All Time Test Cricket Snake Draft

Moby said:
Really though, we have discussed this previously but using that cricinfo filter to pluck out averages for one position for both pointing out strength or weakness and doing so without much context can be misplaced arguments. A lot of batsmen averages get inflated if you look at one particular position.

Basically entire career stats by and large carry the most weightage.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the skillset required for that position. An openers average is more important in number 1 & 2; I agree that 3-6 is largely alright though 6 requires a slightly different type of batsman.
 
Mani said:
Like your team moby,never heard of Ian Redpath will google on him anyway.
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Thanks Mani.

Yes, will try to do a write up on him. Essencially a tough as nails opener for Australia with massive reserves of concentration and determination as Greg Chappell says. A true fighter who would put a massive price on his wicket, which Steve Waugh would appreciate. Given he is surrounded by incredibly prolific run scorers like Cook, Abbas and Sachin, his grit and the fact that he can protect others against hostile bowling would be highly valuable.

Greg Chappell remembers his own Test debut. “My first innings in Test cricket was, as you might expect, a trying experience, but proved to be one of the best cricket lessons of my career, thanks to Ian Redpath. I came to the wicket with Australia reeling at 107 for five to join Redders [Redpath], who had watched three quick wickets fall at the other end. The English left me largely untouched while zeroing in on Redders— just about the toughest batsman to dislodge. They figured if they got him the tail would capitulate. John Snow put all his energy into trapping Redders down at his end and bombarding him. They picked the wrong bloke. Snowy would follow through right in Redder’s face. After each bouncer that he evaded with his trademark Redpath sway, he’d look at Snowy and mouth ‘Get f@#%ed’.”

:lol:
 
Interval said:
Not necessarily. It depends on the skillset required for that position. An openers average is more important in number 1 & 2; I agree that 3-6 is largely alright though 6 requires a slightly different type of batsman.
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True and that's part of what I was saying. You've gone ahead and added context to the stat and not picked up Rahul Dravid's few innings as an opener and argued based on his stats at that position portraying that as evidence for him being a great opener. (Not that I think he wouldn't be but THAT is not an evidence for that case).

In the case of middle order batsmen that happens a bit more while it matters less and less in some cases. Openers and no.3 require special skillsets, but the next three don't necessarily have to adjust massively if played at either position. But in any case, it depends on the case in hand and an argument made on his skillset far overweighs such filtered stats. And in most cases, a filtered stat should not deviate much from the overall stat if the filter is something like batting position.
 
Interval said:
Not necessarily. It depends on the skillset required for that position. An openers average is more important in number 1 & 2; I agree that 3-6 is largely alright though 6 requires a slightly different type of batsman.
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Batsmen at 6 need to adjust to second new ball, he also one who need to pace his innings in short duration when it required.
 
Moby said:
Thanks Mani.

Yes, will try to do a write up on him. Essencially a tough as nails opener for Australia with massive reserves of concentration and determination as Greg Chappell says. A true fighter who would put a massive price on his wicket, which Steve Waugh would appreciate. Given he is surrounded by incredibly prolific run scorers like Cook, Abbas and Sachin, his grit and the fact that he can protect others against hostile bowling would be highly valuable.

Greg Chappell remembers his own Test debut. “My first innings in Test cricket was, as you might expect, a trying experience, but proved to be one of the best cricket lessons of my career, thanks to Ian Redpath. I came to the wicket with Australia reeling at 107 for five to join Redders [Redpath], who had watched three quick wickets fall at the other end. The English left me largely untouched while zeroing in on Redders— just about the toughest batsman to dislodge. They figured if they got him the tail would capitulate. John Snow put all his energy into trapping Redders down at his end and bombarding him. They picked the wrong bloke. Snowy would follow through right in Redder’s face. After each bouncer that he evaded with his trademark Redpath sway, he’d look at Snowy and mouth ‘Get f@#%ed’.”

