[JohnnyKills]

He's got Pogba written all over him, probably not the same class but he will become a very good player elsewhere.

It would be laughable if this happens. Hopefully the higher ups at OT see sense in keeping our two biggest prospects. We're not bloody Bayern to be sticking big talents in the U21's. We start Fellaini. Fellaini!

Yeah but you could spin it the other way. The fact that LVG is starting Fellaini over Pereira suggests Pereira isn't that big a talent, certainly not in Pogba's class.

This is LVG we are talking about - a man who has given first-team spots to Blackett, McNair and Lingard over the past couple of years. None of those players is ever going to be a world-beater. So if Pereira can't break into the team, maybe he's just not that good - or at least not that good yet.

Does anyone think LVG would have passed up the chance to play Pogba had their spells at Old Trafford coincided?

 

[In Rainbows]

Yeah but you could spin it the other way. The fact that LVG is starting Fellaini over Pereira suggests Pereira isn't that big a talent, certainly not in Pogba's class.

This is LVG we are talking about - a man who has given first-team spots to Blackett, McNair and Lingard over the past couple of years. None of those players is ever going to be a world-beater. So if Pereira can't break into the team, maybe he's just not that good - or at least not that good yet.

Does anyone think LVG would have passed up the chance to play Pogba had their spells at Old Trafford coincided?

I don't think LVG is taking talent into account when playing the youth players.

 

[Sammyjunn]

sorry i Missed this.

He got offers but there is no point in getting a move to the dutch league. Anyway I'm sure he was kept as a backup as we were suffering injury after injury but then lingard showed more in training than pereira or memphis so he got the nod. He himself seems to have been a bit underwhelming too (i havent seen but going by the posts here ffrom people who seem to have watched him) which didnt help him either.



He has 2 years on his contract. Unless juve pays 30m or so, it seems unlikely that he would be sold.

We sold Welbz for 16 million and Nani for about 7 or so? We're never going to sell Pereira for 30m.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Yeah but you could spin it the other way. The fact that LVG is starting Fellaini over Pereira suggests Pereira isn't that big a talent, certainly not in Pogba's class.

This is LVG we are talking about - a man who has given first-team spots to Blackett, McNair and Lingard over the past couple of years. None of those players is ever going to be a world-beater. So if Pereira can't break into the team, maybe he's just not that good - or at least not that good yet.

Does anyone think LVG would have passed up the chance to play Pogba had their spells at Old Trafford coincided?

You're missing it, as Pereira is far more talented than any of Blackett and McNair, thats more than obvious for everyone who has watched more than two u21 matches. LvG hands out chances to the players he needs, we have many injuries in defence, and injury prone defenders, that's why he's called up so many young defenders in his tenure (McNair, Reece James, Blackett, CBJ, Love, Fosumensah, Williams, Tuanzebe, Joe Riley) while we have more than enough (attacking) midfielders available, it's definitely harder for midfielders in the academy to break through than defenders. Same goes for Pearson, Rothwell, Goss for example who arent any less talented than Blackett, Love, McNair erc. The only attacking talents who have got chances from the academy are pretty much Wilson, Rashford.

 

[prath92]

We sold Welbz for 16 million and Nani for about 7 or so? We're never going to sell Pereira for 30m.

Neither of them were wanted by us. We clearly rate Pereira which is why we gave him a new deal last year. Highly unlikely we will sell him.

 

[izec]

Wasnt so fed up with a youth player not getting chances in the first team for quite a long time. He behaved fine for half a season, until van Gaal decided to not loan him out and gave every youth player with 2 legs and a half a brain starts except for him. Then he started sulking, which is normal. The sooner the Dutch idiot is gone, the better.

 

[yamo123x]

Well said class player great potential but being frozen out cos he does summit different when he has the ball as opposed to passing sideways and backwards. He needs a chance ffs

 

[Ish]

Yeah but you could spin it the other way. The fact that LVG is starting Fellaini over Pereira suggests Pereira isn't that big a talent, certainly not in Pogba's class.

