Agree on Valencia. It does give us quite an odd look midfield though, of Mata and 2 wingers. Blind will have to work hard!
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Agree on Valencia. It does give us quite an odd look midfield though, of Mata and 2 wingers. Blind will have to work hard!
Why do you hate Herrera?
I know it's ridiculous and laughable but we do...he ahs all the tools, he just has a body like a car wreck and has given up playing football, but Anderson at his best is exactly what we need in a Herrera understudy for the diamond formation. He can run with the ball, can defend (not through excellent slide tackling, but otherwise he;s OK) and can pass well over short distances - only problem is all these attributes are inconsistent and he's never fully fit or able to give more than 65 minutes!!
*pulls hair out*
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-manchester-united-fitness-everton?CMP=twt_gu
Louis van Gaal’s injury crisis is easing as the Manchester United manager begins to reduce the list of 10 unavailable players before Sunday’s visit of Everton.
Marouane Fellaini has been back in full training since the start of the week after the ankle injury he suffered in late August and Van Gaal will leave it until the last possible moment to decide whether he can call him into squad for Sunday.
The Belgian had appeared set to leave the club on a loan or permanent deal but the ankle issue prevented any possibility of this occurring and Fellaini recently signalled his determination to fight for a place.
Ander Herrera, whose place in the matchday 18 Fellaini would take, has told friends that his fractured rib is not overly painful and he is aiming to return in less than three weeks, immediately after the international break, for the trip to West Bromwich Albion on 20 October.
The Spaniard’s ability to do so depends on his pain threshold when starting to run again in training rather than any risk of aggravating the problem.
Phil Jones, who injured a hamstring playing for England this month, has started training once more on grass but only in light sessions, away from the main first-team squad. Jones has joined Michael Carrick, who is recovering from ankle ligament damage, but the match with Everton is expected to come to soon.
Louis van Gaal’s injury crisis is easing as the Manchester United manager begins to reduce the list of 10 unavailable players before Sunday’s visit of Everton.
Marouane Fellaini has been back in full training since the start of the week after the ankle injury he suffered in late August and Van Gaal will leave it until the last possible moment to decide whether he can call him into squad for Sunday.
The Belgian had appeared set to leave the club on a loan or permanent deal but the ankle issue prevented any possibility of this occurring and Fellaini recently signalled his determination to fight for a place.
Ander Herrera, whose place in the matchday 18 Fellaini would take, has told friends that his fractured rib is not overly painful and he is aiming to return in less than three weeks, immediately after the international break, for the trip to West Bromwich Albion on 20 October.
The Spaniard’s ability to do so depends on his pain threshold when starting to run again in training rather than any risk of aggravating the problem.
Phil Jones, who injured a hamstring playing for England this month, has started training once more on grass but only in light sessions, away from the main first-team squad. Jones has joined Michael Carrick, who is recovering from ankle ligament damage, but the match with Everton is expected to come to soon.
Jamie "di Maria hasn't agreed terms and is still in Spain" Jackson.
Fellaini being back is not a positive. The longer he's injured, the better.
Eventually we're going to sell him, having him keep his value by playing the odd game isn't that bad.
Van Gaal won't be using him anyway unless he really wants to, or believes he has something to add.
Him wasting away on the bench won't sit well with potential suitors, though. It would've been better for us if he stayed injured until we could sell, or a few weeks beforehand, that way we have the excuse of "he wasn't match fit" when we try to fob him off to somebody.
Really disappointed with his injury obviously. We'll miss him against Everton. Barry looked really suss against Liverpool and Herrera pressing him and hounding him would have been good. Hopefully we don't lose too much in the midfield though.
It's funny, but he isn't going to close a United player over a Liverpool player. Henderson has been good to be fair, however, I would take Herrera.
Even if Carragher had said they're about the same level it would be a lie. Herrera is significantly better than Henderson, and that's not my Man Utd myopia affecting my brain. I can admit that Henderson is among the best options England have in centre-midfield, but if Herrera was English he'd be a nailed on starter for our national team.
Herrera is definitely technically better. Worrying that Henderson is one of Englands better options.
Agree. He gives a lot of perspiration and effort and with space he can hit a good long pass too but, in effect, he's just an upgrade on Delph. If Wilshere ever managed to hit his top form again, and keep it, he'd be head and shoulders above the rest of England's other midfielders. We've just called up Shelvey, again a less good version of Henderson.
Going back to Ander I hope he does not get mixed up in the match fixing trial in Spain. I saw Gabi got done today. Atleti will miss him massively. Bad enough Ander has a broken rib (Jamie Jackson says he broke it first half and played on until he couldn't anymore), the idea of losing him for an extended period is horrible.
He's sitting on the fence there.
