Is this a black thing?
I don’t get the relevance.
Well Costa isn't black
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Well Costa isn't black
He is a bery hood stop shotter too. Sorry, I left the typos cause they are hilarious.
Alright dign gim up
It’s more the presence of a keeper of that calibre behind the defence is the reason they don’t get slated for a poor pass. They give the defenders confidence that if the balls goes to them they will be comfortable on the ball and how to pick out a pass. Also the English media love to jump on the bandwagon, DDG couldn’t do anything about either of City’s goals in the final.
Against Sevilla he’s at fault for losing that game, although we messed up the first leg and should have put it beyond doubt ourselves.
Now that‘s balanced criticism I am fine with.
It will be slightly annoying if we buy him. Given that he went to Inter on a free last season, and Ten Hag knew him well from his Ajax days.
One of the biggest reasons why Inter were able to play out of the back. City didn't even bother pressing it at times. Night and day difference to De Gea.
Nobody is criticizing De Gea for every misplaced ball. Stop arguing in bad faith. It's the equivalent of saying that Martinez should be criticized for making any sideways pass just because Smalling was. Or that Rodri should be criticized for misplacing a pass because Fred is. Kane should be criticized for his finishing because Lukaku is. And so on.
De Gea is criticized because he is extremely bad at it by the standards of a modern top keeper (or plenty of keepers who aren't even close to being 'top'). His passing is consistently poor both in decision making and quality. Nobody expects perfection, but they rightfully expect better than 'poor'.
But everybody does criticize DDG for every misplaced ball even if the rest of his attributes description is accurate
Did he ask us if Magain was suppose to be better than Costa too?
He doesn't get criticized for each individual pass he misplaces. He gets criticized for misplacing many passes, and the passes that he does make being below average quality. It's a false equivalence.
If there was ever a wake up call it was last night watching inter break man city's press due to onana ability on the ball to the point they were doing it with less intensity as the game went on, whilst in the fa cup final we struggled to cope and looked panicky when we were passing out the back with de gea.
I envy seeing onana with the ball at his feet right near the half way line on multiple occasions last night and yet I struggle to remember de gea with the ball at his feet outside his own penalty area let alone halfway up the pitch in all the years he has been.
If people can not see how equally important it is to replace de gea as it is to get a competent striker to implement more of a style seen at ajax then enjoy another season of way far off competing with man City and top European sides
I envy seeing onana with the ball at his feet right near the half way line on multiple occasions last night and yet I struggle to remember de gea with the ball at his feet outside his own penalty area let alone halfway up the pitch in all the years he has been.
If people can not see how equally important it is to replace de gea as it is to get a competent striker to implement more of a style seen at ajax then enjoy another season of way far off competing with man City and top European sides
I think it’s because of our lack of goals up top and any mistake at the back that leads to a goal or a big chance is noticed a lot more. City/Ederson can make mistakes but will produce a lot of goal chances to score to go on and win games.
We struggle in that department at the moment, we are improving and a new striker will hopefully boost our output.
Agree with this, he was like an extra defender sometimes playing from outside the area meaning the whole team is pushed further forward. When it's De Gea trying to play out from his goal line it just invites more pressure because the opposition know he usually gives it away if he's pressed
Onana to Inter was near enough agreed in January, we started talking to managers after it was done.
Not for every pass.
You can't expect goalkeepers to hit the long ball accurately all the time.
The minimum requirement for GKs nowadays, is to deliver short and medium passes in order to recycle possesion and relieve from opponent's pressure.
De Gea rarely lob the ball to our fullbacks and his medium passes to our central midfield often invites pressure because it is a bit shorter or longer than it should be.
Makes more sense. Thanks.
Yeah was really impressed with that.
Thank you.
Fair enough. Got my doubts about Henderson though, particularly in terms of character and consistency. Definitely believe Onana is the better bet.
Henderson is forest level.
Whether he's the answer of not, I'm stick to death of being stunned seeing a goalkeeper coming out of his box and shouting for his back four to push up. When that's the norm for most top teams in Europe. Unlike so many other players before him, De Gea's been left behind, instead of being past his best. He's arguably as good as he ever was. But that isnt the role a goalkeeper plays in this day and edge.
The norm is for a back 4 to push up?
For their starting positions not to be celotaped to the 18 yard line. For a top team, absolutely is.
Don't most top teams play it out from the back? Rather than pushing up as you say, and I imagine booting it to the opposition?
Phenomenal performance. You can see how different he would change our play.
Sign him up.
Sign him up.
I applaud your patience to engage.
It's like the Rooney/Mourinho/Ole etc days. Some people just have stockholm syndrome and are far too emotionally tied to people at the club rather than looking at things more objectively. How can someone still be so obtuse and give De Gea benefit of the doubt in every way like it's going out of fashion. It's mind boggling.
Is this a black thing?
I don’t get the relevance.
What a weird thing to say.
One is a 27 year old ball playing GK from AC Milan. The other a 27 year old ball playing GK from Inter Milan.
I’d prefer the much better one.
He was available for free last year. We had good relationship with Ajax. We knew ETH may be one of the potential options we go with.
Yet, we let him go to Inter.
Yet, we let him go to Inter.
No chance we'll go for him. Pretty sure he was dropped by ETH at Ajax and they fell out. Also, didn't he get banned for drugs at one stage? Was out for quite a while.
De Gea is nowhere near as good as he once was, and personally I hate people talking like he is. It's a massive disservice to the keeper he used to be. For a good five or six years he was one of the best pure shot-stoppers in the history of the game. He's now only a bit above average. Not one of the best, not even particularly good. Literally just a bit above average. It's been one of the most clear and obvious declines that I can remember.
His best ended at the 2018 World Cup where he absolutely shit the bed for Spain, and he never came close to recovering from that in the five years since.
He was also howler-proof for a few years in his prime. He always had weaker areas of his game, but very very he rarely made eye-catching mistakes, he wasn't dropping absolute howlers like he's done against Brentford, Everton, West Ham this season off the top of my head.
his distribution & command of the area was really good. impressive in a final.
Yeah I can't see it happening with the history
Okay.
He most definitely wouldn't come here to compete with De Gea
I believe that he claimed to have taken his wife her diet pils by accident.
Ajax decided to keep paying his wages during the ban eventhough they didnt have to do that. They hoped (and expected) that Onana would return that loyality by signing a new (and even improved) deal. Onana didnt sign a new deal and wanted to leave for free. That turned the fans against him. Some of them didnt want Onana to play for them anymore if i remember correctly. They would rather see ancient Stekeleburg or Pasveer play at that time. Van der Sar, who was a director at that time, also told the media he was dissapointed in Onana.
Dont think ETH himself ever really said anything about the situation. I dont think ETH and Onana had a falling out... or atleast not public.
Massively over rated goalkeeper who is also a drugs cheat.
No thanks.
No thanks.
There wouldn’t even remotely be a competition between the two. But potentially having a £200K a week GK sitting on the bench might make some wary of joining us thinking there could be club pressure to play him over someone better.
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