Does anyone think LVG would have passed up the chance to play Pogba had their spells at Old Trafford coincided?

It's a difficult one to judge either way though. SAF who wasn't scared to give youth a chance either - & I'm sure he was obviously aware of Pogba's talent, also missed a beat to play him. These things sometimes happen.

 

[caisenma]

makes too many forward passes, always looking to move the play up the pitch. that's not what our players are supposed to do.

great goal though.

 

[Van Piorsing]

So another one for Brazil scored from the left side this time with effective run to the edge of a centre. He loves the living crap out of this angle.

If Mensah and Jackson had their chance he should easily get at least 30-45 minutes on the pitch.

 

[wiz4231]

Lads going to be in trouble when he get back

 

[CG1010]

Why?

 

[wiz4231]

Why?

Scored a goal and played with attacking intent. LVG does not likey

 

[R'hllor]

Scored a goal and played with attacking intent. LVG does not likey

As long he likes to watch "who can score from corner" competition between him and Januzaj while other 8 of their teammates are made to look like they arent worth their time.

 

[wiz4231]

As long he likes to watch "who can score from corner" competition between him and Januzaj while other 8 of their teammates are made to look like they arent worth their time.

Well that just does it for me, feck em both off or let their talents rott in reserves, how could 2 audaciously talented players do such a thing. They do not deserve any game time at all. I want them banned from playing football ever again, its criminal.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Well that just does it for me, feck em both off or let their talents rott in reserves, how could 2 audaciously talented players do such a thing. They do not deserve any game time at all. I want them banned from playing football ever again, its criminal.

 

[caisenma]

Well that just does it for me, feck em both off or let their talents rott in reserves, how could 2 audaciously talented players do such a thing. They do not deserve any game time at all. I want them banned from playing football ever again, its criminal.

exactly. so they were pricks in one game, big fecking deal. it's a problem if it happens more than once, but it never did. i watched the game myself, and the sweet irony is that they very nearly scored.

 

[jb8521]

exactly. so they were pricks in one game, big fecking deal. it's a problem if it happens more than once, but it never did. i watched the game myself, and the sweet irony is that they very nearly scored.

They did it in 3/4 games though not 1

 

[Stobzilla]

They did it in 3/4 games though not 1

This.

It has nothing to do with "Goals ? LVG doesn't like that, lololololololololols" It is a pattern of disrespect towards their team mates and the club.

 

[In Rainbows]

They did it in 3/4 games though not 1

I don't remember 3-4 matches. There's nothing wrong with trying to score from the corner so long as it's clearly not some mini game like in that 1 match.

 

[Stobzilla]

I don't remember 3-4 matches. There's nothing wrong with trying to score from the corner so long as it's clearly not some mini game like in that 1 match.

They were at it during the Sunderland (h) and Middlesbrough (A) games for sure, hints of it during the Norwich 7-0 game until Januzaj went off as well. There was one more that I can't remember.

 

[Steven Seagull]

Pair of dickheads

 

[In Rainbows]

They were at it during the Sunderland (h) and Middlesbrough (A) games for sure, hints of it during the Norwich 7-0 game until Januzaj went off as well. There was one more that I can't remember.

Again, maybe I felt those instances weren't going overboard. I feel like adnan threatens the goalkeeper often, but in that 1 match it reeked of some disrespectful mini game.

 

[wiz4231]

I don't recall losing any of those game so big fecking deal

 

[limerickcitykid]

They were at it during the Sunderland (h) and Middlesbrough (A) games for sure, hints of it during the Norwich 7-0 game until Januzaj went off as well. There was one more that I can't remember.

Adnan took 3 against Norwich, one on target which won another corner and 2 into the box, 1 of which led to a goal. I'll have to go back to the Boro game but the Sunderland match is the only one that really stood as them doing it.

 

[In Rainbows]

Adnan took 3 against Norwich, one on target which won another corner and 2 into the box, 1 of which led to a goal. I'll have to go back to the Boro game but the Sunderland match is the only one that really stood as them doing it.

