Alphonso Davies

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/alphonso-davies-man-utd-transfer-33977187.amp

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...g-offer-davies?arena_mid=V9zZkkZnxOIi85pRwRP5

Been quite a few reports on this over the past few weeks and now with Amorim coming in who’s known to play attacking wing backs added to the fact Davies is on a free in the summer and one of the best left wing back around it would make perfect sense to at least make a strong attempt to sign him.

From Ineos point of view Davies certainly fits the profile of young (still only 24) but very experienced, potential to become even better and fits the coaches tactical system. I’d still bring back Alvaro from Benfica too then use Shaw when/if fit as a back up to Martinez as left sided centre back, I think they’d be far less stress on Shaw’s body as centre back in comparison to bombing up and down the wing.
 
davidmichael said:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...Alphonso-Davies-Bayern-Munich-Real-Madrid/amp

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/alphonso-davies-man-utd-transfer-33977187.amp

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...g-offer-davies?arena_mid=V9zZkkZnxOIi85pRwRP5

Been quite a few reports on this over the past few weeks and now with Amorim coming in who’s known to play attacking wing backs added to the fact Davies is on a free in the summer and one of the best left wing back around it would make perfect sense to at least make a strong attempt to sign him.

From Ineos point of view Davies certainly fits the profile of young (still only 24) but very experienced, potential to become even better and fits the coaches tactical system. I’d still bring back Alvaro from Benfica too then use Shaw when/if fit as a back up to Martinez as left sided centre back, I think they’d be far less stress on Shaw’s body as centre back in comparison to bombing up and down the wing.
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He's also looking for a large sign on fee + hefty wages.
 
We have Harry Amass coming through the ranks so I don't see us paying a gigantic fee + huge salary to another bloke who'd likely only be coming here for the money.

I'd be highly surprised if this is the profile of player INEOS are looking at. There will be 10+ LWBs in world football between 18-24 who would cost a fraction of the sort of money Davies would want and have the potential to be as good if well-coached. We just have to get better at finding them and developing them.
 
NotChatGPT said:
He's also looking for a large sign on fee + hefty wages.
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£10 million and £250k a week is less than say a £40 million transfer fee and £140k a week over five years, far cheaper than De Ligt. I think you have to look at overall packages now with PSR how it is. I’m not saying we should definitely do it, but if it’s crucial position for Amorim’s formation, the outlay for a 24 year old is not that extreme.
 
Dan_F said:
£10 million and £250k a week is less than say a £40 million transfer fee and £140k a week over five years, far cheaper than De Ligt. I think you have to look at overall packages now with PSR how it is. I’m not saying we should definitely do it, but if it’s crucial position for Amorim’s formation, the outlay for a 24 year old is not that extreme.
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Its not really far cheaper though is it?

140k with 40m fee over 5 years = £76m

250k with 10m fee over 5 years = £75m

Over 5 years is 200k cheaper per year..
 
Lentwood said:
We have Harry Amass coming through the ranks so I don't see us paying a gigantic fee + huge salary to another bloke who'd likely only be coming here for the money.
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Come on, man. H.Amass might be a big talent but he’s currently a 17 year old who hasn’t played for the first team. We have two senior left left backs who haven’t played more than 2 games in a row in about 18 months.

Davies is one of the very best left backs on the market, if we can get him - why not?
 
Lentwood said:
We have Harry Amass coming through the ranks so I don't see us paying a gigantic fee + huge salary to another bloke who'd likely only be coming here for the money.

I'd be highly surprised if this is the profile of player INEOS are looking at. There will be 10+ LWBs in world football between 18-24 who would cost a fraction of the sort of money Davies would want and have the potential to be as good if well-coached. We just have to get better at finding them and developing them.
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Most other options would cost a huge transfer fee.

Free signings will be high priority for any well run club.

The player will rightly look for a big signing on fee. Clubs will be willing to pay a big signing on fee given that will likely be less than the value of a transfer fee. Both the club and the player can benefit hugely. Save £60m or so on a transfer fee, and essentially negotiate how much of that saving is paid to the player.
 
I don't see why he'd come. He's currently at Bayern and has interest from Real Madrid. We can't even guarantee Champions League football.
 
He's the profile of player we need, he's athletic, quick, good on the ball, decent defensively. But I don't want somebody who's not 100% committed to the cause or only after the highest pay day. If he genuinely wanted to come then great, but i suspect there'll be better teams looking to sign him, who can offer better prospects of winning things.

I don't bother watching much football outside of the PL these days, but another potentially good option would be Antonee Robinson at Fulham. The only downside there is he's a bit older, plus Fulham may ask for a lot for him.
 
