Yeah is hard to find examples of things Onana actually does very well. He can be a decent shot stopper at times and a calamitous one at others - an inconsistency that is more destabilizing than helpful. The thing he was supposed to allegedly excel at when he came was his distribution. Even that hasn't been particularly stellar.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
Yeah is hard to find examples of things Onana actually does very well. He can be a decent shot stopper at times and a calamitous one at others - an inconsistency that is more destabilizing than helpful. The thing he was supposed to allegedly excel at when he came was his distribution. Even that hasn't been particularly stellar.
I’m not comparing one to the other. I think there both rubbish. And we definitely need a new number 1 next season.
Shaw.
You cant really judge a goalkeepers distribution when he is in a side where he there is nearly always no one to actually distribute to
That's not entirely true. Onana now typically puts his foot on the ball, has a look round, ignores a free player, then looks back and that player is being covered. I though it seemed Bayindir on Sunday was trying to release the ball more quickly, either throws or passes.
If the story of him wanting a pay rise and bringing his agent in last week before vital game because he wants an increase and a new contract is true , then he needs to be sold immediately even at a loss!
I’m sure some team in Saudi will take him for £10m, but if the story from the Athletic is remotely true this imbecile must never play for the club again. I wound rather play any GK and get beaten on Thursday.
He represents Everything that is currently wrong with the club, he didn’t understand the 25% wage reduction for playing Europa League Football and he’s not happy which is why his form is so erratic.
I keep saying I want a British core of the best players available not because they are more expensive but because they have more affinity with the EPL, a lot of them come up through the youth ranks of multiple English teams, they understand the terrible winter weather, they understand what the fans do to support a football club and most of the time they are trying to create a wholesome comrady within the team and have shared ideologies and banter.
We need to stop recruiting foreign mercenaries, of which Andre Onana has now proven to be just that!
I’m sure some team in Saudi will take him for £10m, but if the story from the Athletic is remotely true this imbecile must never play for the club again. I wound rather play any GK and get beaten on Thursday.
He represents Everything that is currently wrong with the club, he didn’t understand the 25% wage reduction for playing Europa League Football and he’s not happy which is why his form is so erratic.
I keep saying I want a British core of the best players available not because they are more expensive but because they have more affinity with the EPL, a lot of them come up through the youth ranks of multiple English teams, they understand the terrible winter weather, they understand what the fans do to support a football club and most of the time they are trying to create a wholesome comrady within the team and have shared ideologies and banter.
We need to stop recruiting foreign mercenaries, of which Andre Onana has now proven to be just that!
Get him out of the club.
Who reported that story? It's the first I've heard of it.
I really wonder if he plays on Thursday. It's a huge call for Amorim. I don't see why Onana would be dropped just for one game. If Bayindir hadn't made that mistake I think he would be nailed on to start.
It’s got nothing to do with nationality. I don’t like Onana, and think he needs to go - but he’s not a ‘mercenary’. He’s indicative of bad decision making, lack of structure and a club without a plan. Early signs suggest, this is improving.
Arsenal have a lot of the qualities you describe, and Saka, Rice aside, how many of those players are British. I don’t like Arteta, but his players will bust a gut for him.
You have got far too emotional in this post.
Where did you read this?
It’s in daily mail and the athletic,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...amp/Andre-Onana-Man-United-transfer-wage.html
Yeah, lets get in some more proper British grafters likes Rashford and Sancho and less of them lazy forrins like Bruno and Amad.
I really have not, we no longer have a British core and that’s 50% of our problem, Newcastle have 9 or 10 British players that set the rules, set the standards and then they’ve recruited excellent imports like Isak, Bruno Gumarais, F Shar, Tonali , Linton etc.
We have no real identity, a keeper who cost us CL last season and got us knocked out of the group phase but then rolls into Carrington with his Agent for a pay rise, if that doesn’t upset you, then you don’t support United, because let me tell you that upsets every single genuine United fan.
Yes Sancho and Rashford are no better than some foreign mercenaries, however there are great young English players to rebuild around like James Trafford, J Branthwaite, M Gheui, MGW, Hayden Hackney, Chris Rigg, Adam Wharton.
Plus we have Biancheri, B Mantato, V Musa, J Fletcher, J Moorehouse, H Amass, Goodwill and many more good young homegrown players to build the squad round.
