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Ted Cruz will be annoying in the next couple of years, especially if he's considering running for President.
 
In a way I feel bad for the American people, but then again they are the ones who are stupid enough to either vote for the Republicans, or not vote at all, so a large chunk of them are getting what they deserve.
 
I know, but that just affects the House vote, and the Republicans won the Senate overwhelmingly as well. Part of it can be blamed on voter ID laws as well, but still the voter turnout is atrocious.
Always is at mid terms, not sure a lot of people realise how all-encompassing they are.
 
I saw something last night about people being told they weren't registered when they were and so were unable to vote, has there been much of this reported?
 
This one wasn't close enough for that to come into it. Not even close. The polls were pretty bad.

Great night for the Republican party. Now I hope they actually do something. One positive is any lack of bills is now fully on them so they may need to show they are actually doing something. The nutballs will continue being nutballs but hopefully they are controlled by the senior members.
 
I saw something last night about people being told they weren't registered when they were and so were unable to vote, has there been much of this reported?
Have not heard much on this yet. It is possible that it was done intentionally and it is also possible it happened to a few voters due to human error. Have to wait and hear more
 
looking at things from over the atlantic it strikes me just how negative the whole campaign was from both sides - they were so much more focused on what the other side would do and why that was was wrong than they were about putting their own point of view over - or perhaps Im wrong but that is the side of the coverage we see over here.

If that is the case I dread to think how bad the election will be for president - especially if it ends up as clinton vs bush two where it will probably be more about previous administrations than any future one.
 
looking at things from over the atlantic it strikes me just how negative the whole campaign was from both sides - they were so much more focused on what the other side would do and why that was was wrong than they were about putting their own point of view over - or perhaps Im wrong but that is the side of the coverage we see over here.

If that is the case I dread to think how bad the election will be for president - especially if it ends up as clinton vs bush two where it will probably be more about previous administrations than any future one.
I'm still hoping Warren makes a run.
 
looking at things from over the atlantic it strikes me just how negative the whole campaign was from both sides - they were so much more focused on what the other side would do and why that was was wrong than they were about putting their own point of view over - or perhaps Im wrong but that is the side of the coverage we see over here.

If that is the case I dread to think how bad the election will be for president - especially if it ends up as clinton vs bush two where it will probably be more about previous administrations than any future one.
It seems likely that the Republican campaign will be 90% Obama hate, and the Dems will probably respond in kind.
 
In a way I feel bad for the American people, but then again they are the ones who are stupid enough to either vote for the Republicans, or not vote at all, so a large chunk of them are getting what they deserve.

Don't...you're 100% right...."You always get the government you deserve"
 
It seems likely that the Republican campaign will be 90% Obama hate, and the Dems will probably respond in kind.

The Republican strategy is quite simple from here on. Do almost nothing, cause chaos, then in 2016 blame Obama for everything and their candidate gets a major boost for President...checkmate!
 
Only voted for one major party candidate this time and that was my towns judge and he ran unopposed. He is a good guy, fair judge by all accounts.

All my other votes went to small party candidates. No chance of them winning but have had it with both parties and any incumbents regardless of party.
 
Ted Cruz will be annoying in the next couple of years, especially if he's considering running for President.

I wish Ted Cruz would run, it would make Hilary's job very very easy, not that a GOP has a chance in a national election anyways.
 
I'm still hoping Warren makes a run.

Elizabeth Warren is the only hope for the middle class. She is the only one talking about how awful the for-profit student loan system is.
Literally every other politician has been bought out by the 1%.
 
Don't...you're 100% right...."You always get the government you deserve"


The problem is Fox news broadcasts lies all day (this is proven) and their base eats it up hook, line and sinker.
Its like all you have to do in the bible belt/midwest is repeatedly show shiny graphics and blondes in short skirts and folks will believe whatever you say... doesnt matter if they say Climate Change is a hoax or Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim , they believe it all.
 
Don't tempt fate...