Dan_F said:
£10 million and £250k a week is less than say a £40 million transfer fee and £140k a week over five years, far cheaper than De Ligt. I think you have to look at overall packages now with PSR how it is. I’m not saying we should definitely do it, but if it’s crucial position for Amorim’s formation, the outlay for a 24 year old is not that extreme.
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Except that Davies had been reported to be looking for something in the region of 320k/wk, and I doubt he'll be any less greedy with the sign-on fee. I highly doubt that United is willing to pay that, and to be honest, he's not worth that much either.
 
romufc said:
Its not really far cheaper though is it?

140k with 40m fee over 5 years = £76m

250k with 10m fee over 5 years = £75m

Over 5 years is 200k cheaper per year..
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I’m just saying that it’s not as bigger outlay as it seems. No one would care if we paid £40 million and £140k for him.

If his contract wasn’t expiring, we’d never be able to get him for that price.

G3079 said:
Except that Davies had been reported to be looking for something in the region of 320k/wk, and I doubt he'll be any less greedy with the sign-on fee. I highly doubt that United is willing to pay that, and to be honest, he's not worth that much either.
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I saw £10 million and £250k so was just using those figures.
 
Dan_F said:
I saw £10 million and £250k so was just using those figures.
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I'd be very surprised if he was asking only that of United now after he was reported to be offered ~240k/wk from Bayern while demanding 320k at the start of the year.
 
He ain’t coming here but people making up reasons why he wouldn’t be an incredible signing is very weird.
 
Signing a left back on over 300k a week would be incredibly stupid!

He's a good player but he's not worth anywhere near that much. There are absolutely loads of options that would want less than a third of that amount!

Off the top of my head, Milos Kerkez, Leif Davis and Rayan Ait-Nouri.

Do people not understand that one of the biggest mistakes we've made since Sir Alex stepped down is signing big name players on massive contracts.

Let him go to Madrid!
 
Madrid will never give him the 250k per week he seeks, so I suppose that if we do an offer to Bayern this winter they may listen it, so does Davies.

The point is, do we want to bring a left back on 250k per week and unbalance a weak dressing room?

Luke Shaw would be there to leak everything on the media. Sitting on the bench with 180k-200k per week.

Then what would think Dalot of this arrival ? Dalot can easily turn the likes of Casemiro, Bruno etc against the club.

So basically the balance of the dressing room should also be taken in account.

And having a big earner like that on the team won't be good, when we need to reduce our wages.
 
G3079 said:
I'd be very surprised if he was asking only that of United now after he was reported to be offered ~240k/wk from Bayern while demanding 320k at the start of the year.
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Yes but I’m assuming Bayern wouldn’t be giving him £10 million up front.
 
Lentwood said:
We have Harry Amass coming through the ranks so I don't see us paying a gigantic fee + huge salary to another bloke who'd likely only be coming here for the money.

I'd be highly surprised if this is the profile of player INEOS are looking at. There will be 10+ LWBs in world football between 18-24 who would cost a fraction of the sort of money Davies would want and have the potential to be as good if well-coached. We just have to get better at finding them and developing them.
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I've honestly lost count of the amount of youth squad players this forum has banked on coming through and being an integral member of the first XI.

Point being - it would be foolish to count on a 17 year old with zero senior minutes becoming the sole solution to your LB/LWB problems.
 
Chaky_Best said:
The point is, do we want to bring a left back on 250k per week and unbalance a weak dressing room?
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INEOS are savvy financially - I can see them figuring out a way to pay him the money while also keeping the wage component of it matching what a LB should make (say 120k p/w). Free agents are always going to be more expensive than players you need to pay a transfer fee for. As long as the total numbers amortized over 5 years aren't ridiculous, it should be fine.
 
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Isn’t the reason he’s going to be available for free pretty much because Madrid have been up to their old tricks again?
 
MaMa given red said:
Signing a left back on over 300k a week would be incredibly stupid!

He's a good player but he's not worth anywhere near that much. There are absolutely loads of options that would want less than a third of that amount!

Off the top of my head, Milos Kerkez, Leif Davis and Rayan Ait-Nouri.

Do people not understand that one of the biggest mistakes we've made since Sir Alex stepped down is signing big name players on massive contracts.

Let him go to Madrid!
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Unless we are in Champions League he is never going to come. His agent will beusing Utd to get a better contract off Madrid. We have to scout the next Davies not waste time as Moyes did on Bale and Fabregas chasing pipe dreams.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I've honestly lost count of the amount of youth squad players this forum has banked on coming through and being an integral member of the first XI.

Point being - it would be foolish to count on a 17 year old with zero senior minutes becoming the sole solution to your LB/LWB problems.
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The point is the focus will be on developing talent, not buying in established talent.

