As I said, I dont expect him to put in world class performances as a DM, because he isnt a DM. However the overrating of a "decent" performance on here is - as usual - laughable.
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As I said, I dont expect him to put in world class performances as a DM, because he isnt a DM. However the overrating of a "decent" performance on here is - as usual - laughable.
I'd probably give him a 6/10, he wasnt as good as hes been in the last few weeks for us but to say anything else is going too far.
Just because we lost today doesnt mean everyone automatically gets 3s and 4s in the ratings
I really enjoy Herrera as a player, always moving and making himself available. As well as getting about the pitch and tracking back. His quick touches and ability to get out of tight spaces is fantastic to watch.
Hope he continues to thrive at the club, joy to watch for me.
Hope he continues to thrive at the club, joy to watch for me.
He gave away the ball too much in dangerous areas today, but then again he was asked to perform a bit unfamiliar role for him so I won't be too harsh on him.
Thought he was brilliant today, best player on the pitch and best midfielder by a mile. Generally is the best midfielder in the league. Had 2 sloppy passes that gave Chelsea a chance, but that's because he was the holding midfielder and everyone was closed down forcing him to take a bit of a risk with everyone closed down.
95% pass accuracy with 115 touches, away to Chelsea. Delighted we went for him over Fabregas is all I have to say.
95% pass accuracy with 115 touches, away to Chelsea. Delighted we went for him over Fabregas is all I have to say.
Happened twice all game, and he won it back once anyways. That apart he was class I thought.
He is done decent job and was good in most part but you could see that DMC was not his forte today.
Plus, it's always a case of the second half of the season syndrome with Cesc. Was the same at Arsenal in his later years and Barcelona. Starts off brilliantly but then fades post-December. Can't quite put a finger on the reason though, perhaps he doesn't have the natural endurance to last the whole league calender.
Only issue i had with Herrera today was the dive for the penalty - you're better than that!
Thank god we have people like you on here to guide the ignorant masses on how to rate a player. Please teach us.
- Most interceptions
- Most touches
- Most passes (and more than Chelsea's midfield trio combined)
- Most accurate passing
I find this guy baffling tbh (Fab that is)
It's nothing to do with being able to sit on our high horse, it's about playing the game the way it's supposed to be played. I don't give a shit if other teams do it, I'll never condone that sort of behaviour because it's wrong, no matter how you try and justify it.
We won plenty of titles taking liberties in the past.
While he was excellent today we did miss having him further upfield IMO.
Rooney and Fellaini won't unlock a defense with a decisive pass most of the time. Whereas Herrera does that regularly.
Rooney and Fellaini won't unlock a defense with a decisive pass most of the time. Whereas Herrera does that regularly.
The fact he made the most interceptions, the most passes and was the most accurate passer doesn't matter because one pass annoyed you? I think that applies to everyone else criticising him to be honest. One moment which frustrated them mattered more than everything else he did. Standard reaction I guess. Completely ruins any potential for a reasonable discussion though.
People see things differently, yet you always seem to jump on anyone who has a different opinion to yours.
Unfortunately it was him who went to press Hazard for the goal when he shouldn't have done. But it's hard to blame him when his natural game is not that of a #6 and to always press the play. We knew he would make positional errors and we would have to hope it wouldn't cost us, unfortunately today it did. Cannot fault him though, I thought he did the best we could've expected of him.
That's why we need Carrick or Blind back. He is wasted playing deep.
Not as effective in this role as he has been recently. Still did ok, but he needs to be in and around the box because he is a danger there. Thought his passing was a bit too risky at times today for the role he was playing. It's fine if there is another covering midfielder, but as the deepest midfielder it can cause problems.
Also, definite dive. I've seen that work before, but you can't argue about it not being given and he can have no complaints about the yellow either.
Also, definite dive. I've seen that work before, but you can't argue about it not being given and he can have no complaints about the yellow either.
I entirely agree - the performance overall was pretty good. I gave Herrera a 6 as well, the only player I gave less than 5 was Falcao.
But reading this thread people have him as MotM, which I find ludicrous and representative of the bias that the caf has towards and against certain players.
He did okay there. Some sloppy play however and didn't track Hazard for the goal. He did some good things, but certainly wouldn't want to see him in DM again.
I think that is more the point, we lost his effectiveness up front. I hope Blind or Carrick are back for Everton.
You can bring out the same cherrypicked statistics that you have already posted if you like - Herrera was arguably one of the main culprits for their goal which won the game. He was caught in possession a few times - this is normal for him, but more problematic for the team when it happens in a deeper position - and got booked for diving in the end, which lost us the ball in a dangerous area.
Other players would be crucified for the dive alone, but naturally Herrera gets talked about as a MotM contender because - as your statistics show - he can in fact do no wrong.
If he had a big afro Walrus would think he was the best player ever.
That's the essence of a discussion...two contrasting opinions and engaging in a conversation to elaborate on the basis of those opinions. I did so with statistics that paint him as the best possession player in the game and one of the most involved defensive players and all I got back with was "it doesn't matter, he annoyed me". What else can you say to that?
Perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of a discussion forum.
Cherry picked? You're kidding, right? You'd struggle to find more relevant stats for a midfielder. Touches, passing, interceptions and tackling. You'd also struggle to find stats to support your opinion that he was as poor as you're suggesting aside from those, what, three moments? 10 seconds of play? that you're using to define his performance all to fit your agenda.
There are an awful lot of agendas here these days. It's a bit weird.
Oh snap, you've sure got my number.
Felt it was impressive how he played the #6 role, he really was one of the best players on the pitch today. He was so good the first 30 minutes, I actually was scared that he wouldn't have any legs left for the second half. I knew it was not the first time he played this role, but I was surpised with how well it worked out, his statistics today speak for themselves.
Sure he misplaced two passes, but there's much more to say for the referee being at fault for their goal than to point out Ander I think.
Sure he misplaced two passes, but there's much more to say for the referee being at fault for their goal than to point out Ander I think.
Don't tell Walrus that.
He wasn't perfect, but he was the best option we had available to play there. I much prefer him playing further forward where he is more effective. He can give the ball away which where he was playing is not ideal, but other players were giving the ball away as well.@Brwned honestly, I cant be bothered to go rewatch the entire game just to dig up the moments where Herrera was caught in possession, or misplaced a pass, or any other such event - for the sake of an internet argument. I gave him a 6, which I think is a fair reflection of the game he had, it was the same score I gave to plenty of other players. So I will agree to disagree and leave you and the others in this thread to the Herrera Ballon d'Or campaign.
He'll win it next season.
He was great today in my opinion provided we accept that it is definitely not one of his positions. In his more usual areas of the pitch, he totally dominated Chelsea's midfielders, and looked particularly excellent by comparison to Fabregas. In Carrick's role, most of what he did was good but there were three clear errors in dangerous positions. That said, he twice recovered wonderfully to turn errors into opportunities.
For a player 'out of position', not at all bad. Certainly better than Rooney would have been as the deeper midfielder, I think. Van Gaal got them the right way round for me.
For a player 'out of position', not at all bad. Certainly better than Rooney would have been as the deeper midfielder, I think. Van Gaal got them the right way round for me.
played a very good match
That is really how you have to look at it. If Rooney had been there, then people might have been in serious panic mode. Or god help us Fellaini. Just hope a couple of these injuries clear up. He made Fabregas look awful.
I thought he was the best player on the pitch by some distance. A few sloppy passes in the second half but he almost always recovered the ball and it doesn't take away from a brilliant performance. He was excellent in an unfamiliar role. Bossed the first half massively.
I remember after we signed him he said he watched the Netherlands in the summer wondering where he would fit in, and I think he said he imagined himself as the De Jong, meaning the DM. Having watched almost all of his games in his last season at Athletic Club that isn't a role I would have earmarked for him but he certainly showed today that he can do a job there for sure - against the best team in the league too.
Without a doubt my motm.
I remember after we signed him he said he watched the Netherlands in the summer wondering where he would fit in, and I think he said he imagined himself as the De Jong, meaning the DM. Having watched almost all of his games in his last season at Athletic Club that isn't a role I would have earmarked for him but he certainly showed today that he can do a job there for sure - against the best team in the league too.
Without a doubt my motm.
Thought he absolutely outplayed Cesc today. Brilliant player we have in the club.
The whole performance is a bit like that really. Fair play to Chelsea, they executed their game plan and it worked. But take away those four key injuries to us, returning Carrick to DM and either Rojo/Jones to CB, and on paper that would at least shift the result to a draw.
It's the sort of defeat that doesn't mean anything particularly bad.
Best CM in the league right now? He was incredible. Gave the ball away and only once did he not immediately win it back. He truly is a complete midfielder.
I was really relaxed about it all. I just wanted them to put in a fighting performance and to do us proud and they did. Won't stop me despising Chelsea though, for all I hate Liverpool and City at least they try to play football. Chelsea spend millions and millions and wouldn't know attractive football if it belted them round the chops.
He was constantly ignored by our CBs when they had the ball. He wasn't quite as good as Carrick as showing for it but who is. He was still available.
I don't know if the CBs trust themselves to play the pass or if they don't think Herrera can take the ball in tight situations. But if Herrera is asking for it, give it to him.
I don't know if the CBs trust themselves to play the pass or if they don't think Herrera can take the ball in tight situations. But if Herrera is asking for it, give it to him.
I thought Shaw was MOTM but Herrera was second. Don't think thats ludicrous really. There weren't many better than him out there. Had to shave off a point for that awful pass in the second half though.
Ander was very good in an unnatural position. He dictated the game. He's the only one of our midfielders who can really deal with being pressed, he then comes out of it and makes the right pass. He was sloppy a couple of times but i would give him a 7.5/10, he was the bets midfielder on the pitch. If we had him further t would have been a different result.
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