you are joking, right? i am on the phone, cant see a white text. Thats from his Bilbao days, 2 or 3 years ago.
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you are joking, right? i am on the phone, cant see a white text. Thats from his Bilbao days, 2 or 3 years ago.
Certainly. He's so well rounded that he is comfortable in any type of game that it turns in to. He's in my opinion our teams best presser, the engine of the pressing, and that says a lot considering how good he is in possession.
No need to downplay Vidal of last season, he was arguably the best or second best CM in the world last season. What makes Vidal special (or did) is that not only is the combination of productivity, the insane work rate, and defensive skills. As good as Herrera has been for us, he's not close to Vidal in work rate and defensive skills.
Not at all. As I said, I was really disappointed we did not get Vidal last season and he was definitely my muppet signing.
I was showing how good Herrera has been for us in comparison to a clear benchmark of someone that pretty much everyone can agree is a world class midfielder, especially last season.
Fair enough. I'm really glad with how Herrera has progressed this season. He has been productive throughout the season, but only in our recent form, his overall game has began to stand out. I feel like having Mata in the same lineup really helps his game too, they have great chemistry.
No he'll never get any where close to that level. He's class though. Love watching him.
I vote for changing it to a picture of him in a United kit.
oh what a player we have in him, its amazing how quick he adapted to LVG and the league!
That's absolutely not true and just goes on to show how people lap up all the things said about certain players. Herrera's tackling and his ability to press at the right time have been excellent. He has been our box-to-box player in the actual sense and his ability to keep the ball under pressure is immense. Vidal had a great last season but just like no one needs to downplay Vidal's performances, there is no need to downplay Herrera's as well. If anyone asked me to chose between Vidal and Herrera right now, it will be Herrera hands down.
He really is a gem of a player. We're lucky he still wanted to come to us after last season. Love watching him play. His intelligence, touch, composure and his work rate is what we've missed in the middle for a while. He brings dynamism to the midfield.
With him and Carrick we have probably the most underrated midfield in the league.
Herrera is like Carrick a very intelligent player who runs at the right time and covers the right spaces. Not like many other just running around and maybe tackling more often. This guy makes us so much better especially in terms of pressing. He is not running after the ball like Cleverley did he is running to put the opponents under pressure and get the ball off him before he looks for a through ball.
How many more incredible Spanish midfielders, who aren't much of a name and don't even have a cap or anything, are there? Let's go sign them all!
He's just brilliant, not only in the technical sense but his work rate is fantastic. Gets about the pitch so well and never stopped running yesterday. Didn't half put the work in for that result.
Has the 2nd best touch in the team, so Scholes like in the sense that the first touch will get him a shit-tonne of space without doing anything fancy.
He left Fernandinho like his dad.
With all those players he's been likened to since he came here, I think we would do worse than to compare him with a young, Spanish Nicky Butt. Granted he's got more in his locker technically but the combative way of playing and all-round performances it surely isn't the worst comparison. Similar physique as well, skinnish but strong legs and frame.
EDIT: add late runs into the box to that. He certainly reminds me more of young Butty than he does of Iniesta for starters.
EDIT: add late runs into the box to that. He certainly reminds me more of young Butty than he does of Iniesta for starters.
Fellaini's chest control first?
How did he play? Couldnt watch the match due to travel.
I don't know if either are capped but Camacho and Iturraspe are both players capable of playing for any of the top 5 sides in the league. Parejo too.
I thought he was excellent. Especially at the beginning when were getting hammered, he was the only one who looked like he wasn't bricking it.
I love the guy. He's made for United. Every now and again you get a player and you just feel like they get it. He has character, he's mentally strong and he's tenacious.
When he first came I thought he was a decent little player, now I'm starting to really rate him.
Different players really with different strengths. If you take both at their best, Hererra is better than vidal with the ball at his feet but vidal defensively is a difference make, the sort Hererra will never be. Vidal is one of those players that go charging around opposition midfields, hustling the ball away from them without really being out of position. Herrera has a solid defensive game without being really destructive. Herrera on the ball is in a whole different category to vidal, he's someone that wouldn't look out of place at barca. Depends on what a team needs.
Vidal last season: 4.1 tackles per game, 1.3 interceptions per game.
Herrera this season: 2.5 tackles per game, 1.8 interceptions per game.
