Grande
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Very interesting points, and recognizeable. A few questions:I think the issue is the tactics themselves rather than the players implementing them. This is going to be a long response looking at Ten Hag’s repeated tactical issues and how they are failing these players.
1. Build-
I keep saying this in other posts, but the 3-1-6 build-up defies logic. Other top clubs in the division (City, Arsenal, Spurs) build with a 3-2 shape, which creates the best angles to progress the ball through the middle.
During pre-season, we tried out a 3-2 build-up but with Lisandro pushing up into the 2. It has been abandoned since the season started.
By contrast, ourselves and Chelsea build with a 3-1. This makes it easy to close off the passing lanes to the single pivot or press them upon ball reception which makes us susceptible to turnovers in dangerous positions. This the forces to go wide, whereas ball progression is restricted to one side given the proximity to the touchline. Therefore, if the ball doesn’t go down the line (increased risk of losing possession), it alternatively goes inside, where the pivot is pressed in a congested zone. This is why we are seeing a lot more long-balls lately, which is ugly to watch and not the progressive posession football we expected from Ten Hag’s time at Ajax.
There needs to be a discussion about this 3-1 build-up and the issues it is causing. The goal conceded against Brentford stemmed from the 3-1 build-up. While Casshould have been better in preventing the turnover in a dangerous position, he got the ball while pressed from three different sides and his only option was a vertical pass. Similarly, while Onana’s pass was blamed for the penalty Casemiro conceded against Galatasaray, it was easy for Mertens to cut off the pass to United’s single pivot.
2. Pressing
A second issue is our press. We go man-to-man in the middle, which makes it easy for midfielders to vacate spaces and the opponent by-passes the press with ease. The man-to-man press was a key reason behind the 7-0 at Anfield. The first Gakpo goal is a great example of this. The winger (Antony) pushed up on the centre-back who split wide (Van Dijk). Dalot backed up the press by pushing up on Robertson. Then it was easy for Liverpool to find Gakpo in acres of space with Fred forced to cover lots of ground.
3. Two 10s experime
A third issue was the two 10s experiment. In theory, it’s a good idea because you would have an overload on the opposition’s defence. Bruno can also cross dangerously from the right half-space a la De Bruyne. But we do not keep the ball well enough to be able to work the ball from side-to-side and sustain the pressure. On transitions, it also leaves Casimero exposed. In the Wolves game we had Matheus Cunha looking like prime R9!
It is also telling how we have been so exposed to cut-backs given how isolated the sole pivot is and the fact that the midfielders ahead of him are running backwards by the time they come in. Off the top of my head - we conceded various chances from cutbacks with Wolves and Forrest, conceded from 1 vs Spurs (Sarr), 1 vs Arsenal (Odegaard), 3 vs Brighton, 2 vs Bayern (Sane’s one was more of lay-off to be fair but the passing lane into Kane was not blocked), 1 vs Galatasaray (Aktecoglu). To keep conceding the same type of goal over and over again reflects a clear tactical issue and a weakness that is not being fixed and I am not entirely sure that the manager can be blameless in this. Fred’s mobility would have been useful for defending cutbacks but the manager got rid of him. Casemiro, one of the world’s best holding midfielders, is looking like a shadow of himself because he is not being protected in the build-up phase nor in defensive transitions.
I also think that the fact that Ten Hag hasn’t been consistent with the two 10s experiment has cast doubt into player’s minds whether this manager knows what he is doing. There has been no consistency in his Eriksen was brought in to sit next to Casemiro after Mount’s injury, before his mobility issues left us even more exposed on defensive transitions. Then we tried a diamond vs Brighton that failed miserably and we didn’t return to it. Then, upon Mount’s return, we went back to the two 10s vs Galatasaray. It didn’t work because Bruno outwide can’t dribble to beat his man, so there was an inability to drag the opponent’s defence out of shape to create space in the half-space a la City and Arsenal. Then he hooked Hannibal and went back to Eriksen in the pivot as he does not have the legs to be a wide 10 in Ten Hag’s system.
