Yeah it is. Garnacho is clearly better and is a baby in comparison.
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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Yeah it is. Garnacho is clearly better and is a baby in comparison.
The idea of selling him has never cropped up in my mind. He's far too talented. We need to give him opportunities. It would be a terrible shame not to.
No. This just shows a lack of appreciation for Amad's qualities.
I completely disagree. Garnacho will go far further than Amad in the game for me. He looks to already have more than Amad hence the no need for the loan move despite being a lot younger.
Amad went to Rangers in a poor man's league and didn't rip up any trees at all let's not forget.
We need to remember that Sunderland were just promoted this season and naturally tipped to either struggle or finish no higher than mid-table as a result. Also, Amad wasn’t actually first choice at the start of the season, and the initial manager, Alex Neil jumped ship midway through, so it’s not as if it hasn’t been a struggle for him this season.
Along with that, I really rate Amad (who doesn’t at this point), but would he really start at a non-relegation battling PL club? At Sunderland, he’s their best player by far and will be next season too probably regardless of who they sign, and therefore is guaranteed to start pretty much every game except against us.
Not really. It just shows how much more belief I have in Garnacho. He's in and around the first team for the foreseeable now. He's ready. Amad wasn't and still isn't.
Rangers got to a European final in May where they used 16 players over the 120 mins and he was an unused sub. He also didn't rip up any trees in the SPL whatsoever.
Garnacho will go on to play for Argentina first 11 I have ever confidence.
He started well, but then had a poor 45 minutes vs Celtic and after that very rarely got a sniff of consistent football. van Bronckhorst was sacked earlier this season, so I don’t think he was up to much really.
It's a tricky one because you want him to play at as high a level as possible, but he's the type of player who really thrives when he's playing for a side who dominates possession. I'm not so sure that playing every week camped in his own half tracking fullbacks, is the way to go. You also don't want to see him constantly sat on the bench either here or somewhere else. Hopefully whatever we decide works out well and benefits him and us.
Winger we have bought in recent years:
Diallo - 25m+15m adds on
Sancho - 80m
Alex - 85m
Yet probably none of them are better than our young academy player Garnacho.
Diallo - 25m+15m adds on
Sancho - 80m
Alex - 85m
Yet probably none of them are better than our young academy player Garnacho.
Yeah Garnacho is a good talent, but Amad is equally so. I don't hold the Rangers loan against him at all. Some loans work out and others do not. The Championship is a higher standard of football anyway. Rangers should be bemoaning the fact that they couldn't get this level of performance out of Amad. It's as much their fault as it was his.
They are all better. One fantastic trait Garnacho has shouldn't blind you from that fact. Garnacho has tremendous potential, though, but right now he isn't better.
Based on what I've seen in Man Utd over the past 1-2 years, I truly think Garnacho is better.
I think that’s skewed somewhat.
Chelsea only promoted those players when they did due to their transfer ban and in part because they had Lampard who had worked with James and Mount previously.
Antony?
Antony?
We will see. My gut is saying Garnacho becomes a big player and Amad moves on eventually and plays for a mid table PL club or goes abroad.
Very possible. Still, happy accident or not, it doesn't detract from the fact that the Championship appears to be an ideal league for the development of young players. Provides the rare combination of opportunity for regular minutes, extremely physical and a very decent technical level.
All possibilities are open of course. I will say that Garnacho's qualities are more obvious though because that's just the type of player he is. Different level of standard obviously, but it's like comparing a Rashford to a Silva.
His technique has bever been in question for me. Watch him once and it jumps out that he's one of the most technically skilled players in the side. The main issue is his physicality and being being tactically naive, two things that are expected with young players.
I really hope he can develop as both a RW and AM as that would give him a better opportunity of getting into the team.
I really hope he can develop as both a RW and AM as that would give him a better opportunity of getting into the team.
Two years in age difference between the players, what are you talking about?
It's possible to like Garnacho without detracting from Amad to labour the point. Player development isn't linear, and coming into the first team at a club like Man Utd and staying there isn't the norm. Amad did actually do well for us at that age too, and scored against Milan, but direct comparisons between him and Garnacho are pointless anyway because they're so different stylistically.
Two years in age difference between the players, what are you talking about?
It's possible to like Garnacho without detracting from Amad to labour the point. Player development isn't linear, and coming into the first team at a club like Man Utd and staying there isn't the norm. Amad did actually do well for us at that age too, and scored against Milan, but direct comparisons between him and Garnacho are pointless anyway because they're so different stylistically.
2 years might not seem a lot but it's bigger than you think at that level. An 18 year old is a baby up from the academy realistically. At 20 they should be in and around the first team for me with a fair bit of experience now.
I didn't word it particularly well though tbf.
Someone needs to explain to me why he’s out on loan and not Elanga. Quickly.
Until 6 months ago Amad literally had the body of a 14 year old boy though. Now he’s physically developed a bit he’s arguably looking like the best player in the championship - 25 senior games into his career - at 20. These things aren’t linear - everyone develops at different levels.
