Andy van der Meyde
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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You're being too harsh on Claudio. He was faced with the task of disassembling Viali's team and effectively reinfusing it with the type of players that exemplify his brand of football. Gudhjohnsen, Lampard, Gallas, Terry, Hasselbaink, Forsell, Petit, Zenden, Gronkjaer, Forsell etc. It's next to impossible to construct a brand new squad and win the Premiership in the same year, and anyone who expects that to happen is not being realistic imo. You have to set realistic goals for each year. If Chelsea finish 4th in the Premiership and earn a Champions League spot then this year will have been a success on which they could build in the summer. Next year they might go for a top 3 finish and a major trophy and so on. The point being, it takes time to build a championship calibre club.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it does, but the team he inherited wasn't that bad - would you have wanted a new manager to have come into United and changed the team that much, and change formation several times each game? BTW I didn't realise he signed two Forsell's!
From Soccerupdate:
Manchester United have checked on Ajax's 22-year-old winger Andy Van Der Meyde, who is rated as one of Holland's most exciting prospects and valued at £4m.
Manchester United have checked on Ajax's 22-year-old winger Andy Van Der Meyde, who is rated as one of Holland's most exciting prospects and valued at £4m.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>From Soccerupdate:
Manchester United have checked on Ajax's 22-year-old winger Andy Van Der Meyde, who is rated as one of Holland's most exciting prospects and valued at £4m.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats great. maybe Van Der Vaart would also be a good cover for Giggs.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>From Soccerupdate:
Manchester United have checked on Ajax's 22-year-old winger Andy Van Der Meyde, who is rated as one of Holland's most exciting prospects and valued at £4m.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't wet yourself on this Raoul.
We always miss out on the exciting young prospects
Originally posted by lchk:
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Don't wet yourself on this Raoul.
We always miss out on the exciting young prospects
I don't view him as a young prospect. Meghni is a young prospect. AVDM is an established player at Ajax.
Originally posted by lchk:
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Don't change the subject - the issue remains that we have been a failure in snapping up good prospects over the years.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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You're the one who changed the subject....after Murt asked you a question.
Originally posted by Murt:
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ive asked 2 question.
You claimed that we have a terrible record at snapping up 17 yr old Maradonnas for peanuts.
Name the players that Arsenal & Pool have snapped up with such brilliant results that we havnt?
Ill name
Mickael Silvestre, Nardallo, Graeme Tomlinson, Djordjic, Sharpe, Forlan, Steele,
just a few bright stars we snapped up over the yrs who have had various levels of succes.
Just because we dont go and snap up every pretty boy that gets named in this place dont go criticising Man Utd.
We can only have so many in our squad and we can only take players on board that are of a certain standard.
Danny Murphy, Heskey, Ben thatcher, Nicky weaver are young protiges that popped up 4 or 5 yrs ago similar to the present day ones.
I wouldnt put any of them in a red Cork city shirt let alone a Man utd one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How about Chivu, Tudor, Ronaldo before he went to PSV, Vieira and the French duo who were snapped up by pool (which Fergie said to Houllier "Congrats, you picked the best two youngsters in the world")?
We can't be buying big names all the time, there has to be a fair bit of bargain hunting and unearthing diamonds in the rough. Sadly, we haven't done much of both for the last few years.
Mickael Silvestre - Not exactly a success is he? The jury's still out on him being a consistent performer. Now he's claiming that he wants to leave. Great signing
Nardallo - What has he done?
Graeme Tomlinson - Flopped out of OT
Djordjic - Even Sheff Wed didn't want him - tha speaks for itself
Sharpe - Another flop but he's a bit far into the past
Forlan - Entirely unconvincing. Hopefully not another Gary Birtles.
Steele - Let's see where he's headed in a couple of years time but I'm not holding my breath
Bottom line is unless we have a transfer fund the size of Real Madrid's, we have to scrape around at times and frankly speaking, our buys at the lower level have not been too impressive in recent years.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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You're the one who changed the subject....after Murt asked you a question.
