Stop it, mate, you are talking way too much sense here! You are ruining the party!
Obviously, you are right. You win as a team, and United has clearly decided to play shite as a team.
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Stop it, mate, you are talking way too much sense here! You are ruining the party!
Obviously, you are right. You win as a team, and United has clearly decided to play shite as a team.
I'd actually say Herrera was dominating Shelvey in that battle. He kept drawing Shelvey into making stupid fouls.
I'm giving him a free pass for a few games as he's not used to English football but I don't think he did a whole lot today, I was getting abuse from Arsenal fans asking me why Herrera wasn't playing after the 1st half. I do think he needs a proper CM alongside him.
It was his first premier league game, no amount of preseason games can prepare you for it. I'm sure he will have a good season. He will learn from this game.
Lets be honest, his first game aside against Galaxy, he's been a bit 'meh'.
Shelvey dominated so much that he was leaving something extra on Herrera in every challenge he made. Wow such dominance. Such ability.
We lost control of the game completely the moment he came off. It was a bizzare decision to take him off. He didn't set anything alight but there were 6 or 7 comfortably worse performances today.
We lost control of the game completely the moment he came off. It was a bizzare decision to take him off. He didn't set anything alight but there were 6 or 7 comfortably worse performances today.
It is why he hasn't looked great since the second half against LA Galaxy where he played a far more attacking role imo.
I think he has been asked to play that deep, but it creates a gulf in between the midfield and the attack that isn't too dissimilar from last season because Mata is playing fairly high as well.
I partly hope we get an out and out DM to allow him more freedom to get forward and link play, but at the same time even if it was just someone more dynamic he might feel more confident getting forward from time to time.
His stats from today are pretty poor. From what I remember 0 tackles, 1 interception and hardly any attacking stats, but they rarely paint the whole picture when used on their own. I was there and from what I saw with my own eyes he had a decent (if unspectacular) game and we were definitely a lot poorer after he was subbed off. He will get better as he settles in and hopefully we get him a better partner.
He could get more involved but he didn't really play poorly, whenever he got the ball he looked pretty good. They were just constantly fouling him.
Probably, but it will take time. The potential is there. He'll start to regularly reproduce form like what he showed in that game regularly in the Premier League. Needs to get used to the physicality.
I can't believe some of this in here, he's bought to help the situation, and he didn't have a mare. He needs time to adjust to the PL, and a supporting cast to match our ambitions, sadly his fellow cast members aren't up to speed at the moment.
Give the lad a chance. This was his first professional game at the club. Patience!
If it's any consolation most (non-Utd supporting) La Liga followers agree with you. He's a good player but that's about it, not worth the price but not a terrible player either - just a decent addition to your squad without being spectacular. People keep getting ahead of themselves by saying he's Spain's future and all that nonsense when even with this move he'll still only be on the fringes of the squad, nevermind the starting line-up. His career has been blighted by inconsistency so that's something he needs to fix.
That said, whoever in the last page said he is part of the solution, not THE solution has it bang on. He gets an easy ride from some of your fans who are just glad to get a new midfielder in, but he also gets a rough ride from those who expect him to change everything on his own.
I am very surprised at this comment to be honest. Especially in the first few minutes he fouled Herrera hard and looked to go in and chin him. Shelvey could have been booked at least twice if not 3 times. He got away with excessive fouling then was booked for comically kicking the ball away.
Was impressed with Herrera - we need to lighten his defensive duties until he acclimatizes to this league. It's faster, and more physically powerful than I think he is at the moment.
Crazy how the same people praising him all preseason have thrown it all away and questioning him because he didn't have a great game. Was Evra's debut a good one? Vidic?
It was his first match, he needs time. He shouldn't have the pressure from fans to save our midfield.
It was his first match, he needs time. He shouldn't have the pressure from fans to save our midfield.
Give him a full season before you judge him not just one game.
I don't understand the point of criticising a player who had just played is first league game for his new club.
He look sensible and would adopt quicker.
He look sensible and would adopt quicker.
He got the 'welcome to the league' treatment but I thought he handled it pretty well. The positive I take is that he can link midfield and attack better than we have done for awhile, I think his relationship with Mata will only get stronger.
I thought he did well. Excited to see how he does once settles in properly and we start playing like a real team.
He was too quiet in the first half, didn't want to get on the ball and control things. Just when he started doing that in the second half, LVG substitutes him.