Yeah I went back and checked the game threads and only the sunderland match fits that description. Although part of my criticism of adnan in that match was not just corners, but also general selfishness.

 

[jb8521]

It wasn't just about corners
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/andreas-pereira-2015-16-performances.406742/page-29#post-18939478

 

[jb8521]

I don't remember 3-4 matches. There's nothing wrong with trying to score from the corner so long as it's clearly not some mini game like in that 1 match.

There's something wrong with it when you've already been told to stop doing it. The teams work on set pieces in training so so to completely disregard that shows a lack of respect for the coaches and other players as far as I'm concerned. I'm a fan of both players but this type of stuff is just stupid and disrespectful especially when they're supposed to be first team squad members so should be setting an example for the other players

 

[Sammyjunn]

Boohoo, I understand that this has tk be adresses but freezing out you're most gifted youth players entirely because of that, seems a bit ott.

 

[Amar__]

Himself and Januzaj were taking the piss in u21 games trying to outdo each other with pointless flicks and trying to score from corners in games where they weren't even winning. They got a telling off for it and Januzaj has tried harder the last couple of games where as Pereira has looked completely disinterested. I agree that he should have had more chances with the first team but that type of behavior is completely unprofessional and shows a lack of respect for other players who are doing their best to impress at that level and as first team players they should be setting the standard for the other u21 players not acting less professionally than them.

Any source for this or just your opinion from watching the games?

Anybody else who watches the reserves agrees with this?

 

[limerickcitykid]

Any source for this or just your opinion from watching the games?

Anybody else who watches the reserves agrees with this?

JB knows people who are apart of the academy staff so what he says is about as reliable as you are going to get.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Did feck all today, has a habit of doing feck all a bit too often.

 

[wiz4231]

Did feck all today, has a habit of doing feck all a bit too often.

You really expected him to do anything in that team? What him to do the same as others, run, run and run some more without playing football. That was not good football, not creative or exciting, there was no point in him being on the pitch, Rothwell may has well had started. We did not come to play football, we came to restrict the opposition and stop them form playing football. This is the new man utd philosophy, we will always be the underdogs, we will not impose ourselves with football ability, creativity, intelligence. The need for attacking players like Pereira, Januzaj, Wilson, Depay and eventually Martial will not be required to stay at mid table fighting for CL football.

 

[jb8521]

You really expected him to do anything in that team? What him to do the same as others, run, run and run some more without playing football. That was not good football, not creative or exciting, there was no point in him being on the pitch, Rothwell may has well had started. We did not come to play football, we came to restrict the opposition and stop them form playing football. This is the new man utd philosophy, we will always be the underdogs, we will not impose ourselves with football ability, creativity, intelligence. The need for attacking players like Pereira, Januzaj, Wilson, Depay and eventually Martial will not be required to stay at mid table fighting for CL football.

The under 21's have scored more goals than any other team in the league despite playing less games than a lot of other teams along with conceding less than any other team. You seem to base your opinions on the under 21's on the past few games where they've basically been missing all of their attacking and creative players (Wilson, Fletcher, Powell on loan, Rashford with the first team, Keane, Harrop, Goss, Willock, Mitchell injured, Rothwell and Redmond recovering from injury) As well as missing Fosu Mensah and Tuanzebe. Without those players they've had to revert to a more defensive style recently because they've been forced to play players out of position and have still managed to get draws against Liverpool and Chelsea and could quite easily have won the game last night. There were a number of games where they dominated teams completely and had close to 30 shots on goal but don't let things like facts get in the way of yet another brilliantly nonsensical post

 

[Rozay]

Still a bit unsure about Andreas. I've always thought he'd have the best chance as an 8 here, but to make it as a 10 from the academy, I just think you need to be a bit more special than him, at least to be a regular.

Also, I know it's too early to say for sure, but he has real talent coming behind him in his role, and I can't see him, Gribbin and Gomes all making it here, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't back Andreas in a fight between all three in terms of talent. By all reports, Tahith Chong will be coming in too soon.

