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Ander Herrera is the most complete midfielder in the league
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90% sure he's an United fan.
FWIW complete =/= best, and the two aspects shouldn't be conflated.
Gerrard was more complete than Pirlo, but he wasn't considered a superior midfielder.
Drogba was more complete than Van Nistelrooy, but he wasn't considered a better striker.
Pique was more complete than Puyol, but he wasn't considered the better defender of the two.
And so forth. The thread isn't necessarily to crown him the best player at his position in the league, but to highlight the argument that he might just be the most well rounded midfielder with little in the way of glaring technical or physical flaws when compared with some of his illustrious peers.
Gerrard was more complete than Pirlo, but he wasn't considered a superior midfielder.
Drogba was more complete than Van Nistelrooy, but he wasn't considered a better striker.
Pique was more complete than Puyol, but he wasn't considered the better defender of the two.
And so forth. The thread isn't necessarily to crown him the best player at his position in the league, but to highlight the argument that he might just be the most well rounded midfielder with little in the way of glaring technical or physical flaws when compared with some of his illustrious peers.
Or the opposite. Cleverley was bad at everything and Ander is good at everything
Wouldn't really say there's a bunch better really. Fabregas, Matic, Carrick... About it IMO.
Cazorla has probably had a better season?
He's a smashing player and a breath of fresh air since he came here. Obviously there are better, but I am glad we have him. We call Real fans spoilt, but we are just as great at throwing our own players under a bus. Get the right players in that midfield with him and we will be a force to be reckoned with.
God awful today
He's brilliant. Can't wait to see him again next season.
I think Fabregas is more complete
Still see him more of a attacking midfielder then central midfielder really, and when in center mid I think Herrera is better, but Cazorla better as a 10 or whatever.
Tempted to say he's our best player, could do with a clone of his to play in Fellaini's position.
What's not to like? A fabulous player who makes us tick and got a knack for scoring goals.....That he says things like '' We are Manchester United and we are not afraid'' (on facing Arsenal in the FA Cup QF) is just gravy....
Big mistake to take him off in that F.A.Cup match.
Well put. It's quite difficult to compare midfielders (much easier with strikers/wingers/defenders). Best DM in the league is Matic, best AM Fabregas/Silva, but Herrera does seem the most complete. His long range passing isn't bad I think, he just usually looks for short pass.
He is great, but maybe he can bulk up a bit, i'm not sure though, but that is the only thing he really misses and a better long range pass.
Indeed he was.
wouldn't mind if he had twin brothers, all to play in our midfield, insane allrounder, much better defensively than Scholes, lacking only the rocket shot and long range passing but he's class at all other aspects of his game..
The idea that the "most complete" CM isn't the best is bizarre tbh. If I had to describe a central midfielder to somebody who had never watched football before I'd describe them as someone who is always in the right place and is the best on his team at passing the ball. Which is probably the two weakest aspects to Herrera's game. But he's the "most complete" CM in the league? Well, ok.
He was very good today, I agree (although Ramsey was probably the best CM on the pitch). He was also out-classed by McCarthy and Barry at Goodison Park very recently.
He's been one of the few positives of our season and has the makings of a really top player. Attracts some crazy hyperbole for a player who's still settling in, though. Reminiscent of Anderson and Kagawa.
I'm hopeful he's made of sterner stuff than both of them. Seems like a really smart guy. Which can only bode well. People are getting really carried away about him, though, and have been all season.
no way he is.. he's maybe better playmaker but he can't run or defend
Everyone at their best he isn't our best I don't think, but in terms of keeping a consistently high level, I don't think anybody else in our squad has their average level as good as his, at least not in this season (apart from Carrick). He's very good pretty much every game. Mata, Di Maria, Rooney, and Van Persie at their best are among the best in the world, but they've all been so inconsistent this season.
Other than sometimes not watching his runner(Which Herrera himself does a lot too), Fabregas has actually defended quite well this season.
Im not sure if he's the most complete, i doubt it but he's a cracking player and puts in 100 percent everytime. Love his attitude.
I know, it still grates lol......Well, at least the Gaffer seems to rate him highly now. Credit to Hererra for never losing his patience....
Another top summer recruit which came with all the negativity of we didn't get Fabregas and some started doubting his quality before he even kicked a ball! Like Mata, he is one of my favorites from the current players.
Fabregas is definately the more complete cnut.
Who are they?
Oh I though you just meant central midfielders, not midfielders in general. Then you are right in your original statement there.
No doubt Carrick is important for us but it's no coincidence our team really started to connect and play as a team once he came in earlier in the season.
I was going to say something along those lines, but not with that word.
I think he is a ghastly little man, who disappears towards the end of the season.Matic, Carrick, Fabregas, Schniederlin, Toure
Toure is not a central midfielder. He isn't bothered to do what a central midfielder should be doing.
I disagree with the OP's assessment.
Carrick is nearer to the end of his career than the peak. Schniederlin looks good for Southampton, but so do a lot of players. It will be interesting to see if he can step up or if he is another Lallana/Lovren who have gone to a relatively big club and look out of their depth. Toure is just a knobhead. Fabregas see Toure. The only one I wish we had is Matic. Herrera has not looked out of place against any of them this season.
The timing of this thread is gas too. Started at half-time, in a game where Cazorla had an absolute stinker, allowing United to boss midfield. As soon as Arsenal replaced him they won the midfield battle and began to exploit the gaping holes that have been all too apparent whenever we've fielded Herrera and Blind together, without Carrick's nous to plug all the holes they leave behind them. Wilshere's been a figure of fun on here for yonks but had the run of midfield for most of the second half.
That's what we need isn't it, a spine to the team, it appears a new goalie, a dominant, composed leader at CB, a Carrick replacement and a bloody striker.
I remember when some on here thought Anderson was the next messiah.
Yes Herrera is good - but he's not as good as the OP suggests. Not yet anyway
Give him a proper partner next year and he can keep improving. Give him time, but cut out the hyperbole.
Yes Herrera is good - but he's not as good as the OP suggests. Not yet anyway
Give him a proper partner next year and he can keep improving. Give him time, but cut out the hyperbole.
For me he is the most complete midfielder in the PL and is only going to improve in his 2nd season.
Great player, love him.
He's adequate>good at everything he does, exceptional at nothing however, he lacks Carricks rythmic tempo as a no.6, he cant screen a defence like a Matic/Schneiderlin, he cant play defence splitting passes like a Fabregas or run at a defence and drive up the field like a Toure, neither
Those players are exceptional in those particular specific areas they specialise in.
Those players are exceptional in those particular specific areas they specialise in.
A good player who can shine and be very good in the right team.
But will he ever be considered a top 10 world class midfielder? I doubt it.
He might mature, but as of now he lacks the tactical awareness and ability to drive the team through tough games that we should expect from a Manchester United midfielder.
Oh, and that isn't meant to be another "oh gawd, we need another roy kean plz" comment.
Love him as a player though, and I'm sure he'll get even better if we can successfully replace Carrick.
But will he ever be considered a top 10 world class midfielder? I doubt it.
He might mature, but as of now he lacks the tactical awareness and ability to drive the team through tough games that we should expect from a Manchester United midfielder.
Oh, and that isn't meant to be another "oh gawd, we need another roy kean plz" comment.
Love him as a player though, and I'm sure he'll get even better if we can successfully replace Carrick.
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