:lol:
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Nice little read on Redpath, thanks for sharing Moby.
 
Mani said:
Batsmen at 6 need to adjust to second new ball, he also one who need to pace his innings in short duration when it required.
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For me a good no. 6 should be able to handle a collapse first and foremost. Coming in at 500-4 and scoring a few isn't contributing much but being able to come at a low score and being able to save the innings (hence VVS Laxman being a GOAT no.6) is a much bigger factor.

That and the ability to stay at the crease in a situation where you have to see out the game and evidence of being able to play with tailenders. That quality should be there in one of your 5 or 6 ideally, so examples of Steve Waugh etc weigh highly in that area.

Those are the main qualities a no. 6 needs especially in fantasy game where most of the run scoring will be done by the specialists ahead of you. Unless you are someone special like Gilchrist who can turn a 40 run lead to a 200 run lead without breaking a sweat and turn the game around.
 
1. Prath92 1. I. Khan 2. A. Roberts 3. G. Chappell 4. D. Gower 5. V.V.S. Laxman 6. G. Kirsten 7. J. Dujon 8. G. McKenzie 9. H. Singh 10. J. Wright 11. P. Reiffel

2. Moby 1. S. Tendulkar 2. J. Garner 3. S. Waugh 4. A. Cook 5. C. Croft 6. Z. Abbas 7. P. Pollock 8. E. Prasanna 9. R. Marsh 10. C. Hooper 11. I. Redpath

3. Harshad 1. V. Richards 2. A. Kumble 3. D. Steyn 4. M. Ntini 5. M. Crowe 6. MD 7. M. Azharuddin 8. A. Strauss 9. H. Streak 10. M. Atherton

4. Raees 1. M. Muralitharan 2. A. Border 3. M. Hayden 4. S. Chanderpaul 5. S. Bond 6. M. Boucher 7. Y. Khan 8. J. Snow 9. G. Turner 10. D. Vengsarkar 11. S. Nawaz

5. MJJ 1. S. Warne 2. A.Flintoff 3. V. Kohli 4. B. Lee 5. M. Johnson 6. M.Yousuf 7. M. Jayawardene 8. R. Fredericks 9. M. Vaughan 10. M. Starc

6. 2mufc0 1. G. McGrath 2. A. Donald 3. J. Miandad 4. R. Ashwin 5. J. Langer 6. B. McCullum 7. D. Martyn 8. M. Trescothick 9. R. Richardson 10. Morne Morkel

7. The Cat 1. R. Hadlee 2. R. Dravid 3. S. Akhtar 4. J. Thomson 5. M. Prior 6. A. Qadir 7. D. Warner 8. S Katich 9. S. Ganguly 10. E. Barlow

8. RedTiger 1. AB De Villiers 2. A. Gilchrist 3. G. Pollock 4. D. Underwood 5. C. Vaas 6. T. Dilshan 7. C. Gayle 8. V. Philander 9. R. Taylor 10. M. Hughes

9. The Red Viper 1. J. Kallis 2. D. Lillee 3. K. Dev 4. D. Haynes 5. K. Pietersen 6. M. Taylor 7. J. Gillespie 8. D. Walters 9. M. Ahmed 10. S. Ajmal

10. Mani 1. W. Akram 2. C. Ambrose 3. G.Boycott 4. C. Lloyd 5. S.Mushtaq 6. I. Chappell 7.G.Thrope 8.Zaheer Khan 9.M.Slater 10. Q de Kock

11. Skills 1. M. Marshall 2. A. Flower 3. G Smith 4. I. Bishop 5. H Amla 6. G. Swann 7. M Waugh 8. D. Boon 9. Massif 10. Bairstow

12. Interval 1. B. Lara 2. S. Gavaskar 3. J. Anderson 4. I. Ul- Haq 5. M Hussey 6. S. Broad 7. Misbah Ul Haq 8. BS Chandrasekhar 9. S. Magill 10. T. Boult