I think he is struggling with the aggression and speed of the English league. Hopefully I am wrong.
It's the usual caf way. Completely schizophrenic in terms of judging player performance. They'll be branded "shite" because they're not dribbling past 3 players or scoring wonder goals every other game.
I thought he did reasonably well for his first game in a new league. The posts about Shelvey "dominating" him are ridiculous; he was clearly being fouled repeatedly. Will continue to get better, and obviously having a more mobile player than Fletcher alongside him would help.
Remember how Athletic Bilbao schooled us? I think he will be okay. But most of the players around him are the problem.
Don't think so. Not sure why so many people are saying this, he coped quite well and just got up and kept playing. Just because Swansea decided to try to kick him all game doesn't mean is struggling with the physicality, I can't remember him being outmuscled off the ball once actually. They just kept fouling him.
The only thing you could criticize him for today would probably be that he could have got more involved in the first half.
Many can't understand the sorry state our squad is in at the moment. If we look at things from a big club perspective, Herrera is just a common signing. He shouldn't stand up above anyone else. Take Juventus for example Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo, Pogba are equally if not better then him.
The problem is that at United we have so many shit players that for us Herrera is some kind of an extraordinary talent. Bottom line of the story, Herrera is a step into the right direction. He's not the solution to our problem. No wonder why so many experts had predicted a quite big number of signings
The problem is that at United we have so many shit players that for us Herrera is some kind of an extraordinary talent. Bottom line of the story, Herrera is a step into the right direction. He's not the solution to our problem. No wonder why so many experts had predicted a quite big number of signings
I'm not suggesting that he is bullied off the park. I am saying that he is not used to it. He probably outmuscled every aggressors but he is not used to be doing that while playing his normal game. Having to mix them up, plus playing at a relatively faster speed, might be a new thing for him. Anyway, just as many in here are saying, it's only one game. Hopefully I am proven wrong yet again.
I thought he played quite well yesterday, specially in the second half. Was surprised to see him getting substituted and we definitely lost our momentum once he was gone.
Did well considering he had feck all in terms of space and time to exploit on offense.
I'd say they're all clearly better than him.
Vidal is, Pogba will probably be shortly, He's around Marchisio level.
Pogba is already better than Herrera IMHO, Vidal and Pirlo are clearly better and you're right Marchisio is probably at the same level.
Watched Alexis Sanchez yesterday and thought he was pretty underwhelming. The foreign players coming into this league get a shock at the pace and physicality of it. They will adapt. They have to. I thought Herrera did better than some of our players who have always played here. So not too worried about him.
I don't think he was bought to be the main midfielder, or at least he shouldn't have been. He was a Moyes target and he wanted Kroos as well and of course we didn't get him. Typical of our club to do things half arsed.
Exactly Herrera isn't the problem, unfortunately some of his team mates are. Woodward is going to live up to his bragging.
Well its hard to make a direct judgement like that, given the midfielders around each of the names you mention and the midfielders around Herrera. Not saying you're wrong, but its a harsh call to make right now.
Why are people criticising him? He wasn't bad at all yesterday. I thought he looked quite good. Good touch, played a few inventive passes here and there. Given how badly we played he did well.
The lad showed he wouldn't be intimidated by all the fouling and won't be scared to give some back. If that had been some of our other players, they would have been hiding in the dugout.
Individually then they're better than him, not trying to be too harsh, just giving my honest opinion having seen play mostly for Bilbao. Herrera will be a great buy for us and will improve to become a better player.
I agree with you, he's a new player, he's Spanish and he's young and he has poor or aging teammates in midfield. One player was never going to change anything in our midfield performances let alone a promising one who still has everything to prove at the highest level. It's beyond stupid to leave this late with one CM signing, fecking stupid situation to be in again
But typical of us, you must admit.Individually then they're better than him, not trying to be too harsh, just giving my honest opinion having seen play mostly for Bilbao. Herrera will be a great buy for us and will improve to become a better player.
I agree with you, he's a new player, he's Spanish and he's young and he has poor or aging teammates in midfield. One player was never going to change anything in our midfield performances let alone a promising one who still has everything to prove at the highest level. It's beyond stupid to leave this late with one CM signing, fecking stupid situation to be in again
What has it got to take for us to finally get it ?
Unfortunately for us, another year out of the CL and the club being hit in the pocket. It's only one game though, so hopefully that won't happen.
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