The great Elanga/Amad debate was interesting last season. Many were quick to turn on Amad when his loan at Rangers wasn't going too well, whereas Elanga was flavour of the month after a few goals for the first team. Elanga needs a loan big time or simply a permanent transfer.
Probably because Elanga came off a season where he was pretty decent and useful while the other had an abysmal season in bloody Scotland.
Fair few of the class of 92 were not in and around the first team at 20, Beckham was on loan at Preston at that age, so the above point just seems to be some arbitrary age related scale you have made up for yourself. Players develop at different rates, Garnacho is a great prospect and so is Amad, try to be happy about that fact instead of using some weird age related bias to hammer a kid who is doing exactly what he should be doing on loan.
Exactly. The Class of 92 comparisons have been pointed out before but that is always ignored as it doesn't suit the detailed analysis of, "20 year olds should be mainstays in the team or they'll never make it!"
Although the poster you're replying to was writing Amad off during preseason in this thread. He's now slightly moved the goalposts because a younger player has had a breakthrough this year and is using that as some odd confirmation bias that Amad won't make it.
Harry Kane at 20 hardly pulled up any trees on loan and didn't convince Spurs he was a player until was was 22.
Amad was unlucky to get injured just prior to a proposed loan at Feyenoord in August 2021 and was deprived of the chance of men's football as a result.
His Rangers loan ceased to be viable the moment Celtic hammered them and Van Bronkhorst decided that the risk to his own skin was more important than the development of a 19 year old.
Given a manager prepared to develop him, Amad has improved in some way in every game for Sunderland.
In yesterday's game his stats for touches, passes, and passes completed were higher than anyone else on the team.
Tony Mowbray said of him in November ""Diallo's training has been unbelievable, how fast he is, how direct he is and how good he is with the ball. You look at his physical data in every match in the last three or four games, he's been the highest distance covered, the highest sprint distance covered, the highest high-intensity energy runs."
I'm not sure how a 20yr old player, in these circumstances, could be returning better performances to show he will be ready for the first team next season. All the issues he needed to address are being resolved with each game.
Amad was unlucky to get injured just prior to a proposed loan at Feyenoord in August 2021 and was deprived of the chance of men's football as a result.
His Rangers loan ceased to be viable the moment Celtic hammered them and Van Bronkhorst decided that the risk to his own skin was more important than the development of a 19 year old.
Given a manager prepared to develop him, Amad has improved in some way in every game for Sunderland.
In yesterday's game his stats for touches, passes, and passes completed were higher than anyone else on the team.
Tony Mowbray said of him in November ""Diallo's training has been unbelievable, how fast he is, how direct he is and how good he is with the ball. You look at his physical data in every match in the last three or four games, he's been the highest distance covered, the highest sprint distance covered, the highest high-intensity energy runs."
I'm not sure how a 20yr old player, in these circumstances, could be returning better performances to show he will be ready for the first team next season. All the issues he needed to address are being resolved with each game.
Maybe because Ten Hag planned on Antony being his first choice and considered playing week in week out to be better for development than being backup and hardly getting minutes. As such sent the one with more talent on loan.
How many minutes has Elanga played this season?
A team like Rangers is not interested in developing someone else's talent. Being one of the top two teams in Scottish football, they aren't doing anything and everything to gain promotion. They develop their own talent and bring in already-developed talent. Sending Amad there was the mistake.
Sunderland, on the other hand, are doing anything and everything to gain promotion. Teams like that swap out players every season. Amad's talent level is high compared to most (all?) of their players, so it's worth it for them to bring him on, not for his development but for their own goals. It's a win-win. Sending Amad there was a wise move.
I think the main problem with most loan moves is matching the purposes of the loaning club with the borrowing club.
Sunderland, on the other hand, are doing anything and everything to gain promotion. Teams like that swap out players every season. Amad's talent level is high compared to most (all?) of their players, so it's worth it for them to bring him on, not for his development but for their own goals. It's a win-win. Sending Amad there was a wise move.
I think the main problem with most loan moves is matching the purposes of the loaning club with the borrowing club.
He's not "clearly better" though, he's clearly faster and more direct. That's useful as a youth player breaking in.
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How is he arguably the best player in the championship? He is at #49 on whoscored. Granted, he is the best Man Utd player on loan in the Championship, but that's about it.
Well I’m arguing it. As are loads of Sunderland fans on their forums. Even seen some Wigan fans saying it on Twitter. So it clearly is arguable by definition isn’t it? Even putting aside using a rating website as if it’s some godly definitive thing - it’s also entirely useless telling me what whoscored rates him for the entire season (against players in different positions too no less) when the entire premise of the post is about how much he’s improved the last few months - so oddly enough an average including what he was doing 12 games ago rating him against CBs is pointless. As of now I think he’s arguably one of the best players in the league. By the end of the season I expect him to clearly be the best player in the league and quite obviously above that level.
I hope you are right but the fact that Sunderland fans think he's the best means very little. It's called bias.
As for the moment, I am not convinced Amad is the best player in the Championship. But you are correct. It can be argued.