Did the referee have a role in potentially two of Liverpool's goals?
I thought this was interesting analysis, was the performance as bad as the score-line suggested? Can we blame Anthony Taylor?
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Analysis of Anthony Taylor’s positioning for the first two Liverpool goals from CBS America
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Did the referee have a role in potentially two of Liverpool's goals?
I thought this was interesting analysis, was the performance as bad as the score-line suggested? Can we blame Anthony Taylor?
"Was this performance as bad as the score-line suggested?
Long answer; Yes
Long answer; Yes
There's clutching at straws and then there's whatever this is.
The video is interesting and raises some valid points. Especially the first goal, which probably wouldn’t have happened if the ref was in a different place. The performance was really bad though, and Liverpool had our number. This is just another thing to add to the shit sandwich.
It doesn't raise any points. The referee being stood on the pitch while refereeing the game is actually not an unusual thing to happen.
Just unfortunate timing on both occasions there sadly. Doesn't change the fact that we are just too careless with the ball though.
That was the most annoying, ear-bleeding, bouncy marionette acting, amphetamine riddled commentary I've ever seen. How can anybody spend more than 5 seconds listening to or watching this garbage?
It does.
The referee is too close to the ball and the play and in both situations he blocked off passing lines for Utd players. Not entirely to blame of course, but I've always seen it that referees should stay about 15/20 yards from the play and should always try to be behind the ball.
Taylor was basically picking up defensive positions to block the ball.
He should have a jetpack and hover over the pitch instead. We were robbed.
Football is infinitely worse for this constant analysis of refereeing performance. It’s designed to be a wolf whistle for fans who just use football an excuse to whinge.
Well I'm relieved this unexpected defeat has been explained.
If we'd lost 1-0 in a tight game, maybe it would feel important, but it wasn't a narrow loss.
Brian Clough from the 70s agrees with you. It's just to amuse the bloodthirsty.
What is the short answer
Refereeing standards have been incredibly poor for a while, doesn’t change we would have lost the game but it shouldn’t be dismissed just because it’s associated with this game.
The question is why is he always positioned right in the thick of it. Sorry he is just a bad ref.
Too much shouting ….Mike Loud indeed
We got pressed by a ref 
Sorry, what? The referee being there has nothing to do with Casemiro playing an absolutely shite pass. He has loads of time to be calm and settle himself to pick other options.
So this is what people mean when they say they're playing against 12.
We were very poor, his positioning is bad, especially for that first one. He shouldn't be getting in the way of play.
We were very poor, his positioning is bad, especially for that first one. He shouldn't be getting in the way of play.
Yep, my reaction too.
I can't imagine the ref being stood on the pitch made Casemiro play like shit... though that would explain a lot if it were the case.
Again this is a long way beyond clutching straws and actually quite sad.
The referee is in the way multiple times every game. Most games the ball ends up hitting them at some point. It doesn't force a player to fall over or give the ball straight to an opponent, or a team to look like garbage for 90 minutes. Trying to analyse it into being a factor in a 3-0 defeat that was closer to a 6-0 than a draw in terms of luck/balance of play, is ridiculous.
The second isn't as crazy to watch but actually has a more direct impact on the error.
Next time the ref gets in the way we should just kick the ball at him
America, feck yeah, coming again to save the motherfecking day yeah!
The point the analyst is making is that Casemiro looks up and cannot see what is an easy 15 yard pass forward because Taylor is very poorly positioned directly between Casemiro and the player. If Taylor isn’t there it’s a very forward pass and a counter attack in our favour.
That’s not excusing or absolving what Casemiro did, he has to be judged on what options he actually had and still did terribly.
This thread is embarrassing
He's actually got a point, Taylors blocking off our passing angles. The second one is even more directly responsible.
Like you can't blame that for our loss it's insane to do and the referees gotta be somewhere, so it's unfortunate? But it's well spotted if you're going to be ridiculously pedantic about referees which we are wont to do
Like you can't blame that for our loss it's insane to do and the referees gotta be somewhere, so it's unfortunate? But it's well spotted if you're going to be ridiculously pedantic about referees which we are wont to do
Referees are rarely in the way that much, you don't see many. The video itself is hard to watch but it does raise a valid point about how both goals came from the referee being in the way and blocking off passing lines.
