All Time Premier League Fantasy Draft: R1 - Cutch vs Berbasloth4
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Fair enough if giggs and mcmanaman get joy wide what happens the cross it.. are hasselbaink and gudjohnsen going to get better of stam and king??
Duff can play in 442 IMO.. Nasri is the problem.. he could be a liability on right against Giggs and Clichy.
yes he can pass the ball, great and complete player but when he is your most creative player in the middle you know you have problems....im not imo, like i said, Nasri was very good at arsenal but i always saw him as "support" playmaker and not someone who can be the main guy.
Thats why there is an extra man in midfield?? To help support the full backs..
Yep, another team that at different points drafted for either a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 and ends neither here nor there.
When fabregas left arsenal nasri stepped up and was one of the best players in the league its why fergie wanted him too
nah, it was Van Persie who stepped up and lead the team, Nasri was pretty much the same as the season before....playing good football but unable to dictate the game on his own.
Agree. That said, there's clearly an argument for Poyet staying on the pitch and one of Vieira/Matic leaving it but you are not even considering it, so I suspect you are significantly underrating Poyet..
He did pick his performances up. He scored 15 goals that season when previously only scoring single figures..
Theres a bit on matic last season. Breaking up attacks and setting up new ones. A ball for van nistelrooy or in behind to one of nasri or duff.. another route to goal
I really like Cutch's team in an attacking sense. I can see those wingers getting real joy against Kelly and Enrique and with Hasselbaink in the middle, they'll be really dangerous. With Essien and Gudjohnsen they have more strings to their bow as well and will be a very difficult side to defend against.
I don't think Berba's team is as strong offensively. Duff, Poyet and obviously Van Nistelrooy will be very dangerous and Viera and Nasri are both good footballers too. There isn't much in it but I just think Cutch's team has a slightly more rounded attack.
The critical difference between the two sides though, are the two sets of centre backs. This disparity is much larger than that between the sets of forwards and this will be the winning of the game for Berba I feel.
I just think Walker and Vermaelen is too weak against a side containing Poyet and Van Nistelrooy. Especially one which is as strong defensively as Berba's.
I don't think Berba's team is as strong offensively. Duff, Poyet and obviously Van Nistelrooy will be very dangerous and Viera and Nasri are both good footballers too. There isn't much in it but I just think Cutch's team has a slightly more rounded attack.
The critical difference between the two sides though, are the two sets of centre backs. This disparity is much larger than that between the sets of forwards and this will be the winning of the game for Berba I feel.
I just think Walker and Vermaelen is too weak against a side containing Poyet and Van Nistelrooy. Especially one which is as strong defensively as Berba's.
Central defence of Berba's is exceptional. Giggs will have joy against Kelly, but with Stam there, it would not be a total domination. Not convinced by Cutch's CB pair and against Ruud, it is quite shaky. Berba's midfield is better, certainly not perfect, but will be the better in this match. Voted berba.
I think vieira would run riot in that midfield.. he is far too good and strong for essien and barry.. if players are talked about in their peak in the invincible year vieira was a revelation nobody could get near him.
I'm fan of proven partnerships,cutch's front men are fantastic supported by brilliant Giggs and Mcmananam.
But versus stam and king??
I'm not sure it's a critical difference all things considered, but it's a very fair point to make. The discrepancy is rather dramatic if you compare the two pairs.
That said, comparing the two pairs isn't the way to look at this. Their tasks are different, both collectively and individually.
Also suspect that some don't treat Vermaelen (and Clichy, for that matter) in light of what has been the “peak” standard thus far. Cutch is not fielding the current version of either player.
Vermaelens peak is kinda weird because he was scoring goals yet conceding.. walker in premiership years was past his best too.. clichy even now is a good left back.. but he has lapses in concentration and someone like nasri is to clever and will exploit that.
All the match-ups are quite close this time.
The midfield battle is key here if I am winning the midfield battle and barry/essien arent getting a chance to put passes together how are the wingers getting in to the game.
It doesn't work like that.
It helps alot though
The problem here is proven pair with wide players stretching the field,Stam and King are individually good players,but how good they can complement each other,also can you confirm who would be your ball playing CB out of two.
They are both complete centre defenders. Each of them are ball playing defender but also strong in tackle. They dont come with these labels.. too limit one of them would be a major error..
Berba may well have slightly more possession than Cutch but Berba is hardly setup for a possession game, its more 451 than 433. That said Macca will drift in as well, he's not Valenca
Walker and Vermaelen is hardly a great pairing especially a gainst a RVN however I can see Cutch's defence and midfield 4 defending well as a team which will reduce the amount of chances created- if Nasri is your main creative player you have problems.
