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André Onana | signed for United | On a flight to NYC
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Basically they compare goalkeeper performances against a model that looks at how likely an average goalkeeper is to save each individual shot.
So those stats are telling you that over the last five seasons Allison has stopped a total of 17 goals more than you'd expect an average goalkeeper to stop. While on the other end of the scale Ramsdale has let in about 9 more goals than you'd expect from an average goalkeeper over the last four seasons.
Yeah be glad when he retires
yup, that pretty much summed it up. His lack of motivation to perform in those 6 matches was even worse than him not renewing his contract for 1 more year so Ajax could get a small fee for him that summer, despite Ajax paying him his salary during the ban, while they didn't have to.
Yet if you did it for last season only it's: Onana -2.7, De Gea, -0.7, Alison +10, Ederson -4.8.
People need to balance their expectations we'll see how he does in time but even compared to an aged De Gea shot stopping wise he's probably going to be slightly worse. If he brings other benefits that doesn't really matter as per Ederson there.
Not worry about Onana deal. We would not let De Gea leave if this isn't pretty much done deal. Striker position is what I'm worry about.
Oh yeah I know his shot stopping isn't as good
Sorry didn't realise the link I saw it was quotingThe super soaraway Sun... surprised they haven't linked us with Huw Edwards!
However, some papers saying we are £6m apart. ETH more than hinting that Henderson might be our no.1 but my guess is we'll end up selling Sancho to finance the deal
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/andre-onana-man-utd-transfer-30462475
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You never disappoint.
United never fail to take the joy out of transfers I hope the here we go is soon its getting annoying now
Harsh on De Gea too.
It can't be argued that, since @BluesJr joined RedCafe, 10 years ago, it's gone down hill.
Because Maguire is clearly world class - I mean Southgate always picks him
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come on this is bullshit, OK I will admit his form over that past few seasons has dropped, but 10 years. NO cant agree with that
Whether Souness is still a racist, im not sure, but he did call my uncle a paki in the 70s when he patted him on the back even though my uncle is half West Indian and a Liverpool fan!
He hasn't ever commanded his box, bullied inside his own 6 yard box since he signed.
Excellent shot stopper but never once a commanding figure.
Does Onana come out for crosses? We Iacked that with DDG
He can do by the looks of videos
Yes he does, he looks strong and confident while doing it too.
Maybe we’ll get an announcement later that a deals been agreed. It’s all went quiet after a flurry of updates last night saying it was very close, hopefully just working out the last minor details before we get confirmation.
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Passing to you and me yeah
The goalkeeper that plays
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Passing to you and me yeah
The goalkeeper that plays
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Yeah that's what I am hoping too
There's literally a motion picture length (1hr+) blooper reel gone viral on twitter showing DDG's calamities. It isn't hyperbolic nonsense at all. After one of the all time great shot-stopping seasons in 17/18, his shot-stopping fell of a cliff and has never recovered to better than average. Yes, he's still capable of making worldy saves but its wilful ignorance at this point to be banging this drum in 2023.
Gonna be honest, I don't like the use of post shot xG stats for goalkeepers as a metric to judge shot stopping. It's really flawed. The idea is good, but it just doesn't work and is very flawed. Better to not use it than look at shitty data. A few tweets from a guy who focuses purely on goalkeeper analytics...
Opta only looks at where the ball crosses the line and gives that a post shot xG figure essentially. Doesn't have velocity. Doesn't have trajectory, goalkeeper positioning etc. Super flawed.
Opta only looks at where the ball crosses the line and gives that a post shot xG figure essentially. Doesn't have velocity. Doesn't have trajectory, goalkeeper positioning etc. Super flawed.
Hopefully so it's a bit frustrating no here we go yet. I'm never confident or excited about our transfers because we take so long compared to other teams
The problem is for 90% of the season he plays like the best shot stopper and then for 10% he just makes massive mistakes (Everton, Brentford, city, Sevilla, west ham, etc) and it drags his totals down.
He's in the 59th percentile for collecting crosses so above average. De Gea was in the 9th percentile which I nearly rock bottom and meant he just didn't or couldn't do it.
So he's a massive improvement on De Gea in that aspect but not at someone like Courtois' level.
Slightly different to the potential other chants, is this new dance tune that I heard all over Ibiza recently. Gets stuck in your head.
Also just for reference, this is how de Gea was rated last season (other stuff is private I think, occasionally he puts out info like this).
So de Gea on the whole still had a good shot stopping season, but was pretty much right on average overall.
So de Gea on the whole still had a good shot stopping season, but was pretty much right on average overall.
Funny that overall, De Gea was only ever so slightly worse than Ederson according to Harrison's model. Which would lead you to believe that Onana will be significantly better than Ederson next season.
Doesn't have to be Alisson/Courtois level,personally if he's on a similar level to Ederson then I see that as a significant upgrade
My understanding is that Onana struggled a bit at the start of the season, which is to be expected seeing as he'd barely played for 18 months. But he then kept improving as the season wore on, so hopefully most of those shots he should have saved happened during that early period before he was up to speed.
The Sunlinks from that rag should be banned
I mean they quite literally have us over a barrel now De Gea has left. We practically have to buy him if we want to start the season with somebody in goal.
I'm dying for that Fabrizio Romano here we go Tweet...
It's more nuanced than that though. You need a goalkeeper that suits your needs. Your team as a whole improves more with a goalkeeper that suits your system and needs (and ederson apparently had a down year with his stopping). You could argue for city that preventing goals is more important than actual shot stopping, along with his distribution of course contributing to a lot of their control and being difficult to press.
With more control, you'd expect less need for shot stopping, more shot prevention, improvement in possession. De Geas numbers basically are equally good as Ederson but edersons suit a big team that controls games but de Geas suits a smaller side that doesn't care much about deep build up and will face a lot of shots.
Oh yeah definitely, it's a massive upgrade. Just trying to give some context to how good he is at it.
Very much agree with you. I think this bodes well for Onana because I expect his shot stopping to be better than Ederson's, whilst scoring similarly to him in the other categories.
Probably next week
Sources say if Andre Onana goes to Manchester he prefers to be carried via air transportation and it's definitely not a hot air balloon.
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