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What exactly does Rio mean by this
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Think Rio's thought process is big Belgian lad > plays for Everton > engage mouth.What exactly does Rio mean by thisTo be clear I was never a fan of the Felliani signing and never warmed to him at any point, but he was thought of in many different ways by many people, including fans, managers and football analysts, so I'm not quite sure what Rio is trying to say here.
Think Rio's thought process is big Belgian lad > plays for Everton > engage mouth.
Yeah, he's not 100% wrong IMO insofar as neither of them are exactly craftsmen on the ball and able to control play or even reliable in their passing, and you're counting on them more for physical attributes as well as certain positional competencies. He's also not wrong that in both summers we've been linked with players who would make far more sense for the side as it stands. But not like-for-like players, obviously...Think Rio's thought process is big Belgian lad > plays for Everton > engage mouth.
What are you on about?Free transfer, we get a similar option in terms of ability in our goalie to cover De Gea's exit. Sure, not a prime Neuer or prime Buffon, but he's capable of doing a solid job.
Not sure how you came to this conclusion, we only have Scott in the squad with his profile and we're open to selling him.Waste of time and money - brings nothing new/better to the squad
Free transfer, we get a similar option in terms of ability in our goalie to cover De Gea's exit. Sure, not a prime Neuer or prime Buffon, but he's capable of doing a solid job.
Edit: wrong Onana![]()
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In my defense, both share the same last name. But it was the lack of dugs (coffee) that probably helped to generate my confusion![]()
Lavia is a deeper midfieid player and Onana would play as a #8 in a interior role in midfield imo. And having watched Lavia a number of times last season, his passing from a deeper role isn't of the required quality as yet. So targeting someone like a Amrabat instead of Lavia would be the logical move due to Amrabat being a better fit for what we require now in our midfield. Amrabat's passing ability is superior to Lavia's from deeper role and adds more creativity to the team.At this price point, why didn’t we throw our hat in the ring for Lavia? Both he and Onana need a fair amount of work, but Lavia looks the better prospect.
Not averse to this player, but for the kind of money being mooted, isn’t there better out there?
I thought he could play both as a deeper player and a ball carrier? Take in what you’ve said, but thought it was applicable to Lavia too.Lavia is a deeper midfieid player and Onana would play as a #8 in a interior role in midfield imo. And having watched Lavia a number of times last season, his passing from a deeper role isn't of the required quality as yet. So targeting someone like a Amrabat instead of Lavia would be the logical move due to Amrabat being a better fit for what we require now in our midfield. Amrabat's passing ability is superior to Lavia's from deeper role and adds more creativity to the team.
Adding Onana as a #8 also potentially helps raise the level of the team. Because not only would he improve us with his surging runs through midfield, he also has the physical, athletic and aerial capabilities to defend opposition transitions, which we seem to be weak at if we want to play the game higher up the pitch. And also Onana would be a good fit to thwart opposition aerial attacks.
I'm not sure if it's possible, but signing both Amrabat and Onana would improve us a lot. It would raise the level of the build up play from deeper with Amrabat, and Onana would improve our defensive transitions which we seem to be weak at. And eventhough Rio Ferdinand has compared Onana with Fellaini, it's a very poor comparison because Onana has the pace and power along with the ability to carry the ball which is very dangerous for any opponent.
We've can't have two players called Onana, it's not natural
I think he's a deeper midfield player with good ability to evade the press. But his passing I don't believe is at the requisite level at the moment. I think he's someone that needs to be developed further but I'm not sure he'll ever have a expansive passing game. And I think we should target someone who provides that little bit extra on the ball in a deeper midfield role, so we can progress the ball more effectively.I thought he could play both as a deeper player and a ball carrier? Take in what you’ve said, but thought it was applicable to Lavia too.
re. Last paragraph. Would be a boon for our entire season to get two in who can actually play midfield properly.
We've can't have two players called Onana, it's not natural
We've can't have two players called Onana, it's not natural
Phil / Gary Neville did fine![]()
One of them went the other way to Everton, it's like it's come full circle.Phil / Gary Neville did fine![]()
Neither of them were called Onana.
Everton is one of a few clubs who would accept McTominay in a player plus cash swap. We also have good relations with them so a deal could be done if we approached them.I can see why we might be after this player but if there was any interest, I’m not sure we will pursue it this window. Considering how much Everton paid for him to start with, I’d presume he would cost too much to take him from Goodison and I’m not sure we will raise enough funds in time.
Don't they both? I guess you're saying Onana is more ready now, even if that's the case?I think he's a deeper midfield player with good ability to evade the press. But his passing I don't believe is at the requisite level at the moment. I think he's someone that needs to be developed further but I'm not sure he'll ever have a expansive passing game. And I think we should target someone who provides that little bit extra on the ball in a deeper midfield role, so we can progress the ball more effectively.
Amrabat might not be the longterm solution for the deeper midfield role. But he's a natural fit for a team that is looking for a midfielder who is comfortable as the first receiver in midfield. Casemiro isn't that player and never has been that player.
So for me if we can add Amrabat in the current window, then we're 3 players away from having a potentially elite level build up phase. And both Varane and Casemiro have been fantastic players and have had great careers. But I'd personally look to upgrade both players and sign a starting #6 and a starting RCB for next season along with a RB who is comfortable with the ball and can help us progress the play via his passing ability. So when you upgrade the first 11, the player being upgraded upon should become a rotation option. And that's how I feel you strengthen the squad.
They both need developing but Onana is more of a #8 with fantastic physical, athletic and aerial qualities which we require. Lavia is more of a deeper lying midfield player which we also require, but it would imo be best if targeted a different profile of DM because I dont believe Lavia should be a longterm option for us in that position. I think better players than Lavia will emerge in the next 12 months who will hopefully be more cultured on the ball.Don't they both? I guess you're saying Onana is more ready now, even if that's the case?