That is a worry. I just hope he is not involved and that if he was he was just fooled into doing something. He loves Zaragoza, it's his club I think not Bilbao. Until the names of the players who were given money comes out we will be non the wiser.
Just to clarify, Gabi testified today but denied any knowledge of the match being fixed. At present there's nothing to suggest he'll be suspended by the LFP or Atletic, or put on trial. His comment that, "I just did what the club asked," referred to him being given €85k by the club and handing it back to the club president. He says he didn't ask why, but assumed it was to keep it hidden from the club's creditors.
It's believed over €1m was laundered in this way with a dozen players involved. If Ander was involved then hopefully it was unwittingly of the real intentions.
The saga so far is in:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/la-liga-match-fixing-trial.397220/
Henderson is a very good player and seems to be very underrated on here. I'd say Herrera edges for me slightly now due to being technically simply better and I think he will become a much better player than him but Henderson in the last 12 months has been brilliant. He was one of the big reasons that Liverpool looked so good in the title hunt.
I seriously am worried about the match against Everton, i really believe along with Di Maria, he is already our 2nd most important player, all of our good moves starts with him, and he is so intelligent, you will see him at the start of the moves combining with Rafael to create chances and when he sees Di Maria moves out to the Wing, he goes back along with Blind just to give him a cover and make us solid, while he covers the most ground in our matches, and against a team like Everton who presses, he has the technical ability to keep the ball and keep things ticking, while defensively his blocks, his pressing, tackles, this guy is a complete package we will miss him immensely, i really hope he is back after the international break.
I love watching Ander play. He just gets involved everywhere, and he's surprisingly efficient on the ball. Plus, he's shown intelligence and discipline that has made him a perfect foil to di Maria playing as a pseudo-central midfielder.
His injury's going to really hurt us. His dynamic presence in the middle of the park brings the best out of everyone.
His injury's going to really hurt us. His dynamic presence in the middle of the park brings the best out of everyone.
A lot of under rating of Henderson in this thread. He'd be a great option for us, although I think Herrera is a better player.
Henderson reminds me of Fletcher back before he was ill.
Henderson reminds me of Fletcher back before he was ill.
Manchester United central midfielder in European team of the month. Get in !
Manchester United central midfielder in European team of the month. Get in !
Or, get out!
Edit: And a Barca centerback? (And isn't Mathieu a fullback?)
Payet listed as a CM and no Fabregas tells you that it's a stupid joke.
Center back. I think he played at the left quite a lot for Valencia.
Barca had 6 clean sheets in a row.
Mathieu has been a center half for over a year and Barcelona's defence has been fine this season.
As Kroos supposedly pulled out of the transfer because LvG got the job, isn't it a bit of a pointless argument they are making. I am very happy that we got LvG and Ander. Someone who wanted to play for us, not someone who is scared shitless of the manager.
I think we did.
Weird comparison given that we've just only started the season. I suppose journos have to write something to get their website clicks.
Agree. If we had a more solid defensive midfield maybe Kroos would have been the better option, but not onlyis Herrera accomplished going forward, he adds a lot more steel to our midfield. It does, however, show why Di Maria was a necessary buy rather than the luxury he was initially made out to be. I think we've done good business with the midfielders we brought in. We didn't just buy for the sake of buying, but bought with a system in mind.
Blind (mainly defensive, but can get forward if needed)
Di Maria (mainly attacking but can defend when needed)
Herrera (an ideal go-between to link the the two)
Our concern in midfield now is quantity rather than quality. When one of these players in unavailable (tomorrow) it really does show up the scarcity of our midfield options.
Always thought myself we were better suited to Herrera than Kroos. Moyes with Kroos would have continued our slow zombie passing style. We needed someone with the dynamism and athleticism of Herrera even at the slight expense of lesser technical ability.
Kroos could have succeeded Scholes here, he's a world class midfielder. Right now though, Herrera has proven a great partner to di Maria in a system that is working, offensively at least.
We could have done with both but not sure how they'd have fitted in together.
We probably would've asked the same question regarding Herrera, di Maria, Rooney, Falcao and van Persie.
Yes, because Herrera is dynamic - something we've been missing for ages. Kroos, as good as he is, wouldn't give us that. That said, I wouldn't have minded both. A midfield three of say:
Carrick (DLP)
Herrera (engine) - Kroos (creator)
We'll miss Herrera a lot, in my opinion.Herrera (engine) - Kroos (creator)
I think so too, when Herreras not on the pitch we just dont seem to have the same control we do when hes on it. His ability to break things up and get forward will be missed.
Heres to hoping Carrick is back so we have him cover for Blind and Blind can move further up the pitch to cover Herrera as our midfield engine
He's obviously a gutsy little beggar as well, he played on with that broken rib, when some go off with the slightest twinge.
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