13. Lord Sinister 1. R. Ponting 2. S. Jayasuriya 3. A. Knott 4. S. Anwar 5. C. McDermott 6. T. Alderman 7. G. Viswanath 8. A. Kallicharan 9. S. Al Hasan 10. A. Mallett

14. Crappy 1. I. Botham 2. M. Holding 3. G. Greenidge 4. B. Willis 5. M. Clarke 6. A. Stewart 7. C. Cairns 8. B. S. Bedi 9. D.Jones 10. A De Silva

15. Paulscholes18 -1. W. Younis 2. S. Pollock 3. S. Smith 4. J. Root 5 williamson 6. Y. Shah 7. T. Greig 8 H.Gibbs 9 R. Harris 10. M. Rahim

16. Skizzo - 1. C. Walsh 2. K. Sangakkara 3. V. Sehwag 4. G. Gooch 5. D. Vettori 6. D. Gough 7. D. Cullinan 8. H. Tillakaratne 9. R. Herath 10. D. Amiss

@MJJ
 
Moby said:
For me a good no. 6 should be able to handle a collapse first and foremost. Coming in at 500-4 and scoring a few isn't contributing much but being able to come at a low score and being able to save the innings (hence VVS Laxman being a GOAT no.6) is a much bigger factor.

That and the ability to stay at the crease in a situation where you have to see out the game and evidence of being able to play with tailenders. That quality should be there in one of your 5 or 6 ideally, so examples of Steve Waugh etc weigh highly in that area.

Those are the main qualities a no. 6 needs especially in fantasy game where most of the run scoring will be done by the specialists ahead of you. Unless you are someone special like Gilchrist who can turn a 40 run lead to a 200 run lead without breaking a sweat and turn the game around.
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Speaking about long innings and batsmen who put more importance to their wkts, M.Yousuf, Chanderpaul,Dravid,Langer,Thrope,Boycott,Gavaskar,A.Flower and few other(whom i might have missed on first instinct) they never going to give their wickets that easily.

Coming to no.6 one special innings I would always remember is Langer and Gilly vs Pakistan 1999.That was special against very good attack.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...ist-scripted-the-great-escape-at-hobart-19977
 
Mani said:
Speaking about long innings and batsmen who put more importance to their wkts, M.Yousuf, Chanderpaul,Dravid,Langer,Thrope,Boycott,Gavaskar,A.Flower and few other(whom i might have missed on first instinct) they never going to give their wickets that easily.

Coming to no.6 one special innings I would always remember is Langer and Gilly vs Pakistan 1999.That was special against very good attack.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...ist-scripted-the-great-escape-at-hobart-19977
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I remember that match. By the time Gilly came in to bat, I thought it was done and dusted and a matter of time before Pak win the game. How wrong I was. If I remember correctly, Gilly was playing only his 2nd or 3rd test
 
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1. Prath92 1. I. Khan 2. A. Roberts 3. G. Chappell 4. D. Gower 5. V.V.S. Laxman 6. G. Kirsten 7. J. Dujon 8. G. McKenzie 9. H. Singh 10. J. Wright 11. P. Reiffel

2. Moby 1. S. Tendulkar 2. J. Garner 3. S. Waugh 4. A. Cook 5. C. Croft 6. Z. Abbas 7. P. Pollock 8. E. Prasanna 9. R. Marsh 10. C. Hooper 11. I. Redpath

3. Harshad 1. V. Richards 2. A. Kumble 3. D. Steyn 4. M. Ntini 5. M. Crowe 6. MD 7. M. Azharuddin 8. A. Strauss 9. H. Streak 10. M. Atherton

4. Raees 1. M. Muralitharan 2. A. Border 3. M. Hayden 4. S. Chanderpaul 5. S. Bond 6. M. Boucher 7. Y. Khan 8. J. Snow 9. G. Turner 10. D. Vengsarkar 11. S. Nawaz