4. Final thoughts
It is telling that the best that United have looked this season are two moments of games in particular. Firstly, the first twenty or so minutes at Old Trafford when the opponent has not settled. Secondly, when tactics are thrown out of the window and we resort to hoofing and throwing the kitchen sink in order to try to recover from being a goal down. We saw this against Forrest and Brentford, and even against Palace and Brighton. These instances show to me that the players have not downed tools, and they still have the professional pride to keep seeking victory, and that they are in fact being failed by the manager’s inconsistent tactics.
For now, I am waiting to see how it will work with Shaw back in the side. The way we ended vs. Brentford is unsustainable. Perhaps Casemiro will be dropped and we will go back to basics with an Amrabat-Eriksen pivot. Ten Hag certainly has a selection headache on his hands. McTominay’s heroics may have earned him an opportunity to start but this may involve having to drop one of his big money signings in Mount, Antony or Hojlund. Antony’s return will, thankfully, end the wide Bruno experiment but this could result in the continuation of the two 10s experiment which is likely to expose Amrabat or whoever screens the defence as it has exposed Casemiro. We shall wait and see.
Build-u: Are you sure about us playing 3-1-6 much in build-up? I remember seeing it clearly in some preseason games (can’t remember which), with eg. Mainoo falling back into LCM position to make play, with a CM or LB going up into midfield and Mount and Bruno (or Mejbri?) going further ahead. But when season started, what I saw mostly was a FB tucking into CM with Casemiro (or going wide sometimes with Mount staying back sometimes) and one staying in the three in the build-up phaze, I believe.
The Brentford mistake was eerily like the one we had vs them last season when De Gea played Eriksen up. The issue in both situations is that the meeting player (Eriksen/Casemiro) should very clearly ping it back to the keeper to spread it wide on one touch, whereas in both cases Eriksen and Casemiro tried some very unsubstantiated stuff, prob due to a) not trusting de gea’s one-touch and b) Case recieved the ball from a centrally placed Maguire who clearly shouldn’t have played him up there with the wide options not being in place. I’m not sure that the build up phaze is so different from what worked ok last year, but there are no consistent relations in the back five this season, which introduces misunderstandings and then uncertainties and then errors.
Second question is about press: How does Ten Hag want us to press (tactical) and how do the players mange to press (performance)? Last year, pressing improved in small leaps during the first two thirds of the season. The system seemed rather consistent, with man-man marking except the front three, where striker and one of the wingers would cut lanes from keeper or one of the CB’s (probably decided before the game which). The qualified risk was that the winger cutting lanes inward had to be prepared to sprint back towards his opposite FB if he was bypassed. The timing, distance and speed of this pressure and regrouping was the difference between creating huge chances and being run over and picked off. Antony did this much more consistently than Rashford, Sancho and Bruno, not surpringly. When one or more players started to veer off from the press system, the same thing happened that happened at home to Liverpool under Solskjær (0-5), when some players overpressed (typically Bruno) and some underpressed in the same situations, typically the defenders and, placing the midfielders in impossible choices. Given that the system works very well when executed right, but is vulnerable to unsynchronicity and stress - is it not rather a symptom that we must be more consequent about the current press tactic rather than change it up, when so many players are either new to it (Højlund, Mount, Pellistri, Amrabat) or vulnerable to it when the collective is insecure (Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen)?
Third question is about the midfield roles. Is it really the case that there have been two 10’s? To me it seems that Mount has been playing a fairly typical 8 role so far in terms of spaces and tasks. He is not a McTom who barges or shoots, he rather presses and passes. After something like five games at the club, I think he’s picking up speed alot faster than several previous midfield purchases like Fred or Mkhitarian.
To me, all tactical mainlines have strengths and weaknesses, and it’s the collective performance of them that decides what will work more than wether the tactical set-up is ‘objectively good’ or not. This season, there are many factors operating simultaneously to undermine the collective performance (injuries, new players, injuries, individual weaknesses, injuries, Glazer-style preseason, injuries, new relations around central roles, injuries, scrutiny, injuries, players buckling under or affected by scrutiny (Greenwood, Sancho, Antony, Maguire, Rashford) and injuries. To me, that makes it impossible to say at this point how much of the tactics are just unfeasible, and how much of it will be just brilliant given a little time, patience and semi-normal circumstances. What do you think about these interactions?