Definitely too early to call, and ideally he'd have had more chances to show what he can do in the first team, but I don't think there's enough that will stop us signing a player in that role for instance.

 

[Cassidy]

Still a bit unsure about Andreas. I've always thought he'd have the best chance as an 8 here, but to make it as a 10 from the academy, I just think you need to be a bit more special than him, at least to be a regular.

Also, I know it's too early to say for sure, but he has real talent coming behind him in his role, and I can't see him, Gribbin and Gomes all making it here, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't back Andreas in a fight between all three in terms of talent. By all reports, Tahith Chong will be coming in too soon.

Definitely too early to call, and ideally he'd have had more chances to show what he can do in the first team, but I don't think there's enough that will stop us signing a player in that role for instance.

He should be playing as a CM, especially ahead of Fellaini

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

For most of the season, I've been backing him as he's deserved to feature in some capacity in the first team because of how he's been playing (and potentially due to how shite everyone else has been) but recently he's really looked poor and sloppy at U21's level. Perhaps he's demotivated or frustrated but either way, he needs to step it up. He should play like he's fighting for his career but he really isn't showing enough desire.

 

[Gol123]

The under 21's have scored more goals than any other team in the league despite playing less games than a lot of other teams along with conceding less than any other team. You seem to base your opinions on the under 21's on the past few games where they've basically been missing all of their attacking and creative players (Wilson, Fletcher, Powell on loan, Rashford with the first team, Keane, Harrop, Goss, Willock, Mitchell injured, Rothwell and Redmond recovering from injury) As well as missing Fosu Mensah and Tuanzebe. Without those players they've had to revert to a more defensive style recently because they've been forced to play players out of position and have still managed to get draws against Liverpool and Chelsea and could quite easily have won the game last night. There were a number of games where they dominated teams completely and had close to 30 shots on goal but don't let things like facts get in the way of yet another brilliantly nonsensical post

Hang on a second. Pretty much all of Chelsea's U21 team are either with the first team or out on loan. Both sides were not the preferred choice of players and United had two first team players in their team (Albeit unfit). Pereira playing poorly had nothing to do with his teammates but himself. People should stop making excuses for certain players because they have more talent. Talented players should be demanded more of not less and when guys like Pereira and Januzaj don't play well they should be criticised and not excused.

 

[In Rainbows]

Still a bit unsure about Andreas. I've always thought he'd have the best chance as an 8 here, but to make it as a 10 from the academy, I just think you need to be a bit more special than him, at least to be a regular.

Also, I know it's too early to say for sure, but he has real talent coming behind him in his role, and I can't see him, Gribbin and Gomes all making it here, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't back Andreas in a fight between all three in terms of talent. By all reports, Tahith Chong will be coming in too soon.

Definitely too early to call, and ideally he'd have had more chances to show what he can do in the first team, but I don't think there's enough that will stop us signing a player in that role for instance.

He should be playing as an 8. Never liked his style at the 10 where he often only looks for his own shot (unless there's an obvious through ball opportunity). Gribbin and gomes should be fighting for the 10 role with gribbin having flexibility to play on the wing. I rather like Andreas using his technique (touch, ball manipulation) to be slippery in midfield to keep possession. Him being slightly further back tends to tear away his habit of looking to create his own shot.

Similar to Adnan, the coaches play him in attacking positions that I don't think they'll be at their best. I know playing them in other positions is something they do for development, but I can't help but want them to play in their best positions sometimes.

 

[jb8521]

Hang on a second. Pretty much all of Chelsea's U21 team are either with the first team or out on loan. Both sides were not the preferred choice of players and United had two first team players in their team (Albeit unfit). Pereira playing poorly had nothing to do with his teammates but himself. People should stop making excuses for certain players because they have more talent. Talented players should be demanded more of not less and when guys like Pereira and Januzaj don't play well they should be criticised and not excused.

Where in that post did I make any excuse for Pereira? He's been atrocious for the past few games