5. MJJ 1. S. Warne 2. A.Flintoff 3. V. Kohli 4. B. Lee 5. M. Johnson 6. M.Yousuf 7. M. Jayawardene 8. R. Fredericks 9. M. Vaughan 10. M. Starc 11. S. Finn

6. 2mufc0 1. G. McGrath 2. A. Donald 3. J. Miandad 4. R. Ashwin 5. J. Langer 6. B. McCullum 7. D. Martyn 8. M. Trescothick 9. R. Richardson 10. Morne Morkel 11. S. Watson

7. The Cat 1. R. Hadlee 2. R. Dravid 3. S. Akhtar 4. J. Thomson 5. M. Prior 6. A. Qadir 7. D. Warner 8. S Katich 9. S. Ganguly 10. E. Barlow

8. RedTiger 1. AB De Villiers 2. A. Gilchrist 3. G. Pollock 4. D. Underwood 5. C. Vaas 6. T. Dilshan 7. C. Gayle 8. V. Philander 9. R. Taylor 10. M. Hughes

9. The Red Viper 1. J. Kallis 2. D. Lillee 3. K. Dev 4. D. Haynes 5. K. Pietersen 6. M. Taylor 7. J. Gillespie 8. D. Walters 9. M. Ahmed 10. S. Ajmal

10. Mani 1. W. Akram 2. C. Ambrose 3. G.Boycott 4. C. Lloyd 5. S.Mushtaq 6. I. Chappell 7.G.Thrope 8.Zaheer Khan 9.M.Slater 10. Q de Kock

11. Skills 1. M. Marshall 2. A. Flower 3. G Smith 4. I. Bishop 5. H Amla 6. G. Swann 7. M Waugh 8. D. Boon 9. Massif 10. Bairstow

12. Interval 1. B. Lara 2. S. Gavaskar 3. J. Anderson 4. I. Ul- Haq 5. M Hussey 6. S. Broad 7. Misbah Ul Haq 8. BS Chandrasekhar 9. S. Magill 10. T. Boult

13. Lord Sinister 1. R. Ponting 2. S. Jayasuriya 3. A. Knott 4. S. Anwar 5. C. McDermott 6. T. Alderman 7. G. Viswanath 8. A. Kallicharan 9. S. Al Hasan 10. A. Mallett

14. Crappy 1. I. Botham 2. M. Holding 3. G. Greenidge 4. B. Willis 5. M. Clarke 6. A. Stewart 7. C. Cairns 8. B. S. Bedi 9. D.Jones 10. A De Silva

15. Paulscholes18 -1. W. Younis 2. S. Pollock 3. S. Smith 4. J. Root 5 williamson 6. Y. Shah 7. T. Greig 8 H.Gibbs 9 R. Harris 10. M. Rahim

16. Skizzo - 1. C. Walsh 2. K. Sangakkara 3. V. Sehwag 4. G. Gooch 5. D. Vettori 6. D. Gough 7. D. Cullinan 8. H. Tillakaratne 9. R. Herath 10. D. Amiss

@The Cat
 
1. Prath92 1. I. Khan 2. A. Roberts 3. G. Chappell 4. D. Gower 5. V.V.S. Laxman 6. G. Kirsten 7. J. Dujon 8. G. McKenzie 9. H. Singh 10. J. Wright 11. P. Reiffel

2. Moby 1. S. Tendulkar 2. J. Garner 3. S. Waugh 4. A. Cook 5. C. Croft 6. Z. Abbas 7. P. Pollock 8. E. Prasanna 9. R. Marsh 10. C. Hooper 11. I. Redpath

3. Harshad 1. V. Richards 2. A. Kumble 3. D. Steyn 4. M. Ntini 5. M. Crowe 6. MD 7. M. Azharuddin 8. A. Strauss 9. H. Streak 10. M. Atherton

4. Raees 1. M. Muralitharan 2. A. Border 3. M. Hayden 4. S. Chanderpaul 5. S. Bond 6. M. Boucher 7. Y. Khan 8. J. Snow 9. G. Turner 10. D. Vengsarkar 11. S. Nawaz

