances? He can improve it here, but I want to know why he doesn't score much. If he added 20 goals to that total, he would be worth £80m because his assists are phenomenal, just needs goals. Maybe that is why he is not as a bigger star as he does not win the show.
It also seems like all his goals are by cutting in from the right.
It also seems like all his goals are by cutting in from the right.
I'll give you a summary:
- Smells like City who tried to make a statement before they had solved their main problems by breaking the British transfer record.
- It's not to say that Di Maria will be as flaky as Robinho, that he's not an excellent player or that he won't improve United.
- Why have we spent so long addressing pretty much every other area of the pitch bar CB and CM?
- Rojo has come in but is unproven. We knew since the turn of the year Vidic and Rio were leaving.
- Goes on to chat about 3-4-1-2, which is irrelevant because we will probably revert to 4-3-3 now. To carry on this point Does he reinvent Di Maria as a CM, or fill him in at LWB?
Agreed. Someone will not be an automatic pick. Im sure its going to be 4-3-3. Despite ADM being great in one of the midfield 3 last season, I think you will see him deployed as a winger. Its the system LVG wants to play - he admitted that previously.
Daley Blind won dutch footballer of the year playing as a central midfielder.
I would sooner trust Louis van Gaal's analysis than Cruyff.
Bloated attack force at Madrid I'd imagine. When you have a strike force of Bale, Ronaldo and Benzema you're not exactly going to be high up the pecking order to be putting away chances. That and the fact he's spent most of last season playing quite deep in a midfield 3.
The problem with rooney and RVP, they are both number 9's, and 2 number 9's without a great deal of pace, rooney is no longer the all action striker of 08, he is more aware of his position, so I see no need of keeping both of Rooney and RVP. That is why I have no idea why we still have all 4 of kagwa mata rooney and RVP. when we only need 2 of the 4, kagwa and RVP I feel could be used to get wages off the list, but tactically it makes no sense to keep all 4
But defiantly cleverley fletcher anderson nani young kagwa RVP and hernandez I would look to move on, to rebalance out the squad
He got 11 goals. It was 4 goals in the league I believe.
Well Van Gaal would of bid for him by now if he was so special, it is not as if he was hard to acquire!
Don't use just those two stats as a judgement of his price. This guy is one of the best dribblers in the world: he is unreal in that he is so bloody hard to tackle. Last season he made the Barcelona defence look like a league 2 side, and left Puyol on his arse. Also take into account his workrate which is up there with the best, and his unpredictability in what he will do, and the pricetag makes a lot more sense. Getting 11 goals and 26 assists in one season (Not sure where you got 4 in 50 from) from a person who spent just as much time in his own half as he did in the opposition's is incredible.
Your last point is why he isn't £80 million: He's not a Bale or a Ronaldo who are the frame of the Ferrari that everyone notices and admires. Players like Di Maria and Modric were the engine of that Ferrari last season and made it tick along nicely.
Kuyt won the same accolade in 2006.
I'd agree in that if LVG thinks he can do a job there I'll trust him, otherwise I'd be very hesitant to sign him unless we get someone like de Jong in with him too.
excelent point, van gaal has worked with blind if he thought he was any good surely we would have bid for him?
What else is he going to say?
Has one of the highest attempted shots stats compared to most wingers/world class players so thats not an excuse.
Kuyt was very good for Liverpool in Premier League.
I agree
I agree with all your points, but I can't help but feel he can improve goal scoring wise, he could be the best player in the world if he combined it with his assists. I think he will have more chances of scoring in PL as it is more open.
Sack Van Gaal, sell Rooney?
Give him time.
An award also won by Johny Heitinga and Wilfried Bony. Should we sign them?
in my opinion it will be Mata. Of course we will rotate and everyone will get some games, but for me Mata will not play as many games as Robin or Rooney. Rooney is our captain, he wont be dropped in the next games. RvP is still our best striker.
