[LawCharltonBest]

Hopefully that's as BS a source as it looks.

He's already an International for Ivory Coast and much too good for the Championship.

Also they probably won't even play him, and play some 34 year old loser with underwhelming experience instead. If he goes there, we'll only be recalling him back in January and have wasted 6 months of his development.

 

[TsuWave]

Curious as to why? Henderson did well enough.

To be fair I think I worded it wrong. It’s not about Sheffield United per se. I just think loaning Amad is a bad move for us, mostly because I think we’d be better off with him here and the minutes going to Daniel James could/should be going his way

 

[Gandalf]

I personally think he's good enough to be on our bench already but whatever.

I think he is plenty good enough to be on our bench but I would worry that with Sancho, Martial, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford etc he would be rarely used. I think he is an automatic starter at Sheffield United and he is at an age where he needs a lot of competitive games to aid his development. I think we have let a couple of our younger lads stagnate in the past by not being willing to give them a loan and then not playing them enough, I believe Chelsea manage this far better than us and we should do the same.

 

[Nickelodeon]

You can’t base it on last season then really, the manager wasn’t there. Jokanovic has his teams playing fantastic football. I remember watching us play Fulham at home we lost 4-5 and Ryan Sessegnon bagged a hattrick. I’m sure Diallo would be fine…if it even happens.

Cheers buddy. If it indeed happens, you're going to be an important source of information for this thread.

 

[romufc]

I personally think he's good enough to be on our bench already but whatever.

Yes, but who will he come on for?

we get to make 3 subs... if we start Cavani, Sancho, Greenwood. We have Martial, Rashford, and a midfielder to come on.

He will hardly get any game time.

 

[Baneofthegame]

He needs games, didn’t hurt Mounts development in the championship.

 

[elmo]

Hopefully that's as BS a source as it looks.

He's already an International for Ivory Coast and much too good for the Championship.

Also they probably won't even play him, and play some 34 year old loser with underwhelming experience instead. If he goes there, we'll only be recalling him back in January and have wasted 6 months of his development.

He played about 1 hour worth in total.

It's the story of his career so far, he's talented but hasn't had enough playing time against men. Playing him in the championship would be good if he gets loads of playing time rather than sitting on our bench and getting the odd cup game appearances.

 

[Bebestation]

I don't understand why our players hardly get PL team loans.

Amad should be a useful player surely?

 

[macheda14]

Hopefully that's as BS a source as it looks.

He's already an International for Ivory Coast and much too good for the Championship.

Also they probably won't even play him, and play some 34 year old loser with underwhelming experience instead. If he goes there, we'll only be recalling him back in January and have wasted 6 months of his development.

My turn:

He’s a young slight player who would fall out of games due to the physicality, this was even the case during the Olympics. The Blades’ manager likes fast attacking football so not only will he be playing in a team that will be moderately similar to our play style he will also be getting used to the physicality of English football by playing over a whole season rather than bit part cameos here and there. Amad will be encouraged to track back more and build up endurance and strength. He will go on to be seen as one of the best players in the championship and come back to us ready to fight for a place taking the place of the squad of players like Martial and James.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

He played about 1 hour worth in total.

It's the story of his career so far, he's talented but hasn't had enough playing time against men. Playing him in the championship would be good if he gets loads of playing time rather than sitting on our bench and getting the odd cup game appearances.

He's already had a few caps and scored. He's in the picture.

He could be playing at a higher level than that. Wait until deadline day and you'll get a few clubs from top leagues scrambling for a forward of his talents. Offer to loan him under the premise that he has to start X number of games by January or they will have to pay a fee.

I believe Dortmund were targeting him to replace Sancho a year ago. And were willing to give him first team football. He is better than Sheffield United, i know he is. It should be a Premier league bottom team such as Southampton minimum. Again, under the agreement he starts regularly.

 

[Member 109952]

I don't understand why our players hardly get PL team loans.

Amad should be a useful player surely?

Most if not all teams already have established attackers. Amad is essentially an acafemy player for us at this point due to a lack of games.

He really should just go wherever he'll get 30 games, be that somewhere in Europe or in the Championship. The worst loans are the ones where they just sit on the bench and never play.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's already had a few caps and scored. He's in the picture.

He could be playing at a higher level than that. Wait until deadline day and you'll get a few clubs from top leagues scrambling for a forward of his talents. Offer to loan him under the premise that he has to start X number of games by January or they will have to pay a fee.

I believe Dortmund were targeting him to replace Sancho a year ago. And were willing to give him first team football. He is better than Sheffield United, i know he is. It should be a Premier league bottom team such as Southampton minimum. Again, under the agreement he starts regularly.

