The point the analyst is making is that Casemiro looks up and cannot see what is an easy 15 yard pass forward because Taylor is very poorly positioned directly between Casemiro and the player. If Taylor isn’t there it’s a very forward pass and a counter attack in our favour.
That’s not excusing or absolving what Casemiro did, he has to be judged on what options he actually had and still did terribly.
I mean, you’re just repeating what I said with different words.As noodle points out though, referees are in the way in every game of football, it's what's going to happen at times when you're playing at such a high and intense level.
It's the difference between not being able to counter quickly perhaps but not the difference in the goal. Top level footballers should be able to assess that the pass is not on and have composure to pick out another option.
Me too, and here's me thinking we were just shite!Well I'm relieved this unexpected defeat has been explained.
It’s not blaming the ref, it’s highlighting an element to two of Liverpools goals that were very much unfortunate for United. If the ref isn’t there, Bruno possibly puts Garnacho through, pool don’t get chance for goal 1. If ref isn’t in way for Casemeiro to pass immediately up field , they don’t get their chance for second goal. In both cases maybe United have a decent attack themselves or maybe even going in 0-0 at HT and it’s a different game.When you start blaming refs for the team being shit it’s time to move on and get a hobby.
Please see my comment Above.It’s not blaming the ref, it’s highlighting an element to two of Liverpools goals that were very much unfortunate for United. If the ref isn’t there, Bruno possibly puts Garnacho through, pool don’t get chance for goal 1. If ref isn’t in way for Casemeiro to pass immediately up field , they don’t get their chance for second goal. In both cases maybe United have a decent attack themselves or maybe even going in 0-0 at HT and it’s a different game.
Big games are quite often won and lost on really small margins of difference. United started well and clearly didn’t get the breaks in the first half, after that it was always an uphill struggle.
Disagree on the second goal, he's directly in the way of a clear forward pass, he's actually cutting it off, around the 3:00 mark on the video. Ridiculous positioning.If Antony Taylor vanished from existance, I am 99% sure both passages of play progress in exactly the same way.
Sorry, what? The referee being there has nothing to do with Casemiro playing an absolutely shite pass. He has loads of time to be calm and settle himself to pick other options.
Disagree on the second goal, he's directly in the way of a clear forward pass, he's actually cutting it off.
It's obviously insane to blame though, because Liverpool had 4-5 chances they were 1 pass away from scoring in the first half from similarly misplaced passes including the disallowed goal, so it's not affected the result. But I'll always jump onboard any train that directly shits on referees, because they've been embarassing for too long and last season was the worst they've ever been, so bring it on.
Too many fixtures already. Just give us the 3 points.Oh we're doing it.
I think the only reasonable outcome here is that the fixture gets replayed
Did the referee have a role in potentially two of Liverpool's goals?
I thought this was interesting analysis, was the performance as bad as the score-line suggested? Can we blame Anthony Taylor?
How are so many people unable to separate the game and result from the refereeing performance? It’s actually incredible people commenting how it’s embarrassing and people are making excuses.
I mean, statistically at least, we deserved to win the game, albeit a draw would be the most likely outcome if played an infinite number of times:-Very itnresting. Im sure Liverpool would have won the gsme regardless.
This!The only embarrassing thing is people who can’t see the difference between discussing the incident and making excuses. Nobody is saying we were robbed or would’ve won otherwise for fecks sake. This incidents merit discussion though, I don’t think this is good refereeing at all.
Put a little extra on it just to teach him a lessonJust kick the ball at the ref if he's in the way. The rules say that if it hits him and you lose possession as a result you get it back via a drop ball and have done for a few years now. Been that way since 2019/20.
Agreed. Reminds me of the City 3-0 last year where VAR brought play back 3 minutes after a City set-piece to review a Rodri drive from minimal contact he initiated and award a penalty. It was one of the worst refereeing decisions of last season (probably beaten by Garnacho being given "offside" at Arsenal) and was swept under the rug because of our performance.How are so many people unable to separate the game and result from the refereeing performance? It’s actually incredible people commenting how it’s embarrassing and people are making excuses.
"Was this performance as bad as the score-line suggested?
Long answer; Yes
Ja?What is the short answer
I mean, statistically at least, we deserved to win the game, albeit a draw would be the most likely outcome if played an infinite number of times:-
Oh my god I forgot that one! Eurrrgh.Agreed. Reminds me of the City 3-0 last year where VAR brought play back 3 minutes after a City set-piece to review a Rodri drive from minimal contact he initiated and award a penalty. It was one of the worst refereeing decisions of last season (probably beaten by Garnacho being given "offside" at Arsenal) and was swept under the rug because of our performance.
The xg for the game is slightly misleading as a) our big chances came after we were 3-0 down, b) Diaz first goal has a weirdly low XG despite him basically heading into an empty net and c) It doesn't include Szob inexplicably not shooting despite having a free shot 6 yards in front of goal.
It's terrible from Taylor but Bruno needs to just attempt that pass. If it hits the ref you have a go at him then.
This all the time. Can’t make a pass? Then make sure you kick it at the ref and get a free kick also giving you time to get men around you.Next time the ref gets in the way we should just kick the ball at him
0.29 is high for a header shot, those types of crosses are very easy to mistime. PSxG is 0.95, the moment he didn't screw up the shot it's basically a sure goal.b) Diaz first goal has a weirdly low XG despite him basically heading into an empty net
Most of this thread is shitting on a thread idea though.Can you imagine if it had been the other way around and this analysis was on RAWK? The caf would be having a field day mocking them. Some on here are making a laughing stock of themselves!
which again proves that xG is stupid made-up statistic.The xg for the game is slightly misleading as a) our big chances came after we were 3-0 down, b) Diaz first goal has a weirdly low XG despite him basically heading into an empty net and c) It doesn't include Szob inexplicably not shooting despite having a free shot 6 yards in front of goal.
I get the jokes in here, as we lost because we were poor, but there's no denying it's interesting. Taylor is a terrible ref, and i don't care what anybody says the second goal was a foul. Watch the replay again, diaz doesn't get to the ball and coming in from that angle and not getting it is a foul - that would 100% have been given the other way.
Just kick the ball at the ref if he's in the way. The rules say that if it hits him and you lose possession as a result you get it back via a drop ball and have done for a few years now. Been that way since 2019/20.