What you have got to remember with Madrid is they have 3 attacking players that are more "selfish" than Di Maria : Bale, Ronaldo and Benzema. If you saw the stat on the last page or so, it showed last season that Di Maria took 49 odd shots, and Ronaldo took 134. Yes, Bale took less, but most of those shots would have been taken from the right wing, where Di Maria would prefer to be. At United, he can easily be the most selfish player and take shots from outside the box, because he will have far greater urgency than our current players have, and thus more opportunities to score than he did at Real. I won't put it past him at all to get 15 goals this season, and if our team finally clicks then I am putting my money on him to hit 20, I am that confident in his ability. This also depends on where van Gaal decides to play him.
Indeed, Vermaelen said the same about Barcelona.
How is it third on our priority's? the wide position is in desperate need of improving, just like the CM and defence, let us not forget our only wingers we have available is valencia and young, nani is on loan, while janazaj cannot get a game. LVG also stated he has not got the players to play his preferred system of 433, with Di Maria on board and he goes back to 433 we do not even need an ashley young anymore
So you would say wing play is more important than CM or CB?
I think it is just has important, when your team has no pace. Just because we have forwards, when none of them have any pace
I agree that they shouldn't start together, because it cripples our movement and pace up front, but selling either of them would be a massive mistake and a bit pointless also.
We have what five players (Mata, de Gea, di Maria, RvP & Rooney) who are clearly a cut above the rest and the drop in quality to the large majority of the squad is quite significant besides either a few young talents and some players who are untested in this league (Januzaj, Shaw, Herrera, Welbeck & Rojo). It's all very mediocre if you take those players out of the equation, so we can't afford to lose great players like Rooney or RvP.
We don't exactly have a glut of players who can contribute a glut of goals either. Mata, Rooney and RvP will surpass ten goals in all competitions, but you can't say with absolute assurance that anyone else in our side will. Why would you want to sell RvP when for all we know, he might contribute 25% of our goals spanning a season like he did in 2012/13? Competition is healthy, though van Gaal will have to make tougher decisions following AdM's arrival.
Even without Di Maria, I think we'll have to give up on Rooney or RVP. I just don't think these two click upfront, despite trying to do that for over two years now. It doesn't work, it's not a good combination. I guess Van Gaal too has to learn it the hard way. If one of the reasons he's using 3-5-2 is to be able to use both Rooney and RVP, then it's not worth it. Especially now that we are going to have the sort of winger he'd like.
He's had ten years, how much more time does he need?
CM, i think if we can get everyone fit in defense, Jones, Evans, Rojo ant bad...... but having no mobile midfilder who can tackle, teams will just continue to walk through our midfield over and over again.
heres an intresting question, do you think man united would be a better team if we signed di maira? or if we spent 60 million on a decent center defender and defensive midfielder ( say Lars bender and benatia for arguments sake)
becuase my personnel opnion is we would be far better team with a solid base, then a snazzy new attacker in front of crumbling foundations.
Rooney or RVP are not going to want start on the bench, mata will easily bag 20 goals if used in the right system with players that have wingers, janazaj if used right could bag us 8 or 9, di maria can easily get us 12 to 15 goals, and our main striker in a 433/4231 could easily hit the 25 30 goal barrier. I would keep welbeck and hernandez has backups, with rooney or RVP has the main man in a 433
the system
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di maria mata janazaj
rooney/RVP
Unless RVP agrees to a bench role, I cannot see these 2 working
Fine, you think it's of most importance or 2nd, I think it's 3rd.t Considering we have all of our wingers fit right now and our 3 first choice CBs are all injury prone whilst 4 CMs are injured, I would say getting a CB may be quite important right now.
Yeah I'd pretty much agree with that. Going to be interesting to see whether he favours his club or national team captain for the lone strike role....assuming both are fit.
As far as van Gaal is concerned, our wingers aren't good enough to even use a system that employs them as wingers.
What wingers? young and valencia are not rated has wingers by VG, nani is on loan, janazaj cannot get a game, when everyone is fit, we have better quality in CM than out wide, compare herrera and carrick, to valencia young and janazaj, the quality is not even close. Janazaj cannot even get a game
We have also signed rojo, blackett and keane are coming through, jones looks good, we lack more fullbacks than CB's, that is why blind is looked at. He has also said he is looking to sign 2 more players, so united are not getting away from the fact they looking to sign a defender and midfielder
As well as El Hamdaoui, Theo Janssen and Afonso Alves
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