The GOP doesnt have a chance and they know it, which is why all the dark (aka Koch) money goes to statewide elections now. Koch and co have realized they can do serious damage on that level.
The GOP blocks everything Obama tries to do, so is winning a national election even that important anymore?

Their goal is to make money, and by any means necessary.
 
The GOP doesnt have a chance and they know it, which is why all the dark (aka Koch) money goes to statewide elections now. Koch and co have realized they can do serious damage on that level.
The GOP blocks everything Obama tries to do, so is winning a national election even that important anymore?

Their goal is to make money, and by any means necessary.

Prime Minister Obama?
 
Elizabeth Warren is the only hope for the middle class. She is the only one talking about how awful the for-profit student loan system is.
Literally every other politician has been bought out by the 1%.
the problem is, that the system is so broken, that politicians eventually wont be able to repair it. Obama was elected as government outsider who wants to change to the system- Still he caved in in every meaningful aspect. So if someone who wants to change things and had public support (after his first election) cant do it, why should any other person be able to change things? Democrats are often on the same payrole like Republicans and deal with the same systematic issues. The idea that its all the tea-party´s fault is misleading, even so most of them are idiots.
 
The problem is Fox news broadcasts lies all day (this is proven) and their base eats it up hook, line and sinker.
Its like all you have to do in the bible belt/midwest is repeatedly show shiny graphics and blondes in short skirts and folks will believe whatever you say... doesnt matter if they say Climate Change is a hoax or Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim , they believe it all.


As I said, you get the government you deserve. If you get your facts from talking points within a show running for an hour, then you really don't deserve anything more than that. Sadly, most of them are just happy that Obama got beat. It had very little to do with policy or economics and and it's been like that since 2008. They've (Republicans) have been plotting his downfall since then. What's gonna happen now is that they're going to blame everything on him for the next two years to stymie the Democratic candidate's push for the White House. Once they get the White House, Senate and House then it's gonna be off to the Wall Street and big money races.
 
I know, but that just affects the House vote, and the Republicans won the Senate overwhelmingly as well. Part of it can be blamed on voter ID laws as well, but still the voter turnout is atrocious.

Dems normally don't vote in midterms. Republicans are the only ones smart enough to realize that you can't really change anything unless you get Governer, Congressman, Senator all in one party. It's easier to affect change on the state and local level which is what the Dems are piss poor at. Added to that, Republicans tend to get better funded at the state level because their policies are usually pro business, lower taxes and minimum wages.
 
The problem is Fox news broadcasts lies all day (this is proven) and their base eats it up hook, line and sinker.
Its like all you have to do in the bible belt/midwest is repeatedly show shiny graphics and blondes in short skirts and folks will believe whatever you say... doesnt matter if they say Climate Change is a hoax or Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim , they believe it all.
This is an overused strawman and isn't even remotely accurate.
 
Dems normally don't vote in midterms. Republicans are the only ones smart enough to realize that you can't really change anything unless you get Governer, Congressman, Senator all in one party. It's easier to affect change on the state and local level which is what the Dems are piss poor at. Added to that, Republicans tend to get better funded at the state level because their policies are usually pro business, lower taxes and minimum wages.

I just look at it as a demographics problem. The vast majority of land mass in the United States is lived on by stereotypical Republicans. Urban clusters are solidly Democratic. Great for presidential and senatorial campaigns. Awful for house, governor campaigns.

Midterm swings are typical, the past 2 years have been rough for Obama, making it a "vote against Obama and his party" was more than enough.
 
I think the Republicans have set a dangerous precedent with this Presidential period. I'm hard pressed to recall any cycle where the party without the President has played hardball to the extent that has happened with Obama.

If the Republicans get the next President, which seems quite possible, I am fairly certain the Democrats (should they have the house or the senate) will play the same childish game of stonewalling everything no matter what.
 
I think the Republicans have set a dangerous precedent with this Presidential period. I'm hard pressed to recall any cycle where the party without the President has played hardball to the extent that has happened with Obama.