I don’t see any value in players like , Dorgu, Hojlund, Casemiro, Onana, Bayinder, Mallacia right now, we should not be recruiting young unproven players or 28/29 year olds who want huge 4/5 year contracts!
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A blend we need a British core and the. Great players like Mazroui, Bruno, Amad and others but we need British core and PL proven.
It always amazes me how many players' surnames people can write wrong. And multiple times too.
It's a big Onono
That Guimarais was a handful on Sunday.
If that's true about him not understanding his wage drop and asking for more. My God he's a bit thick as well as a shocking keeper.
To believe that you're so good but have been fecking useless at your job for 95% of your time here is mind boggling.
To believe that you're so good but have been fecking useless at your job for 95% of your time here is mind boggling.
At least he didn't let in any goals over the weekend? Take a win where a win is needed.
Our recruitment has been astonishingly bad in the past decade.
Whether it’s British players like Sancho, AWB, Maguire (relative success - just overplayed massively) to Antony, Casemiro etc etc.
We have bought badly.
If we look around at British players - some of the ones you have named are just far too expensive. Braithwaite and Gheui are £60m+ a pop. The time to buy these players is not now, but when Everton and Palace bought them. Nationality is not the problem, it’s the individual players we have bought, and then not moved on.
We need more signings like Heaven - I like his potential, but it doesn’t matter whether he’s British or not.
What we do need to do is to utilise the Academy more, rather than have the squad clogged up with mediocre players. But again - the nationality of those player, or whether we have poached them from Arsenal (feeder club!!) doesn’t matter.
You raised Newcastle as an example. Probably better to look at City over the past decade, Arsenal or Liverpool. They have a few good British players in their squads - but they go and recruit the best players, irrespective of Nationality. Players from all those clubs would bust a gut for their managers (excluding City this season).
I think Palace, Brentford, Nottingham Forrest, Villa all prove my theory, all of these teams have a strong solid core of British style players, even a player like Chris Woods is typically a British style striker. But yes they are all blended with great foreign imports that will bust a gut, most of these teams start with at least 3 or 4 British players and then add Northern European, Dutch, Scandinavian whose lifestyles and banter is similar to the UK.
United always recruited very good Dutch and Scandinavian players, those players would not be asking for a pay rise when they are 14th in the EPL.
MDL and Mazroui would not be asking for a ridiculous pay rise right now, it’s just beyond belief?
Onana is a complete buffoon. But I could just as well see someone like Rashford doing the same if he came back. Most fans are United in the opinion that Onana should be binned.
We have other threads that are piling on Mainoo because there are rumours that his agent is asking for a massive pay rise.
A lot of footballers are beyond stupid and live in a bubble.
Mainoo is on 20 k per week and his first contract was 5k per week, plus we all know he’s probably looking for £120-130k not £200k but yes agree with you modern footballers need a huge reality check with regard to wages.
You're moving the goalposts a bit. You mentioned British players to start with, now it's British 'style' players.
Liverpool disproves your theory, though, no? Apart from TAA and Robertson, their Brits are bit-part players. And City's Brits haven't shone as bright as the foreign players, have they?
I think we just need good players, regardless of their origin.
And this goalkeeper is an absolute joke.
Ok onto Liverpool Curtis Jones, Connor Bradley, Harvey Elliot, J Quansah, C Kelleher
They had A Oxlade and A Lallana regularly featuring under Klopp and the team that was second under Brendan Rogers had Sturridge, Stirling, S Gerrard.
They are bit part players as you say but all of those players in their squad walk into our first 11 especially their reserve Goalkeeper.
We need to get rid of Sancho, Rashford, Maguire, Shaw and probably Mount in the next two years and replace those 5 players with the best young British players.
Heaton and Evans have been great servants but they will leave this summer too, we need to be smart in the market.
I am one of the few fans that would love us to sign DeLap if we can beat Chelsea to him, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like Gykores or Osimhen, of course I would but we need 2 Centre Forwards and two number 10’s to be a top 6/8 team again. This squad is so woefully short of goals that if Anyony, Garnaucho, Hojlund, Rashford, Sancho all leave, then we need 4 replacements.
We need a left footed inside right striker/10 like Brian Mbeumo or F Trincao whose experienced, Either go get Osimhen or De lap as number 9 and make Cunha the first transfer of the window as inside left 10. Tyler Dibbing is also a great option as well.
