So I didn't make up anything, yeah you didn't say anything about rating him but IIRC you didn't think he was impressive. I remember those posts, few people pointing out that in Jan you wanted club to drop him to u18 from u23 and then in Feb having a go at Ole for not playing him for first team.
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So I didn't make up anything, yeah you didn't say anything about rating him but IIRC you didn't think he was impressive. I remember those posts, few people pointing out that in Jan you wanted club to drop him to u18 from u23 and then in Feb having a go at Ole for not playing him for first team.
Part of conversation (as some sort of proof).
What's the uproar? He is behind Greenwood and Sancho on the right. He is 3rd choice. Is Sancho hits the ground running along with Martial, Greenwood and Cavani by January James himself will be asking to be sold or loaned. I am actually worried for Greenwood if he doesn't start scoring from word go.
The only challenge is see is that the club like the fans falls into the hype. Wanting him to teams like villa, Brighton does him no good. There is a reason some teams get good loans for their players and we don't. We even almost messed up sending Garner on loan by sending to a top championship team last year, he ended up doing well at a midtable one. He is 18, priority should be minutes whether in the championship, Dutch league.
The only challenge is see is that the club like the fans falls into the hype. Wanting him to teams like villa, Brighton does him no good. There is a reason some teams get good loans for their players and we don't. We even almost messed up sending Garner on loan by sending to a top championship team last year, he ended up doing well at a midtable one. He is 18, priority should be minutes whether in the championship, Dutch league.
I'd happily give up on the Carabao Cup to let Amad develop.
I'd be okay with the FA CUP too but that would fluctuate depending on the season and our expectations.
I'd be okay with the FA CUP too but that would fluctuate depending on the season and our expectations.
Okay, carry on.
Up until Rashford returns in (October /November) our front 3 could be Pogba, Cavani, Sancho. Sometimes it could be Sancho, Cavani, Greenwood. Either way as long as they are fit I would imagine Martial /Greenwood are the ones who will be getting off the bench for the forward positions. James best chance for minutes injuries permitting will be carabao cup and some minutes here and there as a sub. Do you believe that would be sufficient for Amad?
What happens to him if we get knocked out early?
It's not Ole's fault we can't shift the likes of Lingard and Andreas. If both of those had gone Amad would be staying.
Nobody is forcing him to use them. Surely he can be more ruthless regarding them too? Sounded like "Jesse wants to stay and then we let him stay" to me according to the reports.
Stop making sensible posts, remember this is the Caf.
Which other player you referring too?
This, and the fact that this even needs to be said is quite perplexing. People have no patience these days - a player is an instant hit or ready to be written off. A good loan deal at the right club will be excellent for Amad's development.
You are right, I think its about balancing players like Amad and elanga with players like VDB, Lindelof, Telles, matic, De gea (after Henderson drops him) etc - players that could be needing the time to fight for a spot too.
I have no issue with him going out on loan for a year since he needs lots of appearances to help his development and he is behind Sancho and Greenwood right now. I really hope the club don't let him slip away though because this kid is definitely going to be world class in the future.
Because Lingard can contribute. He's not a bad player and is a decent squad option. Ole would prefer selling him though but nobody is paying what the club is asking for.
It's best for Amad to go out on loan to somewhere he can play regular first team football.
Good post.
A good decision.
Not sure why people are blaming James . They don't play the same position, Amad is in competition with Sancho/Greenwood/Mata and he really won't get a lot of minutes in there especially once Rashford is back. Makes sense that he gets regular games somewhere rather than some small minutes here.
You can't expect young players to become consistent all of a sudden without them getting consistent minutes on the pitch. Playing 30 odd minutes as a sub, then sitting on the bench for 10 odd games to then get 30 odd minutes is not good for young players.
Not sure why people are blaming James . They don't play the same position, Amad is in competition with Sancho/Greenwood/Mata and he really won't get a lot of minutes in there especially once Rashford is back. Makes sense that he gets regular games somewhere rather than some small minutes here.
You can't expect young players to become consistent all of a sudden without them getting consistent minutes on the pitch. Playing 30 odd minutes as a sub, then sitting on the bench for 10 odd games to then get 30 odd minutes is not good for young players.
Agree with this, James is useful in some situations where we need that defensive work rate / want to use his pace on the counter.
Amad's too good for the U-23s, not quite ready for the first team. A year on loan where he features regularly is a great option. I don't get the "slip away" comments either - he has got a long contract with us, where exactly is he going to slip away?
I hope we choose a good club for him. Sending him to Championship team which is struggling may not work out. Would prefer Spain or Germany if teams there can guarantee first team football.
Hmmmm....i would be quite happy for him to go to somewhere like Brighton or Brentford where he could potentially get alot of game time and PL experience. A good championship club would be ok. I'd want him to stay in England, get experience and toughen up.
Personally I'd keep him this season and make sure he got game time. But Utd think differently.
Mata & Lingard staying then ? At least we could wait with Rashford fully coming back, but I trust Amad will have guaranteed majority games on loan.
Wondering if we're letting go Mejbri, too.
Wondering if we're letting go Mejbri, too.
A loan where he will actually play regularly makes a lot of sense. A player of his supposed talent will not develop that talent if he plays 15 min here every 5-6 games at best.
However, I think he needs to stay in England if at all possible. He needs to get used to playing at the intensity and defenders he'd face in the league. I can't think of any successful loans outside of England for us in the past.