Agree with the sentiment of your post.
If only there's a way to convince Everton to swap Onana with Mctominay plus 15 mill. Then hopefully we can Amrabat and Onana.Lavia is a deeper midfieid player and Onana would play as a #8 in a interior role in midfield imo. And having watched Lavia a number of times last season, his passing from a deeper role isn't of the required quality as yet. So targeting someone like a Amrabat instead of Lavia would be the logical move due to Amrabat being a better fit for what we require now in our midfield. Amrabat's passing ability is superior to Lavia's from deeper role and adds more creativity to the team.
Adding Onana as a #8 also potentially helps raise the level of the team. Because not only would he improve us with his surging runs through midfield, he also has the physical, athletic and aerial capabilities to defend opposition transitions, which we seem to be weak at if we want to play the game higher up the pitch. And also Onana would be a good fit to thwart opposition aerial attacks.
I'm not sure if it's possible, but signing both Amrabat and Onana would improve us a lot. It would raise the level of the build up play from deeper with Amrabat, and Onana would improve our defensive transitions which we seem to be weak at. And eventhough Rio Ferdinand has compared Onana with Fellaini, it's a very poor comparison because Onana has the pace and power along with the ability to carry the ball which is very dangerous for any opponent.
OK, I get it. Lavia is more of a #6 and Onana a natural complementary #8. Interesting that you don't seem to rate him that highly.They both need developing but Onana is more of a #8 with fantastic physical, athletic and aerial qualities which we require. Lavia is more of a deeper lying midfield player which we also require, but it would imo be best if targeted a different profile of DM because I dont believe Lavia should be a longterm option for us in that position. I think better players than Lavia will emerge in the next 12 months who will hopefully be more cultured on the ball.
It's not that I don't rate him but rather I would prefer that we target a replacement for Casemiro who is just as press resistant as Lavia but with the added benefit of having a more expansive passing range. I think that player or players will emerge by next summer and the way I'm reading things, I feel we'll prioritise a starting #6 alongside a RCB next summer.OK, I get it. Lavia is more of a #6 and Onana a natural complementary #8. Interesting that you don't seem to rate him that highly.
Haven't seen anything much of Onana, and certainly not enough of him to even think of him as a desirable for us in an open market, but it's easy to see why he would be of interest as he looks the part with, we would assume, massive room for growth given his age and erratic nature at the moment. I'm not averse to the player as he seems to have the raw tools we need, but is he ready to contribute to the degree we require (we badly need a functional player to come in and provide what we lack)? You mentioned Amrabat in your previous post, but I am pretty sure this is going to be an either/or situation. If by some miracle it were to be both, where does that leave Mainoo and Hannibal?
Good points - numerous ways to control midfield and we excel at literally none of them; the passing route with someone who can beat the press is my preference because it can be done more consistently by most, but ball carrying and breaking ranks through midfield is special. Quite clear why we wanted FDJ so badly despite my reservations about his character - what a Moussa Dembele would be worth in today’s game! A consistent ball-carrier changes the entire dynamic for both teams, as the pressure is then on the opponent to deal with the clear and present threat that’s rapidly breaching lines, obviously opening up the pitch for us as opposing players are forced towards the threat/ball abandoning their own briefs temporarily. Transformative, for sure - certainly far better than what we serve up, anyway!It's not that I don't rate him but rather I would prefer that we target a replacement for Casemiro who is just as press resistant as Lavia but with the added benefit of having a more expansive passing range. I think that player or players will emerge by next summer and the way I'm reading things, I feel we'll prioritise a starting #6 alongside a RCB next summer.
If it's a either/or situation then Amrabat should be prioritised ahead of Onana imo. But Onana absolutely can contribute and his ability to defend transitions is quite impressive. For example the Wolves players wouldn't have been able to dribble away from him, and his ability on the ball where he can surge forward with the ball is also a handy weapon to have due to his size and pace. And we're a team that isn't the best at defending transitions. And if we want to play the game in the opponent's half via a higher defensive line then defending transitions against quick players has to be something we need to improve on. And the only way we can do that imo is by signing players who are going raise both the technical level in possession aswell as raising the physical and athletic level to control/contain transitions which is extremely important to maintain overall control. And I understand people preferring to see the more technical players thrive. But I think it's important we read the room as far the league is concerned and develop a team that can exert control in possession and out of possesion.
1: We exert zonal and positional control in possession.
2: We have the ability to press/counter press in coordination to try and win the ball back, proactively.
3: We have the ability to defend transitions in larger spaces.
And as far as Mainoo and Hannibal are concerned, I think Mainoo is going to be integrated into the team and ten Hag seemed to have had a plan for him in a deeper role before he unfortunately got injured. And as far as Hannibal is concerned, he needs games for his development. So he either gets them at United or he goes on loan. But he's definitely a player who I feel ticks a lot of boxes and is someone that I want to see in a more possession dominant setup.
And from what I've seen at youth level, there's a number of young midfielders that have started coming through at u18 level who are showing a extremely good level when it comes to evading the press and playing through the lines for their age groups. So I think in a few years we'll see at least one or two hopefully kick on and fulfil their potential.
He's completely ordinary - I just don't see him as enough of an upgrade on what we haveNot sure how you came to this conclusion, we only have Scott in the squad with his profile and we're open to selling him.
I can't claim to watch him very regularly, but he always impressed me when watching him with my brother in law, who's an everton fan.He's completely ordinary - I just don't see him as enough of an upgrade on what we have