The fact that this story is breaking this week is the very reason that Onana should never play for the club again ever!
As long as that new contract is at another club I’m all for it.
Try reading the room you absolute helmet.
Try reading the room you absolute helmet.
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I like his guts to bring his agent after Lyon game to ask for a better salary OR question about his 25% cut for not qualifying champions league
I have a feeling he wants to move some where else and started making moves.
I have a feeling he wants to move some where else and started making moves.
I wouldn't call him a good shot stopper. He often makes easy shots look more spectacular. There was one instance, can't recall which game, where he made what I thought was a great save to his left, when in reality his positioning was off, and instead of making a meal out of it, other goalies would have taken a step and put their full body behind the shot. He is quite good when the ball is close to him, and sometimes that can be much harder than it looks. However, he looks heavy, doesn't have much of a jump on him, and his reach is mostly quite poor.
What pains me is that he has shown that he can be great with the ball. He has brilliant composure, can hit those passes in between opposition players to set up attacks - he had a period where he often found Bruno with those, but that was some time ago. He can hit them long very well, but for United, it has been very hit and miss.
I think the fundamental problem with Onana is he doesn't inspire confidence and stability, which is basically the kiss of death for a keeper. Every time he has the ball I get nightmare flashbacks of the feeling I used to have 22 years ago when Barthez was here. Ultimately, those watching games want to feel some degree of confidence that another keeper mistake isn't always imminent, whereas Onana provides the polar opposite.
Not saying I disagree, but City have proven that may not be all that necessary. Liverpool also. I think there are plenty of British players with a poor mentality.
There was a lot of talk about the United way, and that clearly involved a British core and players coming through the ranks. We also played with speed and attacking football, but it seems like eons ago, and is there even a shred of that United DNA left?
I agree. A goalie needs to inspire confidence. Great teams have great strikers and great goalkeepers - both are essential to a great team. We have neither.
You are seriously way, way too emotionally invested in this agent thing.
I understand that Onana's not top of anyone's Christmas card list here but considering that, given the huge question marks around him, his future is very much likely to be up in the air this summer it makes sense that his agent is speaking to the club accordingly.
Fans honestly need to get some perspective with players and agents. They don't think like we do, and nor should they. At the end of the day, they'll always try to get the best deal for themselves just the same way that the clubs do, and that's exactly how it should be.
I don't know if it's just me but the discourse around Onana at this stage has reached Harry Maguire levels.
I understand that he's been shite. I want him sold this summer like the vast majority of fans. But at this stage, it feels like he's getting eviscerated for literally EVERYTHING he says or does, and it makes any discussion around him completely fecking tiresome.
I understand that he's been shite. I want him sold this summer like the vast majority of fans. But at this stage, it feels like he's getting eviscerated for literally EVERYTHING he says or does, and it makes any discussion around him completely fecking tiresome.
Quick question if Sir Alex was our manager now in his mid 60’s not mid 80’s how do you think that version of Sir Alex would solve the current problems, very similar to the way he solved it in the mid 80’s to early 90’s, he got rid of the drinking culture and attitude with in the club and built his own around young British talent like Keane, Irwin, Bruce, Hughes, Ribson, Palister, Ince, Parker then he added Mavericks like Cantona, RVN, RVP, Ronaldo, Teves, Rooney.
He recruited men that knew what it took to win and he encouraged the British rivalry and banter among the English/Welsh/Scottish and Irish players and then he added a strong Scandinavian influx of players with Dutch, French, and South American flair, he could adapt he was willing to go from a 442 to a modern 433 and was able to adapt however he would want a British core to build round,
if he was in his mid 60’s right now and asked to rebuild the club in 2025?
He’s simply too heavy to be an agile goalkeeper, he will never have cat like reflexes like David De Gea and just takes too long to spring attacks too.
No one is disputing that but surely there is a time and a place to let a story like this break out. You talk about agents like they are essential to the club improving, we just spent the third most on football Agents in the last 12 months and sit 14th in the EPL, please explain to me how that £30m+ has benefited and improved the club in the last 12 months.
Most of those fees were probably spent on Zirkzee and as good as he’s been recently he will finish this PL season scoring 3 Goals and 1 assists from 32 Appearances.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-club-highest-payments-agents-man-united.html