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Fallen Muppet. Lest we never forget
Yes. In the biggest game of the seasonWhat mistake he did? He gave away a goal or something?
Yes. In the biggest game of the seasonWhat mistake he did? He gave away a goal or something?
£10m would make Andreas the 6th most expensive signing in Flamengo's history (link).
Flamengo is a team with a lot of history and tradition but its in the Brazilian league, not the Premier League. They do not have half the budget of even mid-table teams in England. Is Andreas so good that he deserves to become the 6th most expensive transfer in their history? I mean, even if Flamengo paid us £6m he'd still be the 10th most expensive signing they've ever made.
There's a reason why nobody else wants him. Lets not play silly buggers and allow the deal to fall through.
Exactly.
I'm sure they are but for the sums involved it's nothing. The question is do we want to get something for the player or do we want to risk the most likely buyer pulling out because we over value our un-utilized player assets and end up right back at square one?
I get what you saying, but we do criticize the club for not selling well, so maybe now the club is trying to get something here (e.g. Smalling, Schniderlin), but they must do it properly and not mess it up, I agree that it will be daft if the club plays hardball and end up with an unneeded player on the books that is not sellable.
The bolded is true, but they tend to sell their best players for big money (for e.g. Vinicius Jr. sold for more than 40m quids), so they can afford 10m for AP
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I get what you saying, but we do criticize the club for not selling well, so maybe now the club is trying to get something here (e.g. Smalling, Schniderlin), but they must do it properly and not mess it up, I agree that it will be daft if the club plays hardball and end up with an unneeded player on the books that is not sellable.
They sell their best players to survive. A big part of their business model is based on developing brilliant youngsters and selling them at a massive profit to European clubs. That's how they stay in the black. They aren't in a position to be chucking £10m around on average players, which is what Andreas is. If we were talking about a star who had fallen on hard times, I'm sure they would find the money. The commercial upside would make it worth their while to push the boat out. However, Andreas is not going to be selling many soft drinks or star in many sportswear adverts. We shouldn't be looking a gift horse in the mouth.
They paid 15m for Gabi Barbosa, who completely flopped with Inter, had a terrible 6 months in Lisbon with Benfica he didn't even play much, while AP, as an academy graduate here, had decent spells in Spain and played a lot there, also played with us in England and Italy with Lazio, he is definitely worth a fee closer to 10m.
My point is that hopefully the club negotiates competently to get a decent fee for AP, and build a good relationship with Flamingo.
10m from a Brazilian club? Don’t be daft.
if they offer 7m or close to it, take it
otherwise he will still be on our books, probably end up on another loan and meanwhile his value drops again so the next bid Is 4m
To answer your question, this is how I see it, we will try and haggle, it’ll work against us and he will go for free or peanuts. Like always. We should stop over pricing people we are ever going to use in a month of SundaysBarbosa has a strong record of scoring goals in Brazil. What has Andreas got to show? Decent spells in Spain you say? You're having a laugh.
Would you be surprised if this goes the way of Sergio Romero and Marcos Rojo? We'll be giving the lad away in a year's time to save on his wages. I just don't understand.
Is he still at Flamengo or back here?
Looks like the Brazilian transfer window is open until the end of March so still plenty of time to sell.
He’s on a season long loanIs he still at Flamengo or back here?
Looks like the Brazilian transfer window is open until the end of March so still plenty of time to sell.
He's on loan till summer.
Thanks.He’s on a season long loan
This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.
I think, in practice, what this means is Flamengo has agreed to buy Andreas for a fee of €10.5m euros. The spin is that this is equivalent to only 75 per cent of what United value him at and, in time, with clauses etc., United might get up to €14m euros for Andreas. However, the reality is the money bankable is €10.5m euros. Which, in my opinion, is still a surprisingly good fee.
The Journo in question is now saying that the he's been contacted by Flamengo and they have informed him that the values aren't accurate. He then went on to say that he'd write a article to shed more light on the development.That's a better deal than I expected us to get from a brazilian team.
The Journo in question is now saying that the he's been contacted by Flamengo and they have informed him that the values aren't accurate. He then went on to say that he'd write a article to shed more light on the development.
This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.
I think, in practice, what this means is Flamengo has agreed to buy Andreas for a fee of €10.5m euros. The spin is that this is equivalent to only 75 per cent of what United value him at and, in time, with clauses etc., United might get up to €14m euros for Andreas. However, the reality is the money bankable is €10.5m euros. Which, in my opinion, is still a surprisingly good fee.
Jesus wept just sell him, he’s shit, he won’t get a big fee anywhere else
They are selling him what on earth are you moaning aboutJesus wept just sell him, he’s shit, he won’t get a big fee anywhere else