I really hope we don't make the same mistake we made with Pogba. If he wants a bit more money just give to him and sign him up for an extension.
Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances
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So, is the reason he's been suddenly propelled into every single first team squad activity? A late attempt to convince him to stay?
I don't think so. Its LVG. He gives kids a chance if they show potential and Perreira has shown potential. He is better than Anderson. Herrera-Di Maria should be first choice. Perreira should start when Herrera needs a rest or against weak opposition at home first to get some confidence.
I'm convinced they had no idea that he had one year left on his contract until the Belgian journalist tweeted so. Due to the that I'm not really listening to what this journalist is saying. I will wait for something more reliable.
He does, and I rate Pereira highly, but even James Wilson hasn't been pictured with the first team squad (on nights out etc) as much as Pereira has these last few weeks.
The wages of the top Italian clubs were released a fews weeks ago and Pogba is a such a small amount(Obviously there are other ways for Juvea pay Pogba) so I do think throwing money at Pogba would have worked really, although everyone has a price I guess.
I'm not to worried at all about this story(It could be all bollocks)as Pereira already being moved forward to the first team and with LVG he will get chance. If was to leave United now with the manager we have now it would he's loss not United's(Still think it's a load of rubbish anyway).
That article says absolutely nothing other than a few random things about Pogba and Andreas and we'll continue to see these same articles on all of our foreign youth for the foreseeable future because of Pogba just like we saw them last year with Adnan. With players under the age of 18 only being able to sign max 2 year contracts I believe it is going to be quite common for 18 year old players to have only a year left on their contract. Whether Andreas is thinking of leaving we don't know and neither do the papers but they'll spout whatever nonsense to belittle our youth program and will just reference Pogba as some sort of validity.
Yeah. The reason pogba left was because fergie wasn't giving him chances with the first team whereas pereiras already part of the first team squad and will definitely get chances. I just hope we tie him down soon so we don't get the risk of losing him.
I wasn't referring to giving Pogba more money. I was talking about the fact that we knew he was in his last year of contract and we let it keep running down and then tried to force a deal at the very end. Lets hope Perreira doesn't have a cnut of an agent.
I don't follow our youth as much as I should but is he that good?
I started following our youth team properly last year and in my opinion we have the best group there since the class of 92. Though he plays primarily as a #10, he has shown he is capable of playing deeper, which is where we will need to play him. We have enough #10s as it is. Perreira definitely has a future with us. He is a little raw just like any other young player with bags of potential. I think he at the right club with the right staff to fine tune him. Like LVG said he just has to take his opportunities when presented and show them his improvement. We don't need to spend another £40-60m on a midfielder if we develop the players we already have.
Cheers mate.
Very interesting your views on our youth towards the class of 92 because for what I see of our youths (grant it not much) I'd nearly agree with you. Every time I hear of a new prospect, I try keep up to date with them as much as possible and when they continue to grow more younger players names keep getting brought up, its been happening like this since Morrison, Pogba and Januzaj.. who ever is in charge of youth scouting is doing an excellent job!
While I agree with you, it's funny. A month ago, many users didn't rate Pereira that highly.
Talent-whise, he is a stand out. Performance-whise, he hasn't been in the past. I'm positive that a boost of confidence (like playing for the first team) could change that.
He was a little inconsistent last year but its easy to forget how young he is, but if you watched him often every now and again you would get a glimpse at what might be with him. He seems to be mixing in with the Spanish speaking lads which should help and hopefully he starts getting some minutes off the bench.
It would be great if we sort his contract sooner rather than later though.
It would be great if we sort his contract sooner rather than later though.
I hope he does sign a new contract with the club, as far as I know Sean Goss (18) has done from the U21. Kieran O'Hara (18), Michael Keane (21), Ben Pearson (19), Joe Rothwell (19), Callum Evans (18), James Wier (19), William Keane (21) and Andreas Pereira (18) are out of contact at the end of this season. I hope we can at least get Ben Pearson and Andreas Pereira signed up on long term deals.
Carrick (33), Fletcher (30), Anderson (26), Cleverley (25) and Amos (24) are also out of contract at end this season, I hope only Carrick stays on.
Carrick (33), Fletcher (30), Anderson (26), Cleverley (25) and Amos (24) are also out of contract at end this season, I hope only Carrick stays on.
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The way I see it is you aren't really looking for consistency in young players, it's the talent and the moments they show now and then so you can see their potential. Consistency comes with age and as they mature physically, but pereira definitely has the talent, if not the consistency yet. He looks way ahead of anyone else we have in the u21's talent wise and IMO that's why van gaal promoted him, despite being inconsistent in his performances.
It doesn't say anything that he won't stay. It just says that we haven't opened contract talks with him. I'm sure we'll sign him to a new contract. The club has learned from Pogba(which in itself was a rarity).
I look for consistency at youth level because it shows to me which players are certs if they also pair that up with their immense talent. That is why I am more hopeful of Januzaj and Wilson. If the player doesn't have consistency at youth level, I like to see glimpses of talent that make me go wow. Pogba did that. Pereira didn't leave me with that effect as the most impressive glimpses were his long range goals usually curled into the top corner or some good footwork. For most of last season Pereira played behind the striker, and I didn't think that was his best position. He was outplayed by numerous players for the u21s. Like Janko, I try not to be too harsh on players playing out of position and I won't rule out a change of fortune in the future.
I don't look for consistency when they play for the first team though as they are playing against older players and it's crazy to expect that.
Rather be a youngster with bags of talent and crap performances than a youngster performing above expectations but ultimately limited in talent.
It can of course to either way; the latter is more likely to have a consistent but not great career (a la Fletcher for example), but the former could end up like a Nani or Anderson. But, they also have the potential to end up a true quality player.