It was not a question per se - merely to point out the fact that we haven't made any good young signings for the past few years.
lchk, did you just say Lee Sharpe was a 'flop' ? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
Originally posted by lchk: and corrected by his mentor
How about Chivu, Tudor, Ronaldo before he went to PSV, Vieira and the French duo who were snapped up by pool (which Fergie said to Houllier "Congrats, you picked the best two youngsters in the world")?
itchy, you havnt a clue have you. Chivu went to Ajax, tudor was unheard until Juve got him, Viera was in wengers pocket, you might be wondering why Milan let him go in the first place
We can't be buying big names all the time, there has to be a fair bit of bargain hunting and unearthing diamonds in the rough. Sadly, we haven't done much of both for the last few years.
No, they've all betting sitting around OT on their elbows the last few yrs. Do you think that we should by a couple of young cissy boys with nice suntans and hair dos every yr?
Mickael Silvestre - Not exactly a success is he?
The jury's still out on him being a consistent performer. Now he's claiming that he wants to leave. Great signing
he certainly is, played well the last couple of months and is in the french team, which is more than the famous mexes for starters. the jurys allways out, he never said he wants to read, dont read tabloids, their bad for your precious few brain cells. A very good signing whos value has increased from what it was. You complain about "rough diamonds" not being signed and here a i present the world cup favourites defender and you just shrug your shoulders and say hes not as good as chive etc, <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Nardallo - What has he done?
never said he did feck all, hes still a young player we signed, he could turn out to be your Maradonna, has probably as good a chance as the other lads you mentioned
Graeme Tomlinson - Flopped out of OT
yes, still a young star who fulfilled your criteria
Djordjic - Even Sheff Wed didn't want him - tha speaks for itself
again a young star that the world was chasing, Pool thought they had him,, yet another example of how wrong you are, sheff wed didnt want him, hes not the first club thats been rejected by a crowd of parttimers,
Sharpe - Another flop but he's a bit far into the past
as gazza said <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> , when sharpe played with torquay the whole of england wanted him we got him and for a couple of yrs, 6 or 7 yrs before you came on to the scene, he was magic,
Forlan - Entirely unconvincing.
Hopefully not another Gary Birtles.
again, another tough diamond but your still not fuchin happy
Steele - Let's see where he's headed in a couple of years time but I'm not holding my breathdo they have Oxygen where you live, we sign Englands apparently most promising keeper and your still no impressed
Bottom line is unless we have a transfer fund the size of Real Madrid's, we have to scrape around at times and frankly speaking, our buys at the lower level have not been too impressive in recent years.
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the bottom line is that your not the sharpest tool in the box. You complain that we dont sign a couple of 16 yrs old Maradonnas every season, what planet are you on?
Stick to the championship manager itchy, you seem to be living their as it is
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to call Lee Sharpe a failure is a disgrace. He forced Ryan Giggs on to the right at times, and spent many great years at OT. Silvestre is easily the best left-back in England, so ichk, cut all this shit you're talking.
Originally posted by lchk:
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I think you are the one who needs a reality check and possibly a scan for brain tumor
Bottom line is we have signed no starlet of worth or even a good bargain in recent years
However you argue it, we missed out on the likes of Tudor and Vieira so cut out the excuses.
And don't make me laugh about mickey - I reckon Fergie might even give him the boot this summer especially with all those comments about him wanting to leave and all that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ichk you're far too cynical for your own good. You act as if you're an outraged shareholder who wants his money back because we haven't bought any world class prodigies lately. Unlike many other clubs we haven't had the immediate need to buy the latest young Maradona because we've by en large had a solid team in place for the better part of the last decade, and when you're winning, the pressure of panic buying youngsters is less than say a club thats got money but has been losing alot. And whos to say that Richardson, Timm, Nardiello, Tate and a few others won't evolve into the stars of tomorrow. You nor I know as of yet.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Ichk you're far too cynical for your own good. You act as if you're an outraged shareholder who wants his money back because we haven't bought any world class prodigies lately. Unlike many other clubs we haven't had the immediate need to buy the latest young Maradona because we've by en large had a solid team in place for the better part of the last decade, and when you're winning, the pressure of panic buying youngsters is less than say a club thats got money but has been losing alot. And whos to say that Richardson, Timm, Nardiello, Tate and a few others won't evolve into the stars of tomorrow. You nor I know as of yet.
FYI, I have held the PLC shares before as I occasionally dabble in the FTSE.