How many "no brainer" signings have we paid big money for to come in and make an impact on a massive deal?

How many have worked...?
 
romufc said:
Its not really far cheaper though is it?

140k with 40m fee over 5 years = £76m

250k with 10m fee over 5 years = £75m

Over 5 years is 200k cheaper per year..
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Club will pay more tax on the higher salary as well surely? So actually more expensive.
 
''He won't come'' ''He's going to Madrid'' ''Why would he come?" y'all never learn. Luckily players don't think like you guys. You are United fans that love self loathing and looking down on your own club. Thankfully players see the club differently even with the low period of success we are in now. You were all Yoro would never join in the summer and see how that panned out. We have pull, you may be disenfranchised because of how it's been but players around the world still see us as a top top club and would love to be here.
 
Don’t see any harm in trying personally

It’s not like he’s some ageing has-been he’s in his prime
 
Chaky_Best said:
Madrid will never give him the 250k per week he seeks, so I suppose that if we do an offer to Bayern this winter they may listen it, so does Davies.

The point is, do we want to bring a left back on 250k per week and unbalance a weak dressing room?

Luke Shaw would be there to leak everything on the media. Sitting on the bench with 180k-200k per week.

Then what would think Dalot of this arrival ? Dalot can easily turn the likes of Casemiro, Bruno etc against the club.

So basically the balance of the dressing room should also be taken in account.

And having a big earner like that on the team won't be good, when we need to reduce our wages
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But Spain has much lower tax.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I've honestly lost count of the amount of youth squad players this forum has banked on coming through and being an integral member of the first XI.

Point being - it would be foolish to count on a 17 year old with zero senior minutes becoming the sole solution to your LB/LWB problems.
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And big money signings always seem to work out so well for us :rolleyes:
 
Strachan8 said:
Unless we are in Champions League he is never going to come. His agent will beusing Utd to get a better contract off Madrid. We have to scout the next Davies not waste time as Moyes did on Bale and Fabregas chasing pipe dreams.
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How many times have we heard this, and time and time again, it is proven that it is not of significant importance for a player when deciding their new club? It is all about convincing, the project, and of course money, depending on their ambitions.

You're making it out as if there are a lot of LBs available out there with Davies' potential. If he is available, then of course we should try to get him. Why do we always need to scout youth players with a lot of potential? You also need genuinely great players if you want to compete, not players that may be great in 3 years.
 
Grand Vizier said:
How many times have we heard this, and time and time again, it is proven that it is not of significant importance for a player when deciding their new club? It is all about convincing, the project, and of course money, depending on their ambitions.

You're making it out as if there are a lot of LBs available out there with Davies' potential. If he is available, then of course we should try to get him. Why do we always need to scout youth players with a lot of potential? You also need genuinely great players if you want to compete, not players that may be great in 3 years.
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Exactly this! Feels like our fan base has got obsessed with only buying young players with potential! Yes of course we need to be hoovering up the best young talent but we will never get back to the top with potential alone. Experienced world class players like Davies, when available, will lift the whole squad and set standards for those that follow!
For every Wayne Rooney SAF signed, he also brought in players like Dwight Yotke who were at their peak and could deliver straight away
 
Are the alleged delusional demands of 20 million a year true or just rumours/clickbait?

As a player he would obviously be a huge improvement over what we have, considering how he fits in for Amorim. Age is very good, too.

Personally I don't want him around. I remember him from singing like a bellend on tiktok, which was painful to watch.

Zero self awareness and that type of behaviour is not what I want to see in the dressing room. The Lingard/Pogba days of cringe are in the past and that's where they belong.

Ignoring his social media performances, I doubt he would have the motivation to come here.
Utd on the up or Real Madrid on top, playing with Dalot/Bruno/Maguire or with Mbappe/Vinicius/Bellingham? I don't see how we'll manage to get it done.
 
I hope we get him. Bang in the middle of his prime. Good injury record. Unplayable on his day and is still worth 70 plus million under contract. I’d give Shaw one more season competing with a better player to see if it gets anything more out of him.
 
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Financial speculation aside, what we need need now is to raise the profile of the squad. The only players we have who have actually been part of succesful teams who’ve consistently competed for things are Casemiro and Evans, who are both well over the hill. We’ve got a decent squad but we reall need top quality to get to the level we want to reach. Here’s a guy who plays a position we need, who’s won it all at a big club and is only just entering his prime.
I’d question why we wouldn’t be looking very seriously at this opportunity.
That being said, obviously I’m also expecting us to be smart about the contracts we’re giving out as that has been one of our biggest issues since the Woodward era.
 
We should certainly make him a reasonable offer and then be very ready to leave it at that if his demands are ridiculous.
 
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