With experience, training with the first team, and the odd game time here and there, we may suddenly see a spike in his performance.
I don't think I agree with this logic. Consistency comes with time, experience, knowledge, confidence, mental strength etc... All of which are without a doubt linked to age on some level and opportunities.
I explained my view in the post above.
Obviously though the guy who is consistent and talented is everyone's dream but you're looking for a very rare breed of players there. I would however always go with talent at youth level as the driving thing. Riskier but leads the most fruitful returns n
I think someone said so during the Pogba affair and look what happened. Obviously we had offered Pogba a contract then but now we are yet to.
I know that's why the players that show that talent and consistency are considered certs. The other players could very well not make it or become a star provided they have talent. There is no way of knowing.
Fairs.
Exciting player emerges from our youth team to the first team and the media comes up with the 'player looking at other Clubs' line, what a shock.
For every Paul Pogba argument, there's an Adnan Januzaj counter-argument.
I'd rather we give him more minutes on the pitch instead of paying him loads to keep him interested. The motivation here should be playing time, not money.. let the youngsters have a go regardless if they're acting too big for their boots, especially talents like these.. if all the lads want to do is play, give them a chance - put up or shut up. Fergie was too cautious/stubborn with Pogba.
I think it just shows how much of an influence the agent/advisor of a young footballer plays nowadays. Pogba is advised by Riola, who is well known to get the most money for himself and client. Whether Pogba was well/ill advised and if he was getting the best in terms of getting game time and where he'd be best learning his trade, is divided opinion.
Then there's Januzaj, his dad kept his feet on the ground and ensured that Adnan understood that United was the best place to develop as a footballer.
Almost everyone said so during the Pogba affair. I was an early skeptic in the ' Pogba is sure to sign eventually' credo, but I think it's too soon to push the panic button with Andreas. Let's wait until we open negotiations and his agent starts dilly-dallying before we start to worry.
If you only started following the youth team properly how can you come to the conclusion this is the best group since 92??
In 2011 we had a youth team which consisted of Ravel, Pogba, Keane brothers, Thorpe, Lingard, Blackett, Cole and others with Adnan and Daehli in the background and on fringes. I like our current youth team and they're still very young as compared to that team but I don't think this team could overtake that team, let alone the 92 team(I hope I'm wrong on this one).
Did I say I started following our youth teams only last year? No it was on and off but not until last year, did I make the time to actually watch a lot of their games and the way they played. I didn't watch as many youth games before that. Its not like I've never followed the youth team.
A shame not to see him on the bench today.
Andreas Pereira barely rose to the first team of Manchester United and has become the subject of a controversy in the British media. Born in Belgium, but with Brazilian parents, the midfielder has little less than a year remaining contract with the English club. Without further renewal set, he would be free to sign a pre-contract agreement with another team starting in January. The newspaper "Daily Mail", the athlete would have rejected a proposed renewal of the club. Andreas denies having received any contact from the board.
- Right now nothing is happening. They not offered me the contract yet. But Manchester is more time consuming as well. I'm not worried because I went up a little while ago and I'm happy doing my job, going to work - said the player.
Manchester United went through a traumatic event involving a star base recently. After spending three years preparing Frenchman Paul Pogba in the youth and first team, the British failed to reach an agreement for a new contract with the half and saw him come out to play for Juventus, Italy, in July 2012, without penny profit.
Andreas has contract until July 2015 and does not disclose whether it has received offers from other European clubs, but says he is not worried about it at the moment. The focus of the athlete is to repay the confidence vote of Louis van Gaal and guarantee your space in the professional team. Nine days ago, in the rout of the Reds over Queens Park Rangers by 4-0, he came to stand on the bench.
- He (Van Gaal) did not promise me anything, but said he would give me a chance because you think I'm good enough to stay in the first team. He is confident that if I do my job right, I can stay. He talks to me every day about what I have to do better, I'm learning a lot - Andreas said.
http://globoesporte.globo.com/futeb...o-nega-polemica-em-renovacao-de-contrato.html
Through Google translate.
- Right now nothing is happening. They not offered me the contract yet. But Manchester is more time consuming as well. I'm not worried because I went up a little while ago and I'm happy doing my job, going to work - said the player.
Manchester United went through a traumatic event involving a star base recently. After spending three years preparing Frenchman Paul Pogba in the youth and first team, the British failed to reach an agreement for a new contract with the half and saw him come out to play for Juventus, Italy, in July 2012, without penny profit.
Andreas has contract until July 2015 and does not disclose whether it has received offers from other European clubs, but says he is not worried about it at the moment. The focus of the athlete is to repay the confidence vote of Louis van Gaal and guarantee your space in the professional team. Nine days ago, in the rout of the Reds over Queens Park Rangers by 4-0, he came to stand on the bench.
- He (Van Gaal) did not promise me anything, but said he would give me a chance because you think I'm good enough to stay in the first team. He is confident that if I do my job right, I can stay. He talks to me every day about what I have to do better, I'm learning a lot - Andreas said.
http://globoesporte.globo.com/futeb...o-nega-polemica-em-renovacao-de-contrato.html
Through Google translate.
This youth team has nothing on Pogba and Ravel's year. Nothing. Pogba's year was clearly the best in England by a long way.
Every focus in on Thorpe and McNair but Pereira is likely to be on the bench tomorrow due to the 10 players unavailable issue.
I'm hearing he's running out of contract, would be a shame if he left, I always saw him as someone with a lot of potential.
hope he gets his home debut if things go well. But after leicester collapse it will only happen when we are leading 3:0 and there are no injuries. Van Gaal still needs to give minutes to Januzaj, Falcao and Mata and maybe save Shaw.. maybe he could help the team to put the game to bed when we sub off di maria again.. and he can play deep laying playmaker with blind clearing things around him...
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