It also has a lot to do with the gradual shift of power from executive agencies (DoD etc) to the White House. Its been going on for the past 4-5 presidencies and seems to have accelerated under Obama.
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I think the Obamas are drained due to this type of repeated attack...
http://gawker.com/gop-staffer-calls-obama-daughters-classless-dressed-fo-1664560003
http://gawker.com/gop-staffer-calls-obama-daughters-classless-dressed-fo-1664560003
I think the Republicans could be in with a shout in 2016 if they have a ticket that is geographical balanced. They need to take Ohio and Florida in the general election so some combination of John Kasich or Rob Portman from Ohio and Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush from Florida. Whether any of them can win the Republican Primary is another question, not sure if any of them appeal to majority of the party activists. You are more likely to end of with somebody like Ron Paul.
Right...because no one ever attacked the Bush daughters or Palins kids. Only Repubs do it.
Kids should be off limits but lets not try and act like this is down to one party. It's more a reflection of the current state of politics in the US.
Right...because no one ever attacked the Bush daughters or Palins kids. Only Repubs do it.
Kids should be off limits but lets not try and act like this is down to one party. It's more a reflection of the current state of politics in the US.
I don't think I said that was the case. For instance, I wasn't impressed with the treatment the Palins got during the run-up to the election but Palin was at fault a bit. Now Palin is not a politician and she has put her kids in the public eye by co-starring with them on a TV series among other things.
The Bush kids were probably the first to get this treatment but their shenanigans were on a different scale in that they actually broke laws (underage drinking, jumping red lights), albeit ones that many teenagers do.
The Obama girls have basically been called bar sluts for standing next to their father wearing cardigans and thick tights at a White House public event. Huge difference AND many people are agreeing with this "lady" and her tweet.
Also, I wasn't limiting this to kids. This was just another example. The Obamas have been targeted over and over for non-policy things since it was clear Obama was going to win the presidency. The repeated attacks on him and his family are voluminous, truly disgusting and unparalleled. Guess that was always going to happen since he's not a real American. Need to return to an aging white man ASAP to quieten the crowd.
She showed her true class in 2000 when she was arrested for shoplifting at 17. She also run a red light and got cited for speeding at 19. What a hypocritical you-know-what.
They would need to win Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado or Iowa to win the Presidency. That will be very difficult if Hillary is running as she will more than likely carry at least one or more of those states. The only candidate who could pull that off (imo) is Jeb Bush.
I might be in the minority, in more ways than one, but I still don't think he'll run.
New Hampshire would be another possibility instead of Colorado or Iowa, but yeah that's what they have to do to win by fewer than five votes which highlights the problem they're in. Plus Hillary will be stronger than Obama ever was in states like Missouri.
Democrats turn up for Presidential elections...the old lady will be fine. Virginia is a blue state these days...so we will know early.
I do think they'll settle on him, after much flirting with the usual rogues gallery.
The repub primaries are a special time for all who like a bit of a chuckle! Agreed, he's their best shot.
Could be lookin' at Clinton v Bush II.
Could be lookin' at Clinton v Bush II.
Yup, they're a comedy extravaganza. Clinton definitely wins the name battle, I'm pretty sure the US would vote Bill in for a third term if it were allowed.
This is pretty much turning into a Clinton v Bush election.
Yeah, can't see it being anything other than Clinton V Bush part 2.
Democracy my arse.
Elections are a popularity contest and having a known name can come in quite handy.
Jeb and Hillary each win their party's nomination. Then in the spirit of the supposed friendship between the two families they each name the other as a running mate.
I still don't think Bush will get it. This is the Tea Party's turn.
As someone who has never quite worked out what 'celebrities' are, I bow to ou
I think the next step is that they arrange a marriage between their children, and one of them steps down. Or gets killed. So long as the world knows this is what freedom is all about.
I think the next step is that they arrange a marriage between their children, and one of them steps down. Or gets killed. So long as the world knows this is what freedom is all about.
What does any of this have to do with freedom ?
Have they got a candidate they're all happy to back yet though? That won't do something mental?
I doubt they have the clout to get a right wing candidate through the primaries. Same thing will happen as with McCain and Romney in 08 and 12. The party hierarchy know a Cruz type wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in the general election.
Indeed. Freedom to choose between a handful of families isn't quite freedom, is it?
Of course not. But that's their calling card.
I think Rick Perry could run on the Texas "Miracle" toward the center and count on his Tea Party base to stick with him.
They can choose from any candidate who stands election, so its completely free in that sense.
We have freedom to choose other people, we just happened to choose them. Except for when we didn't. Do you remember 2008?
I do think Perry will clean up his act and make a good run of it this time, but he's sufficiently exposed himself as a comical buffoon in the past to where it will be hard for him to be taken seriously over a Jeb Bush imo.
Theoretically yes. If the election is between a Bush and a Clinton (now the Kennedys have died out) will that change your mind? Or do you think those two families are genetically superior and deserve to be where they are?
That would make sense if elections were about ideas, in which case any person could run for office. They aren't. They are about making yourself more popular than your opponent and using money to promote your views and discredit theirs.
You're just knee-jerking in US defence as usual Eboue. You're oversensitive mate, I like America, I just think your electoral system has a problem, as do all, just that you don't seem to realise yours.
I couldn't have put that better myself Raoul. Our opinions of democracy clearly differ.
That's unfair. I'm not concerned with whether or not you like America. My mission isn't to make people like America. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in your logic. Clinton had a massive edge in money and endorsements and name recognition and party elite support which was eroded by an interracial dude whose name sounds like a combination of the people we've went to war with for the last twenty years. The people do have a choice and they made it, just 6 years ago in what was a stunning upset.
There are many issues with our political system. Too many veto points, the electoral college, gerrymandering, too much local control, etc. Electing a Clinton isn't one of them.
Mine involves allowing people to vote for their preferred candidate and approach in how their country is governed ? What's yours ?
I agree entirely about Obama. You say you're not concerned, but you are, you invariably and vigorously defend any comment perceived as anti-American. I personally would vote for a Clinton over a Bush, but that's the point, it shouldn't be about families.
The trouble with that is each of Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush have held major positions in US governance over the past 15 years, as governor, senator, and secretary of state. Its not as if they just rolled into politics based on who they are related to and are suddenly running for President. They have both paid their dues, and have been in the game for significantly longer than the current President. In that sense, they have every right to become one of many candidates for the position.
I really don't have any agenda here. I criticize American policies all the time. A particularly extreme example would be gun rights. But as an American with a background in political science, I can add a perspective that is often lacking (for obvious reasons) in a Irish football forum. I try to add my more informed opinion on topics that can benefit from it, just like Arruda can give insight on Portuguese football or Sultan can add to discussions on Islamic culture. In those cases I do more listening than talking.
Personally, in terms of ideas, I think Rand Paul v Elizabeth Warren would be fascinating to watch.
I can see that. And the Prince of Wales/Duke of Cornwall has considerable committee experience too. No doubt Gadafi or Assad or the Korean guy (sorry) engineered their kids into significant positions. Democracy? Nah.
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