I wouldn't blame the referee for the loss overall or the goals conceded, in both instances Casemiro was poor both in his passing and holding onto the ball.
Oh we're doing it.
I think the only reasonable outcome here is that the fixture gets replayed.
Can’t say I’ve ever noticed this happening much with Anthony Taylor but Martin Atkinson was dreadful for it, constantly standing in the way of potential passing lanes.
I was more annoyed by him letting go the shove on Kobbie, but am refusing to rewatch any footage of that cursed game to verify if it was a fair call or not.
I was more annoyed by him letting go the shove on Kobbie, but am refusing to rewatch any footage of that cursed game to verify if it was a fair call or not.
The line asking if the performance was that bad is a bit embarrassing, but the point about the referee interfering with play is completely worthwhile to bring up.
He clearly disrupted the game by getting in the way of the open pass in the opening two goals.
Casemiro should have been able to avoid the errors still, but his life was made more difficult by the referee and it's elite sport. These details can make a difference
Doesnt change the fact that the team was shit.
I think we can go to lower levels than this.
Let's all relate to the tune of B*witched.
Replace lyrics with Anthony Taylor, Maguire, Antony, take your pick
Oh
It's just one more day
No one said there would be rain again
Won't blame it on myself, yeah
I'll blame it on the weatherman
Get away for a while
Here I am, out on my own again
Won't blame it on myself, yeah
I'll blame it on the weatherman
Standin' on the shore (ooh), callin' out your name (SAF)
I was here before, I could see your face
Only clouds will see (ooh), tears are in my eyes
Empty like my heart, why'd you say goodbye?
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Alone I can hear
Hear our song playin' for me again
Won't blame it on myself, oh no
Just blame it on the weatherman
Standin' on the shore (ooh), callin' out your name
I was here before, I could see your face
Only clouds will see (ooh), tears are in my eyes
Empty like my heart, why'd you say goodbye?
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Maybe it's too late
Maybe it's too late to try again (ah)
And maybe I can't pray (maybe I can't pray)
And maybe I can't wait (maybe I can't wait)
And maybe I can't blame the weatherman
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Oh, blame it on the weatherman
Let's all relate to the tune of B*witched.
Replace lyrics with Anthony Taylor, Maguire, Antony, take your pick
Oh
It's just one more day
No one said there would be rain again
Won't blame it on myself, yeah
I'll blame it on the weatherman
Get away for a while
Here I am, out on my own again
Won't blame it on myself, yeah
I'll blame it on the weatherman
Standin' on the shore (ooh), callin' out your name (SAF)
I was here before, I could see your face
Only clouds will see (ooh), tears are in my eyes
Empty like my heart, why'd you say goodbye?
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Alone I can hear
Hear our song playin' for me again
Won't blame it on myself, oh no
Just blame it on the weatherman
Standin' on the shore (ooh), callin' out your name
I was here before, I could see your face
Only clouds will see (ooh), tears are in my eyes
Empty like my heart, why'd you say goodbye?
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Maybe it's too late
Maybe it's too late to try again (ah)
And maybe I can't pray (maybe I can't pray)
And maybe I can't wait (maybe I can't wait)
And maybe I can't blame the weatherman
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
The rain goes on (on and on again)
Oh, blame it on the weatherman
When you start blaming refs for the team being shit it’s time to move on and get a hobby.
I think that's something we can all agree on. That, or cancel all the goals out, call it a nil nil draw and continue our season without it ever happening
It actually is a good point.
Momentum in games can turn quickly and for all the “Liverpool were far better then United”, the first two goals came from poor midfield mistake and now it seems a ref interfering with our actual tactic of quick ball forward. Big games can be won on lost on fractional differences. Liverpool scored 3 goals , not 10. 2 of them had elements of fortune and of course one player making a really poor decision.
Is this implying we lost just because of it? No, but it’s a very unfortunate situation that just happens to of helped significantly in the opening goals that would obviously shape a major game like this.
There’s times where it feels like United are in the brink of something great and they just fall short, miss a chance, get caught out by VAR, waste a really good chance , get an injury, ref gets in way or get sucker punched.