5. MJJ 1. S. Warne 2. A.Flintoff 3. V. Kohli 4. B. Lee 5. M. Johnson 6. M.Yousuf 7. M. Jayawardene 8. R. Fredericks 9. M. Vaughan 10. M. Starc 11. S. Finn

6. 2mufc0 1. G. McGrath 2. A. Donald 3. J. Miandad 4. R. Ashwin 5. J. Langer 6. B. McCullum 7. D. Martyn 8. M. Trescothick 9. R. Richardson 10. Morne Morkel 11. S. Watson

7. The Cat 1. R. Hadlee 2. R. Dravid 3. S. Akhtar 4. J. Thomson 5. M. Prior 6. A. Qadir 7. D. Warner 8. S Katich 9. S. Ganguly 10. E. Barlow 11. I. Bell

8. RedTiger 1. AB De Villiers 2. A. Gilchrist 3. G. Pollock 4. D. Underwood 5. C. Vaas 6. T. Dilshan 7. C. Gayle 8. V. Philander 9. R. Taylor 10. M. Hughes

9. The Red Viper 1. J. Kallis 2. D. Lillee 3. K. Dev 4. D. Haynes 5. K. Pietersen 6. M. Taylor 7. J. Gillespie 8. D. Walters 9. M. Ahmed 10. S. Ajmal

10. Mani 1. W. Akram 2. C. Ambrose 3. G.Boycott 4. C. Lloyd 5. S.Mushtaq 6. I. Chappell 7.G.Thrope 8.Zaheer Khan 9.M.Slater 10. Q de Kock

11. Skills 1. M. Marshall 2. A. Flower 3. G Smith 4. I. Bishop 5. H Amla 6. G. Swann 7. M Waugh 8. D. Boon 9. Massif 10. Bairstow

12. Interval 1. B. Lara 2. S. Gavaskar 3. J. Anderson 4. I. Ul- Haq 5. M Hussey 6. S. Broad 7. Misbah Ul Haq 8. BS Chandrasekhar 9. S. Magill 10. T. Boult

13. Lord Sinister 1. R. Ponting 2. S. Jayasuriya 3. A. Knott 4. S. Anwar 5. C. McDermott 6. T. Alderman 7. G. Viswanath 8. A. Kallicharan 9. S. Al Hasan 10. A. Mallett

14. Crappy 1. I. Botham 2. M. Holding 3. G. Greenidge 4. B. Willis 5. M. Clarke 6. A. Stewart 7. C. Cairns 8. B. S. Bedi 9. D.Jones 10. A De Silva

15. Paulscholes18 -1. W. Younis 2. S. Pollock 3. S. Smith 4. J. Root 5 williamson 6. Y. Shah 7. T. Greig 8 H.Gibbs 9 R. Harris 10. M. Rahim

16. Skizzo - 1. C. Walsh 2. K. Sangakkara 3. V. Sehwag 4. G. Gooch 5. D. Vettori 6. D. Gough 7. D. Cullinan 8. H. Tillakaratne 9. R. Herath 10. D. Amiss

@RedTiger
 
1. Langer
2. Trescothick
3. Richardson
4. Miandad
5. Martyn
6. Watson
7. McCullum
8. Ashwin
9. Morkel
10. Donald
11. McGrath
 
D Warner
S Katich
R Dravid
S Ganguly
E Barlow
I Bell
M Prior
R Hadlee
A Qadir
J Thomson
S Akhtar
 
Was your fault lads all that debating about No6 and I decided I could do with a reinforcement there :)
 
harshad said:
I remember that match. By the time Gilly came in to bat, I thought it was done and dusted and a matter of time before Pak win the game. How wrong I was. If I remember correctly, Gilly was playing only his 2nd or 3rd test
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Everyone had same options when we watched it.
 
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