No such thing exists. It would be incredibly hard to find a club at any level willing to guarantee minutes to a teenage loanee, never mind a club that’s likely to be clinging on to its place in the PL.

Also. “Much too good for the Championship”? Based on what? A few cameos? Performances for the U23s?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

My turn:

He’s a young slight player who would fall out of games due to the physicality, this was even the case during the Olympics. The Blades’ manager likes fast attacking football so not only will he be playing in a team that will be moderately similar to our play style he will also be getting used to the physicality of English football by playing over a whole season rather than bit part cameos here and there. Amad will be encouraged to track back more and build up endurance and strength. He will go on to be seen as one of the best players in the championship and come back to us ready to fight for a place taking the place of the squad of players like Martial and James.

Garner was a standout player in the Championship for Forest. Still not touching Fred or McTominay.

People like to say the Championship is now very competitive, but the difference is actually huge. He needs to be playing against Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs. Not West Brom, Forest, Barnsley.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

No such thing exists. It would be incredibly hard to find a club at any level willing to guarantee minutes to a teenage loanee, never mind a club that’s likely to be clinging on to its place in the PL.

Also. “Much too good for the Championship”? Based on what? A few cameos? Performances for the U23s?

Chelsea and Liverpool constantly loan players well below Amad's talents and they play regularly and increase their value significantly. We loan particularly poorly, Sheffield United would be another example of that. It'll just be like loaning Garner to Watford where they play less talented experience. We will 100% end up recalling Amad from Sheff Utd.

Pellistri's loan is a bit meh too, but at least he's already played against Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico in his spell(s). They're the level of opposition we need Amad playing. He is good enough. Playing the Championship clubs will do bollock all. Only way i could get behind it is if he's there 6 months starting every match, showing he's way too good for that level and then give him a loan to a PL / Bundasliga, Serie A (etc) team for the remaining 6 months once he has first team football under his belt.

 

[Harry190]

I don't see a single player in 75% of the Premier League clubs who has scored a goal against AC Milan in the quarter final of the Europa League. Do you?

The main issue has to do with how they manage when he inevitably has to come back to United. They must ponder the consequences of short term gains over long term objectives.

 

[macheda14]

Garner was a standout player in the Championship. Still not touching Fred or McTominay.

People like to say the Championship is now very competitive, but the difference is actually huge. He needs to be playing against Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs. Not West Brom, Forest, Barnsley.

Mason Mount is a counter point. Played at Derby within two seasons is an important player for a CL winning side.

The difference of course is huge, but he won’t be playing for us against Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool.

We may have sounded out prem clubs looking to
Take him on loan and there were none.

I’m gonna trust Ole here.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Chelsea and Liverpool constantly loan players well below Amad's talents and they play regularly and increase their value significantly. We loan particularly poorly, Sheffield United would be another example of that. It'll just be like loaning Garner to Watford where they play less talented experience. We will 100% end up recalling Amad from Sheff Utd.

To other Premier League clubs? I’m guessing you have a long list of examples. Could you name a few?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Mason Mount is a counter point. Played at Derby within two seasons is an important player for a CL winning side.

The difference of course is huge, but he won’t be playing for us against Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool.

We may have sounded out prem clubs looking to
Take him on loan and there were none.

I’m gonna trust Ole here.

I hope the rumour is BS anyway because it would be an awful loan. But i'm happy to be proved wrong. But even if i'm wrong about him never playing, and he does start every game and is their best player by a canter.. It won't move him an inch up the pecking order next season. It's simply a ridiculous potential loan. I trust Ole, and trust this rumour is fake because he wouldn't sanction such a silly loan.

 

[Adnan]

Is it reliable? Was really hoping for a PL team so that I can watch him play. Good luck to him if it's true

The journo from my observation is pretty bad to say the least. Parma who are in the Italian top flight almost took the player on loan before we intervened and signed him, so joining a English second tier team a year later doesn't make much sense.

 

[bucky]

Wouldn't Norwich make the most sense, if it's a PL club? They lost Buendia and considering they are trying to play offensive football, it could actually be a helpful loan?

 

[luke511]

Sending a golden boy nominee, who's our only natural left footed right winger, to Sheffield is bizarre if true. Amad's treatment at the club has been questionable so far, there was plenty of occasions last season where he could've got game time but didn't, after scoring vs AC Milan he was only given an 8 minute cameo in the space of 2 months, which was vs Granada a month after the Milan game. It's a mystery why we even bought him, maybe Solskjaer didn't want him, like Van de Beek, and he's receiving similar treatment to prove a point.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

To other Premier League clubs? I’m guessing you have a long list of examples. Could you name a few?