I cant find the statistic for distance covered per game, but Vidal has one of the best engines in the world, and the willingness to run around all game. Herrera has a high work rate too but not at the same intensity. I am not trying to downplay Herrera, I am really happy with his recent form and hope he keeps progressing. At this rate of development, it won't be long till he is considered one of the best CMs in the world, and inevitably Real & Barca will come knocking.
Again, not saying Vidal was not great last season but you also have to take into account that Herrera has just moved to a new league and been a consistent fixture in our team only for the last couple of months. Also, is that tackles per game only showing the successful tackles or taking into account all tackles which may also lead to fouls?
He may pick up a few Scholes-esque cards along the way for it, but I love the way he's trying to add some steel to his game. He's becoming much more aggressive and putting himself about in this recent run of form. He's obviously not Roy Keane or ever going to be, but that seemed to be one of the biggest concerns about him.
Remember when he was being compared to Kagawa? Those were the days...
I'm so glad he's doing well and has proven his doubters wrong.
I'm so glad he's doing well and has proven his doubters wrong.
10 times the player that Kagawa is and ever was!
I believed I compared him to Kagawa then because Van Gaal was not playing Herrera during that period. As such, I was trying to get a free Herrera campaign going.
Nevertheless and moreover, Herrera and Kagawa do share similar attributes. Both are tremendously technically gifted and intelligent footballers. I still wish Van Gaal had not have sold Kagawa. Him and Herrera playing together on the same pitch would be just too beautiful to watch.
It wouldn't have, Kagawa was average for us most of the time and he didn't fit in what LVG wanted for us, and we clearly do not miss him. He was a passenger and apart from that game in Norwich he did nothing in a red shirt that warranted the hype he received when he wasn't playing.
My opinion is different and I saw Kagawa as an influential member of our team in regards to playing better and aesthetically pleasing football. If he was giving more time, in particular in our current system alongside herrera and/or mata their would have been an improvement to his overall performance.
One things you fans have to remember is that the season before we had Herrera and blind, we had no technical gifted central midfielder. We had to rely on the likes of cleverley, anderson, Fellaini and fletcher(sparingly) as our number 8. It is difficult to have anything going in the attack with midfielders like those. It is really no surprise that United looks much better with Herrera in our midfield and I would not be surprised if we turned to shit once one of either blind of Herrera succumb to injury or bad form.
Firstly he was not influential at all, he was not on De Gea, Rooney, RVP (pre-slump), and Carrick's level of influence for example which is what you are referring to. Sure he worked well with Mata, but we didn't play aesthetically pleasing football when he was in the side, all it was, was side ways and short passing going nowhere 90 odd percent of the time with Kagawa.
Also he is not a central midfielder he's a number ten, who plays in the hole. Carrick is also technically gifted by the way. And Kagawa was never used in that number 8 role because as LVG said I think, somewhere, that he cannot play in that role. We look better because Herrera is a quality player, an actual central midfielder and suits the system we play. Kagawa had no goals and about three assists in his last season, that's some influence.
We did look better when he was on the pitch, but I can not change your opinion, so I will not bother with that aspect.
On your second point, I never said kagawa was a number 8. What I stated was that it is hard for him to get any support when the players in the number 8 role then was clverley, Fellaini, anderson, and fletcher. Herrera is our current number 8 and we have looked so much better with a proper midfielder in that vital free role that links our midfield with our attack. Once again, if you take Herrera out of our team and replace him with any other players bar perhaps blind or maybe Andreas Perrera, we would not look as fluid or balanced as we look now.
LVG used him in that role in the summer before he sold him. Just replacing any of that midfield and we will be completely different, I agree that taking Herrera out would make it different but that midfield three works well because of the balance that the three players give to the team. Also, I never saw Cleverley play that way with us, neither did Fletcher, Fletcher before the illness was a more defensive box to box player and he was damn good at it. In fact he was better than all those players. He was not used as a number 8 when he came back from illness, he was used in Carrick's role. Anderson was used, and until he became what he is today did not do too badly.
Fact. Kagawa never played much / consistently for us. Consistency was what he needed. His influence on our play was clear to see. Side ways and short passing was Kagawa's fault? Seriously? Because I don't remember us playing fluid football under Moyes for most of the time he was shut out of the first 11. He would thrive under our current system playing as a wide playmaker.
He had a run of games with mata and he did nothing. Even with Fergie we weren't fluid either, and although he was better he didn't have the influrence we all expected.
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