If the Republicans get the next President, which seems quite possible, I am fairly certain the Democrats (should they have the house or the senate) will play the same childish game of stonewalling everything no matter what.

Isn't that proof in its self that the system is broken - though with such an adversarial first past the post two party system will it ever change?
 
I think the Republicans have set a dangerous precedent with this Presidential period. I'm hard pressed to recall any cycle where the party without the President has played hardball to the extent that has happened with Obama.

If the Republicans get the next President, which seems quite possible, I am fairly certain the Democrats (should they have the house or the senate) will play the same childish game of stonewalling everything no matter what.

I highly doubt the Republicans will get the next President.
 
I highly doubt the Republicans will get the next President.
the bookies currently have it around
democrats 4/6 odds on
republicans 11/10 against
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winning-party
But with democrats drifting and republicans closing - so certainly close with 2 years left to go as well

interestingly they have clinton and bush as the two leading contenders to be nextpresident
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

But Bush as second favourite to get the republican nomination behind rubio
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/republican-candidate

which kind of implies they think Bush would appeal more to voters on a cross party basis.

I have been saying for years I can see Bush wining and sending the troops back into Iraq at some point for Bush vs Iraq 3 - half joking at the time but given the possibility of him winning and the trouble in the region with ISIS its actually looking like a reality now.

it would also mean that since 1981 there has been an almost continual presence of a bush or clinton in a senior office
1981 - 1989 Bush Snr as VP
1989 - 1993 Bush Snr as President
1993 - 2001 B Clinton as President
2001 - 2009 Bush Jnr as President
2009 - 2013 H Clinton as Secretary of State
And since 2013 H Clinton has basically been on the campaign trail for president
That cant be healthy for American politics - you know the land of opportunity where anybody can grow up to be president supposedly
 
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Isn't that proof in its self that the system is broken - though with such an adversarial first past the post two party system will it ever change?

The system is broken yes but if we sit here and try to deny that Obama's race had little to do with Republican opposition to him since 2008 then we're as naive as they come.
 
I highly doubt the Republicans will get the next President.

They're sneaky bastards. They now control the landscape at the Governor level which is where they'll make their voter ID laws and change the rules to make it harder for people to vote. According to them, elections cost too much and there's too much money in politics for it to be decided by the common man. Your vote should count...but not THAT much where it actually affects change. Change is made by the Koch Brothers and their other wealthy donors.
 
you know the land of opportunity where anybody can grow up to be president supposedly

:rolleyes: we just elected and retired re-elected in landslides an interracial man raised by a single mother whose name sounds like a combination of the FBI's most wanted list.

When is the last time the UK had someone comparable, Lloyd George?
 
:rolleyes: we just elected and retired re-elected in landslides an interracial man raised by a single mother whose name sounds like a combination of the FBI's most wanted list.

When is the last time the UK had someone comparable, Lloyd George?

I would guess when we elected a woman - though in fairness she was an evil cnut
 
the bookies currently have it around
democrats 4/6 odds on
republicans 11/10 against
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winning-party
But with democrats drifting and republicans closing - so certainly close with 2 years left to go as well

interestingly they have clinton and bush as the two leading contenders to be nextpresident
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

But Bush as second favourite to get the republican nomination behind rubio
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/republican-candidate

which kind of implies they think Bush would appeal more to voters on a cross party basis.

I have been saying for years I can see Bush wining and sending the troops back into Iraq at some point for Bush vs Iraq 3 - half joking at the time but given the possibility of him winning and the trouble in the region with ISIS its actually looking like a reality now.

it would also mean that since 1981 there has been an almost continual presence of a bush or clinton in a senior office
1981 - 1989 Bush Snr as VP
1989 - 1993 Bush Snr as President
1993 - 2001 B Clinton as President
2001 - 2009 Bush Jnr as President
2009 - 2013 H Clinton as Secretary of State
And since 2013 H Clinton has basically been on the campaign trail for president
That cant be healthy for American politics - you know the land of opportunity where anybody can grow up to be president supposedly

Which means absolutely nothing.
 
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