Didn't say PL clubs. I said top division clubs. Look at Chelsea's sold players. They're sold on the back of successful loans. They've sold some loser called Tomori for huge money because they loaned well. Loftus Cheek. Barkley. Morata. They all loan to top teams and play against top teams.

None of them will have a fraction of the talent of someone like Amad who we're supposedly going to send to the Championship to play Peterborough and Luton

 

[Santos J]

Sending a golden boy nominee, who's our only natural left footed right winger, to Sheffield is bizarre if true. Amad's treatment at the club has been questionable so far, there was plenty of occasions last season where he could've got game time but didn't, after scoring vs AC Milan he was only given an 8 minute cameo in the space of 2 months, which was vs Granada a month after the Milan game. It's a mystery why we even bought him, maybe Solskjaer didn't want him, like Van de Beek, and he's receiving similar treatment to prove a point.

Maybe he didn't want him and is giving him "the treatment" because he's not regularly featured a kid who had about 100 minutes of professional football under his belt before signing for us and is in his first season in a completely new country

 

[Santos J]

Didn't say PL clubs. I said top division clubs. Look at Chelsea's sold players. They're sold on the back of successful loans. They've sold some loser called Tomori for huge money because they loaned well. Loftus Cheek. Barkley. Morata. They all loan to top teams and play against top teams.

None of them will have a fraction of the talent of someone like Amad who we're supposedly going to send to the Championship to play Peterborough and Luton

Tomori was on loan in the Championship before getting into Chelsea's first team so not sure you're making the point you think you are with that one. Just like Guehi.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Sending a golden boy nominee, who's our only natural left footed right winger, to Sheffield is bizarre if true. Amad's treatment at the club has been questionable so far, there was plenty of occasions last season where he could've got game time but didn't, after scoring vs AC Milan he was only given an 8 minute cameo in the space of 2 months, which was vs Granada a month after the Milan game. It's a mystery why we even bought him, maybe Solskjaer didn't want him, like Van de Beek, and he's receiving similar treatment to prove a point.

He was definitely a club purchase, that much is obvious. I'm sure Ole was happy to take him on but he wasn't somebody Ole had purposely picked like Sancho.

I wonder whether he's regretting not staying another year at Atlanta, he'd have played there a lot more last year IMO.

 

[Gandalf]

Didn't say PL clubs. I said top division clubs. Look at Chelsea's sold players. They're sold on the back of successful loans. They've sold some loser called Tomori for huge money because they loaned well. Loftus Cheek. Barkley. Morata. They all loan to top teams and play against top teams.

None of them will have a fraction of the talent of someone like Amad who we're supposedly going to send to the Championship to play Peterborough and Luton

The bolded two hardly qualify as young up and coming talents loaned to get game experience, they were big money star signings who flopped and ended up being loaned to get them off the wage bill. I don't see any comparison to Amad and his situation.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Tomori was on loan in the Championship before getting into Chelsea's first team so not sure you're making the point you think you are with that one. Just like Guehi.

Already said only way i can get on board is if they loan to the Championship before loaning to a top league

My secondary point was that they loan to clubs who play them. Probably because Chelsea install conditions to ensure they get playing time. Whereas the loan to Sheff Utd will be pointless because he won't play.

If Sheff Utd agree to play him regularly and then we move Amad higher up the ladder once he proves he's way too good for the Championship and Birmingham have retired a shirt number for him, then fine. But it won't happen. They'll be going for promotion and therefore will just fall back on experience. It'll be like Jimmy Garner to Watford, as was my example.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

The bolded two hardly qualify as young up and coming talents loaned to get game experience, they were big money star signings who flopped and ended up being loaned to get them off the wage bill. I don't see any comparison to Amad and his situation.

He's already better than both combined.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Sheffield are hardly a great offensive side either are they?

If that's the case, maybe Amad can be an important attacking player for them which means hell 'play loads and help him gain match experience, but i also agree he's better off playing at a higher level

 

[luke511]

Maybe he didn't want him and is giving him "the treatment" because he's not regularly featured a kid who had about 100 minutes of professional football under his belt before signing for us and is in his first season in a completely new country

Like I said there was plenty of opportunities to give him minutes after the AC Milan game but he didn't get a sniff. He wasn't playing because he wasn't up to it, he'd just helped utd knock out AC Milan and is a huge talent, any other manager would be itching to give him game time after the lack of a natural right winger for so long. I don't think a loan to Sheffield will help him settle in a 'completely new country' either, in terms of settlement he'd be much better off staying at utd.