Stam and King are excellent but I can see Enrique and Kelly being turned inside out and balls coming from behind you will cause problems. With Gudjohnsen and Hasselbaink with that service they will score.
Cutch to win 2-1
Walker and Vermaelen is hardly a great pairing especially a gainst a RVN however I can see Cutch's defence and midfield 4 defending well as a team which will reduce the amount of chances created- if Nasri is your main creative player you have problems.
Stam and King are excellent but I can see Enrique and Kelly being turned inside out and balls coming from behind you will cause problems. With Gudjohnsen and Hasselbaink with that service they will score.
Cutch to win 2-1
With such a clear route to goal through Giggs and McManaman I can't see why Gudjohnsen is needed over another midfielder. Especially as the centre back pairing could use a defensive midfielder against RVN who looks like he will do very well against them.
Both teams would score and create chances with that in mind but it looks a lot tougher for Giggs/McManaman considering they are up against a top centre back pairing as well as Matic and Vieira in the central areas who can pick up a player inside the box.
Both teams are very good and constructed very well, especially Cutch's considering how hard a 4-4-2 is to create in these drafts. I just think that Berba would have that slight tactical edge where Matic influence over the game exceeds Gudjohnsens.
Both teams would score and create chances with that in mind but it looks a lot tougher for Giggs/McManaman considering they are up against a top centre back pairing as well as Matic and Vieira in the central areas who can pick up a player inside the box.
Both teams are very good and constructed very well, especially Cutch's considering how hard a 4-4-2 is to create in these drafts. I just think that Berba would have that slight tactical edge where Matic influence over the game exceeds Gudjohnsens.
Ruud on his own upfront isn't particularly frightening. If he had a Rooney/Sheringham type in support then maybe but i see him being frustrated for long periods with so little creativity in his side.
I'm playing to my players strengths so its 4-4-2 all the way, the system all of them excelled in. If its as simple as having an extra man in midfield so that 4-3-3 always wins against 4-4-2 then i'm beat but i don't think thats the case here. If i was playing Giggs and McManaman as wing forwards and Hasselbaink as a lone striker i'd be criticised quite rightly for that instead. Giggs and McManaman are 4-4-2 widemen that work their ass off and Gudjohnsen and Hasselbaink are a complentary strike pairing, its as simple as that.
It's a bit harsh to say Berba's only creative player is Nasri, Duff ain't too bad and Poyet was more creative than Essien or Barry (his career progression was #9, #10, #8, not DM or LB to CM).
But overall I agree, every time I revisit this there's only one thing I can see:
It's a bit harsh to say Berba's only creative player is Nasri, Duff ain't too bad and Poyet was more creative than Essien or Barry (his career progression was #9, #10, #8, not DM or LB to CM).
But overall I agree, every time I revisit this there's only one thing I can see:
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Approaching half time in this one. Will be interesting to see if either side make any changes to try and break the deadlock!
That goal of Macca's from Bobby Carlos's cross. I've never seen it before.I am going to make a change.
Sheringham on for matic
Im going to go alot more attacking. I am still winning that midfield battle but I now have the incredible brain and goal scoring of teddy sheringham..
Vieira is going to be the more conservative midfielder looking to help the wingers etc.
Also us united fans have fond memories of teddy coming of the bench
@Skizzo can you make the change
Sheringham on for matic
Im going to go alot more attacking. I am still winning that midfield battle but I now have the incredible brain and goal scoring of teddy sheringham..
Vieira is going to be the more conservative midfielder looking to help the wingers etc.
Also us united fans have fond memories of teddy coming of the bench
@Skizzo can you make the change
It was close. You should have stuck with old formation imo!
@berbasloth4 done.
I am going to make a change.
Sheringham on for matic
Im going to go alot more attacking. I am still winning that midfield battle but I now have the incredible brain and goal scoring of teddy sheringham..
Vieira is going to be the more conservative midfielder looking to help the wingers etc.
Also us united fans have fond memories of teddy coming of the bench
@Skizzo can you make the change
I highly doubt that you're winning any midfield battle when you still insist on Vieira being here there and everywhere, somehow bossing midfield and helping stop Giggs and McManaman at the same time. That's a real waste of your best midfielders talents, basically asking him to be a Gennaro Gattuso type.
There's no doubt I have the more balanced, hard working and cohesive midfield right now.
The Matic-Vieira pairing would have worked much better for you than Poyet-Vieira would. Vieiras premership years were synonymous with being paired with Emmanuel Petit. Matic could easily made something similar work, while Poyet won't offer the same security. On the other hand Barry in my team allows Michael Essien the platform to make a box to box impact.
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Nah you're overplaying his impact, plus it was the left of midfield he played on and not the right, so thats another player not in ideal surroundings.
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