It felt right...
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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jojojo you should give some insight to Woody.
I can't wait til all this blows over. Transfer forum should be locked until January.
There's no VAT on international transfers. It's a red herring, no more. Bilbao brought it up last year to try get more money off Bayern. Basically, "pay me 10-15% more and I'll agree instead of paying the taxman 21%". Bayern told them to feck off, as you would if you knew what you were doing.
Every report indicates that is the case. SW mentions our transfers people being a bit green and hopeful that Athletic would lower their demands under pressure.
If this Summer is anything to go by, that is very likely the case, we seem to be under the illusion clubs which don't want to part with their players will somehow collapse under pressure and lower their demands at the 11th hour. feck knows how anyone could think that would work.
We won't, we keep insisting he wasn't worth that much and will never get him for any less. Hopefully it being January and him not being cup tied may raise our valuation or else we are destined to look like numpties again come January.
It felt right...
Someone needs to tweet that. Definitely deserves to go viral. Haha!
...In their bid not to sound like amateurs who'd left it too late, they managed to look like clowns
In fact, right now I'm visualising Woodward in big clown shoes sat on a minibike. Someone, please - make it happen
After all your efforts I'm stunned no one obliged. I'm no Top but here you go:
If he has a storming first half of the season then his valuation will rise further. But I think the bigger question is whether the lad would want to join us after the amount of shit he went through the other day.
When I originally posted the "confirmation" to charley he was very dismissive of it overall, not just the imposters thing, basically saying Utd would never say something like that if the lawyers did represent the club etc. Now he's completely dismissing the Herrera stuff (far more fact based), it's all a bit silly really.
I'm not sure who the hell these lawyers represented but it's far more likely to be a massive football club than a footballer.
He seemed very careful not to burn any bridges in his press conference. If anything, the way he dealt with it should make him go up a couple of million
Its quite depressing that we're even talking about fecking lawyers any way.
Your man Andy Mitten seemed to insinuate that people close to the deal and who had out a lot of work into it were annoyed by outside influences meddling and fecking things up. At least that was what he seemed to insinuate. How much he would be in the know as to what scuppered it is anyone's guess, mind you.
It's mostly guess work and probably best not to jump to conclusions either way, of course when people debate on the Caf they tend to overblow things to try and justify the side they're on.
As you say though, seems a bit farcical that the lawyers are such a predominant feature in all this. In reality these lawyers probably only had a minimal impact on the whole thing anyway, considering how late we left it, our tight transfer fee structure, Athletic's stance on release clause's, tax etc etc.
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Listened to his press conference before it got take down, they asked him if the lawyers at the lfp quarters where employed by him and he said no, he didn't know who they were.
They also asked if he had talked to United representatives before they contracted Bilbao and he said "no, first they needed to pay the clause before we could sat down so they could "seduce" him with an offer, but since United didn't, he didn't speak to anyone, which I don't believe by the way. He also said that he was honoured that a big club like United were interested in him, repeated this a few times during the presser aswell, but that he was happy at Bilbao.
Another question was if he was undergoing the medical which he denied, he was at home all the time. Not at the Lfp facilities.
United tried to negotiate about the price with Athletic, but they wouldn't listen to offers and wanted the full buy out clause.
Then a journo asked him if he had somehow tried to buy his way out with a supposed wage cut and he simply said no, which didn't sound very convincing to be honest. Damage limitation there aswell.
One of the last questions was : "If United had stumped up the cash for the clause, would you have considered the move?"
To which he replied:"I can't answer hypothetical questions, if they pay the clause you can ask me then."
I'm probably forgetting one or two things but as the clip is taken down I can't rewatch it.
He's a good lad
Anyone reckon this will be done in January? From the quotes, it seems like he has damn near broke the door down regarding a move to us, never mind leaving it slightly ajar..
*Muppet mode on*
Total "come get me" plea.
Moyesy baby, make it be.
Total "come get me" plea.
Moyesy baby, make it be.
That's if another club doesn't come in and slap the 36 million on the table straight off instead of pissing around.