However, I think he needs to stay in England if at all possible. He needs to get used to playing at the intensity and defenders he'd face in the league. I can't think of any successful loans outside of England for us in the past.
I actually think Spain or Italy (language) would be better. He's tiny currently, he'll get pushed around in the Championship and it's unlikely he'll get much game time at a prem team.
Does beg the question though why we spent £30m+ on a player who's not even ready to be on our bench.
Because he was the top rated prospect in Europe and last year we had a clear run at him once we knew Dortmund weren't going to let us haggle. That wouldn't have happened this year because of Sancho and another team may have come in for him.
All I'll say is he would be starting a decent amount of games if he had went to Dormtund.
Obviously we don't have that luxury but he is ready to contribute.
Hopefully the loan is to a good team that actually has possession
Obviously we don't have that luxury but he is ready to contribute.
Hopefully the loan is to a good team that actually has possession
We havent spent 30m+ on him. We’ve spent 21.3m.
Keep him around till Jan to assess his tekkers.
It seems insane since he'd be forced to defend so much and the style is all wrong, but I'd like to see him loaned to Burnley since they play 2 wingers and have literally 2 wingers in McNeil and Gudmunsson (who has had serious injury issues) right now and are considering bringing back a 34 year old Lennon. He'd learn some defensive work, which we will need him to develop for big games if we assume Sancho and Bruno are playing out left and as a 10 in a 4-2-3-1 if he can blossom and get lots of minutes at RW here, and at the very least be their main non-striker attacker off the bench.
The other Prem teams have too much depth out wide now that Norwich have signed 2 out and wingers. Maybe Southampton, since they're short of quality out wide (Armstrong, Djenepo, Walcott since Tella is going to battle Armstrong as a 2nd striker) though I'd be worried about Hassenhuttl using him only as a sub if he doesn't press well enough, or Newcastle if they don't sign another #8 and have to play Fraser or Almiron next to Willock in the 4-3-3 they want to play, though it would worry me they'll just stick one out wide and one of the Longstaffs or Shelvey will play there. Brentford, I can't say I a ton about, but they appear to be going with a 4-3-3 and not the 3 at the back they ended the season on, so if we felt good about that it could be a good fit.
More likely, I'd guess he goes to Ligue 1 or La Liga, but if he stays in the Prem and we want him to adapt to English, those seem like the most promising playing time options.
The other Prem teams have too much depth out wide now that Norwich have signed 2 out and wingers. Maybe Southampton, since they're short of quality out wide (Armstrong, Djenepo, Walcott since Tella is going to battle Armstrong as a 2nd striker) though I'd be worried about Hassenhuttl using him only as a sub if he doesn't press well enough, or Newcastle if they don't sign another #8 and have to play Fraser or Almiron next to Willock in the 4-3-3 they want to play, though it would worry me they'll just stick one out wide and one of the Longstaffs or Shelvey will play there. Brentford, I can't say I a ton about, but they appear to be going with a 4-3-3 and not the 3 at the back they ended the season on, so if we felt good about that it could be a good fit.
More likely, I'd guess he goes to Ligue 1 or La Liga, but if he stays in the Prem and we want him to adapt to English, those seem like the most promising playing time options.
1, haven’t spent that much yet, and 2, because everyone who’s watched him knows how special he could be. He just might develop at his own rate
Buzzing if true. Send him to the Bundesliga. He’d have a field day.
The French lads get it worse. People don't hate James, they just realize he's no where good enough for this club even as a squad player.
Club will probably send him to some relegation fodder so he can learn "work ethic" like James. I hope he succeeds here but can't understand why he moved to United to be fair.
You can’t understand why an 18 year old footballer who played 4 times for Atlanta would join Manchester United?
Well, he's a huge talent and because of Atlanta's playing style as a winger he wouldnt really get much opportunities.
But with his talent, he could have easily moved to a club where he'd get more chances in quite a good league. He's really at that age as well where he just needs games and security, loans may work but you will never be their player, the other issue is who he has ahead of him, the club was clearly gonna sign Sancho, you have Greenwood ahead of you and then the likes of James and Mata who shouldn't even be here.
Some will say if you're good enough it shouldnt be an issue, but it is never a fair chance to begin with. I think a lot of young English talent are seeing the light though and moving away, to go get those minutes at an attacking club where they are valued and get game time.
I have no issue with him going on loan. It's probably better because Sancho is 100% ahead of him and this means he will spend most of his time on the bench. However, it doesn't change the fact we still need to sell one of our senior attacker like James or Lingard or someone else despite of Amad going on loan.
Imagine head-scratching and claiming some sort of ‘confusion’ as to why someone may not rate Dan fecking James. A player who, if he walked out of OT today, would count himself extremely fortunate to land in the top half of the PL. Confused to the point where you can only conclude it must be due to his nationality.
In Sweden, they say that United only rates Maguire because he is English. I guess you chose what fits your argument
It beggars belief. That's the reality of tribal fandom
That's misleading...no Lingard (14), Pereria (15), Dalot (20)? And in a different shop for U.S., Amad is available, as are other players. All to say this screenshot is not a good indicator for going on loan.
I know we hear lots about "English bias" but I genuinely believe amongst football hipsters that there is an anti English bias.... Harry Maguire is an outstanding CB. Best in the world? Probably not. But a really solid player in a key position that you never really have to worry about... Absolutely. He is very, very good. Can't get the criticism he gets.In Sweden, they say that United only rates Maguire because he is English. I guess you chose what fits your argument
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