 

[Gandalf]

He's already better than both combined.

Bold statement. I love his potential but we have an incredibly small sample size of games in which to judge him and he would not be the first player to be massively overrated based on a couple of highlights. I understand the belief he is better than the championship but I also think part of what he needs right now is just volume of games and to be playing in a side that is playing on the front foot. I saw Norwich mentioned as a PL destination but honestly I am not sure getting battered every week and finishing in 20th is going to be good for him whereas a promotion chase in the Championship may well let him express himself more and find his strengths. In the end I am going to trust the process with Ole as the people working with him every day will know best what it is he needs.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Already said only way i can get on board is if they loan to the Championship before loaning to a top league

My secondary point was that they loan to clubs who play them. Probably because Chelsea install conditions to ensure they get playing time. Whereas the loan to Sheff Utd will be pointless because he won't play.

If Sheff Utd agree to play him regularly and then we move Amad higher up the ladder once he proves he's way too good for the Championship and Birmingham have retired a shirt number for him, then fine. But it won't happen. They'll be going for promotion and therefore will just fall back on experience. It'll be like Jimmy Garner to Watford, as was my example.

So he won’t get played in the Championship according to you but that the same time should be loaned to a PL club. How does that work? Why would a club not play someone who is “way too good” for them?

Garner played loads for Watford, 21 appearances in half a season. The issue was he was shit during those appearances, much like your examples.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

My initial thought was... why?! As I think he's miles more talented than James.

But if the below is the case then could be a great move for him if she shines. Personally, though he looked 1st team material based on the little he's played for us.

Jokanovic is all about the fast attacking football, if he plays a lot it'll be a great move for him. United should be in the mix for promotion.

 

[Leonzo1]

Completely forgot he used to wear #19
This wasn't mentioned anywhere and I was sure Varane took a vacant number. Apparently Amad wears #16 now. Weird that they still took A squad number from someone to give to Varane yet he still does not wear #4.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Bold statement. I love his potential but we have an incredibly small sample size of games in which to judge him and he would not be the first player to be massively overrated based on a couple of highlights. I understand the belief he is better than the championship but I also think part of what he needs right now is just volume of games and to be playing in a side that is playing on the front foot. I saw Norwich mentioned as a PL destination but honestly I am not sure getting battered every week and finishing in 20th is going to be good for him whereas a promotion chase in the Championship may well let him express himself more and find his strengths. In the end I am going to trust the process with Ole as the people working with him every day will know best what it is he needs.

By all means trust Ole. He lives the game and I lick pizzas. I just think playing in the Championship will do little. He will come back still not ready for Man Utd for Champions League football. Whereas playing for a Norwich, he'll play against Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool.. You'll see how he is against the top brass.

So he won’t get played in the Championship according to you but that the same time should be loaned to a PL club. How does that work? Why would a club not play someone who is “way too good” for them?

Garner played loads for Watford, 21 appearances in half a season. The issue was he was shit during those appearances, much like your examples.

Girrrrrrl. You owe me a sweet for that.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Really hope it's to a Prem team as he is easily good enough.

Though palace is risky with Viera and that.

 

[Gandalf]

If it is a PL club I would hope it is a good footballing side like Brighton, I think Potter is a really good coach. I think Viera is going to be a disaster at Palace and I am not confident he would have a clear plan for Amad.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Really hope it's to a Prem team as he is easily good enough.

Though palace is risky with Viera and that.

As long as he plays regularly enough, Palace are decent enough that he will get good football there.

Having Vieira as a french speaking manager too will help. He and Zaha could link up nicely.

I think this would be a better option for him than the championship.

 

[Hoof the ball]

We have to be more adept at getting young players out on loan to clubs that have a similar profile to our own in terms of footballing approach. After all, we want to encourage him in his technical and attacking development and traits; we certainly don't want to minimise them. A loan to a club that would be reticent to indulge his strengths would be a bad move for him. "For the experience" isn't a valid argument, unless of course, the experience in question provides him minutes, licence and competition in which to have a chance at improving.

 

[Champ]

It's funny seeing that list of teams that are supposedly after Amad on loan, FC Basel was another that was mooted,

People have been saying on here for ages that he is good enough to get starts at United, yet he appears to be only just good enough for a lower Premiership team and Championship teams. Seems strange why higher tier teams wouldn't be after him, someone like Villa, Wolves or Newcastle, instead of relegation threatened and lower tier teams.