I understand your points but surely a club the size and reputation of ours would be able to attract at least one starlet? What has happened in the past four to five years or so has been anything but that. Ever since the Beckham-Scholes days, our youth conveyor belt has tapered off greatly and hence we are in a situation where we do seriously need to do some pinching of starlets on a global basis - this is of course in addition to the most pressing reason of us having a rather tight budget for transfers (compared to the other big clubs).
Yes, we have all heard about our promising youngsters eg Fletcher (greatest young thing north of hadrian's wall since dalglish), timm etc but that's the future which as you rightly pointed out, no-one knows about their outcome. However, my point of concern is that at the PRESENT, there's no promising youngster that we have that can come in and improve the squad greatly - not chadwick or o'shea. I don't consider brown on that list as he's an experienced squad member and at 23 isn't really that young.
Originally posted by lchk:
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FYI, I have held the PLC shares before as I occasionally dabble in the FTSE.
I understand your points but surely a club the size and reputation of ours would be able to attract at least one starlet? What has happened in the past four to five years or so has been anything but that. Ever since the Beckham-Scholes days, our youth conveyor belt has tapered off greatly and hence we are in a situation where we do seriously need to do some pinching of starlets on a global basis - this is of course in addition to the most pressing reason of us having a rather tight budget for transfers (compared to the other big clubs).
Yes, we have all heard about our promising youngsters eg Fletcher (greatest young thing north of hadrian's wall since dalglish), timm etc but that's the future which as you rightly pointed out, no-one knows about their outcome. However, my point of concern is that at the PRESENT, there's no promising youngster that we have that can come in and improve the squad greatly - not chadwick or o'shea. I don't consider brown on that list as he's an experienced squad member and at 23 isn't really that young.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There aren't any greater guarantees of a youngster from abroad succeeding any more or less than the young players our Reserve/U19/U17 sides are coaching at the moment. So why are you basing your arguement on buying youngsters when we could just as well develop them from within ?
I see where Ichk comes from.
We see the likes of Henry, Owen, Gerrard, Vieira, Saviola, Hyppia, Joe Cole etc all come through in recent years.
You then compare them to our crop of youngsters and you wonder whats happened to our scouting system?? Why didnt we even go for Saviola or Ronaldo? Why dont we go for Joe Cole? He would be perfect for the 'hole'. Nardiello doesn't even come close - he wont make it into our first team.
It's because most of the youngsters we've missed dont fit into our team and are too good for our reserves so buying them to sit on our bench would be bad for them and for the team.
Now we have Mexes and Cisse and a few others around the world that ARE quality, and are ones we need. If the board dont move now then we're going down. Its all about intent and ambition. Buying ageing left overs from these Italian clubs should not be our future.
I totally agree with Ichk, we've missed some great players. But I understand why we've missed out and I hope we dont miss out in future.
We see the likes of Henry, Owen, Gerrard, Vieira, Saviola, Hyppia, Joe Cole etc all come through in recent years.
You then compare them to our crop of youngsters and you wonder whats happened to our scouting system?? Why didnt we even go for Saviola or Ronaldo? Why dont we go for Joe Cole? He would be perfect for the 'hole'. Nardiello doesn't even come close - he wont make it into our first team.
It's because most of the youngsters we've missed dont fit into our team and are too good for our reserves so buying them to sit on our bench would be bad for them and for the team.
Now we have Mexes and Cisse and a few others around the world that ARE quality, and are ones we need. If the board dont move now then we're going down. Its all about intent and ambition. Buying ageing left overs from these Italian clubs should not be our future.
I totally agree with Ichk, we've missed some great players. But I understand why we've missed out and I hope we dont miss out in future.
Originally posted by lchk:
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Whoever they can find.
Are you looking for present examples we should take a look at or the ones we missed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Personally I'm still reeling that we missed out on Pele, Maradona, and Van Basten when they were promising young 14 year olds.
Let's stick to who's out there now shall we.
Who would you buy now ?
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Personally I'm still reeling that we missed out on Pele, Maradona, and Van Basten when they were promising young 14 year olds.
Let's stick to who's out there now shall we.
Who would you buy now ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
For a club of our size, do you think we can really afford to miss out on starlets? It would be a crying shame unless we can produce our own which we haven't in recent years.
Mexes would be a good start
Aghahowa another
Some of the Cameroon youngsters (whose names slipped my mind) - they have a really good squad and it's been that way for the past couple of years.