Which one of Chelsea or City are bound to do in January.
Aww...
If we are still interested, there is absolutely no reason not to do it in January.
1) He will not be cup-tied.
2) His price-tag will not increase.
Those are the two main reasons I can think of why clubs, specifically us, don't sign players mid-season. Herrera is one of the rare players neither of these will affect. If we don't move for him in January then it's very safe to say that our interest is over.
1) He will not be cup-tied.
2) His price-tag will not increase.
Those are the two main reasons I can think of why clubs, specifically us, don't sign players mid-season. Herrera is one of the rare players neither of these will affect. If we don't move for him in January then it's very safe to say that our interest is over.
feck doing it in January. The time to get started on this is now.
Agreed. We won't though.
Agree actually. If we announced say tomorrow that we have agreed a deal to bring him in on January 1st, a lot of heat will be off Woodward (and Moyes). Obviously Bilbao and, more importantly, Herrera would probably be more favorable to leaving it until January.
We will probably launch a bid at 11:59pm on Jauary 31st. But only £25m. drevilfinger.jpg
This is what they should have been doing yesterday, proactive rather than fannying around like they did all summer.
Yup. As I said earlier, it's not a very big club mentality. We just seem be trying our luck most of the time looking to save a bit here and there. If we continue this way, it's going to lead to lots of players being missed out so we might have to get very used to not only rejections but us being genuinely in for players but not getting them due to our own strategy.
We will on January the 31st 10.59pm.
Athletic aren't in europe are they? So he wouldn't be cup-tied at all?
If the reports are to believe I imagine Moyes will want to do some more scouting prior to January, but if high enough on our target list to go for this summer then you'd think, barring someone becoming available that wasn't prior to this, we'd be back in for him as soon as it's possible.
If the reports are to believe I imagine Moyes will want to do some more scouting prior to January, but if high enough on our target list to go for this summer then you'd think, barring someone becoming available that wasn't prior to this, we'd be back in for him as soon as it's possible.
Nope, they had a shite season last year finishing 12th. All the more reason for us to go back in for him in January.
Do you really think Bilbao would play Herrera much, if at all, if we announced we agreed a deal right now? No chance IMO. That interview seemed a lot like damage limitation, to try and smooth things over with the club, and there was pretty much nothing else he could have said that would help him keep the same position at his club right now.
The fact the manager benched him against Madrid despite him insisting he wanted to play speaks volumes. We should let it go for a month or two so Moyes can do his further scouting before making another move. He will be pleasantly surprised, just needs to take his "Everton player valuation" hat off.
Doubt City would beat us to him, Chelsea though... His sister lives in London.
I think it's more the club that needs to take its "circa-2005 valuation" hat off in fairness. But yeah, take a month or two to figure out this clause business too...
Thanks for that. AS.com version of it.
http://as.com/diarioas/2013/09/04/english/1378306153_126430.html
Hope we get it done and don't feck around in January.
Redemption lies this way Mr. Woodward. Get Herrera in while January is still in single digits and you might well survive.
Yep. First, have an inquest into this summer's feckups and figure out exactly what went wrong. Second, fix it so those problems so they don't happen again. Third, get our January transfers sorted now.
So I assume this quote is BS?
Fair enough, although there have been reports of Moyes being quite strict in establishing the maximum offer he would be comfortable with. That doesn't mean it is him suggesting an opening offer of 26M for Fabregas, of course, but it indicates meeting the release clause would be his call.
The release clause business is not rocket science once you are willing to meet it. There's no VAT on international transfers. There could be income tax if the player receives the money to make a deposit, but that just means the deposit must be made by the club.
The only question mark is development fees to Zaragoza and whether those apply on top of the release clause or Bilbao have to honour them from the money they receive (which is the sort of thing the Laffer chaps would have been investigating on our behalf when asking the LFP for Herrera's contract, I presume the answer was we had to pay that on top
, it's actually a very simple explanation for us to pull out of what already seemed like an expensive deal).- Status