All Time ODI Cricket Draft SF 2: NM vs Crappy

Who will win the ODI?


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Welcome to the second Semi Final match of the ODI cricket draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

NM has won the toss and has put in Crappy's team to bat first.

The XIs:

@NM: 1. Gary Kirsten 2. Mathew Hayden 3. Virat Kohli 4. Allan Lamb 5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 6. MS Dhoni (C/WK) 7. Andrew Flintoff 8. Wasim Akram 9. Nathan Bracken 10. Andy Roberts 11. Muttiah Muralitharan


@crappycraperson : 1. Greame Smith 2. Saeed Anwar 3. Sir Viv Richards 4. Jacques Kallis 5. Clive Llyod (C) 6. Brendon Taylor (WK) 7. Chris Cairns 8. Kapil Dev 9. Shane Warne 10. Lasith Malinga 11. Shoaib Akhtar

Match Conditions:
Green pitch. Little dust. Well-rounded and bouncy offering seam movement for the quick bowlers. Windy conditions aid swing bowling.
 
Team NM/Prath

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Pitch conditions

The pitch conditions are similar to those in NZ and England. However English pitches change with seasons, with the pitch green and swinging in March April and as summer approaches, the pitches tend to be flatter and similar to subcontinent pitches.

Bowling superiority

We have 3 swing bowlers, 2 of whom can reverse. One of whom was the best ever at it. He was bamboozling batsmen for fun with his swings. Flintoff was England's only bowler when he played who could reverse (other being Simon Jones who wasnt talented enough for this format). Bracken was also one of the only true swing bowlers in the Aussie cricket team which enabled him to play well and become a mainstay in the team. He has played few games in the English pitches and NZ pitches but he is an excellent swing bowler especially with the new ball. He was also deadly with his accuracy and line. Andy Roberts was one of the best bowlers of his generation. Tall and fast, he could generate amazing pace and keep it tight, bowl those yorkers at great speed and accuracy. Murali is probably the best spinner ever, who is adept at keeping it tight, having an economy of under 4 even though he retired in 2011 (well into the t20 era). Few could score against him. In case of any spells in which one of our bowlers end up conceding a bit more than expected would see us mixing it up with the others. All our bowlers were difficult to score against with teir career economy well under 4.5 runs per over which is a very good economy in ODIs. We would give the ball to a new bowler and they would contain the runs. All these bowlers have almost always come back strongly when they had a rare bad spell in any case. While Richards is definitely a batting GOAT, Roberts, Murali and Akram are bowling GOATs and are well up for the challenge as well. Bracken and Flintoff are themselves used to bowling in the beginning and death but here their job would be to complement the initial two in aaccuracy, swing line and length and murali and there arent better players you can ask for doing this. The opposition batting is good with Smith Anwar opening and Richards and Lloyd in the middle order but I think our bowlers are well capable of containing them to a good extent, and are more economical than the opposition bowlers anyways so it would see us not concede too many runs. Especially on pitches which suit our bowlers to a T.

In comparison, both Akhtar and malinga were highly erratic even at their best and conceded runs against able batsmen. Not the best bowlers you want to open with especially in a chase against these batsmen. Kapil Dev and Shane warne are excellent bowlers of course but our batsmen are excellent players of spin as well and will give due respect to warne. Kapil is an excellent in swing bowler but is not someone who can reverse so will not be as dangerous once the ball becomes older. Neither Kallis nor cairns are swingers either and our batsmen deal with seam pace and bounce adeptly.

Batsmen adept at chasing

We have players who become superhumans in a chase. They all have good records in at least one of New Zealand or England with similar pitches so they can play well in these conditions.Hayden averages 50 in chases and needless to say, Kohli and Dhoni are one of the best at it. Allan Lamb himself is a top chaser with having masterminded chases against Aus and WI often, two of the best teams then (once hitting 16 off the last over to win- him and MS would be a good combo to chase together :p). Add to this solid batsmen like Kirsten and Chanderpaul who sensibly bat depending on the situation, any chase would possibly be well achieved. Flintoff at 7 would go for big hits and support the set batsman at the other end. Wasim is there in case a cool level headed batter is required to finish off the chase but frankly we may not need him at all.
ost always goes for runs initially and is a bowler who concedes runs and against Hayden may not be a good idea. Akhtar too while could maybe generate pace like Roberts does not really have a lot of accuracy like Roberts does. Kapil is a good bowler and so is warne but we have great players of spin in our team and they wouldnt attack Warne any more than they need to. Others like Cairns and Kallis again werent swingers of the ball. in fact, none of the bowlers other than Kapil and to a little extent Malinga were really swingers and none of them could reverse as well. So there would be little to no swing after the 20th over or so when the ball becomes old. Which can again help our batsman. Warne was a slightly more expensive spinner than Murali though (only in his comparison). Especially with the batsmen that we have who were great players of spin bowling, he would not be impossible to handle. They would be helped by the seam but our batsmen are adept at facing fast bowlers as well.
 
Team Crappy


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Batting - Quality combined with depth

Anwar, G. Smith, Viv Richards, Kallis, Llyod

Just read that again. There is no other team in the draft with a top 5 to match that quality. Each is capable of playing a big innings.
  • Sir Viv Richards - Best ODI player of all time, bonafide match winner.
  • Anwar remains one of the best ODI openers of all time with 20 centuries to his name. Along with Smith, he forms a dangerous opening pair. Both are capable of scoring at a quick pace to boot.
  • Kallis and Llyod make up the middle order. Kallis is one of the best cricketing all rounders in any format and one of the best batsmen in any kind of format. Clive Llyod known for the first ever WC final century, trotting out at 50-3 in WC final, he made 102 off 86 balls.
Lower order is supplemented by 2 of the best ODI all rounders in Chris Cairns and Kapil Dev.
  • Both have played match winnings innings for their country in this format, most notably Dev's 175 in 83 WC and Cairns with a tournament winning innings in 2003 champions trophy final.
  • Taylor proved his mettle in the last cricket WC with big knocks against likes of India, Pakistan and SA. His numbers are not just against weak teams, as designated keeper against the big nations (Ind, SA, WI, SRL, Oz, Eng, Pak, NZ) he averages a respectable 31.90.
  • Warne is no mug with bat himself, even appeared as pinch-hitter for the Oz team at odd times.

Bowling - Match winners and variety

Pace options - Akhtar, Kapil Dev, Malinga, Kallis, Cairns
Spin options - Warne, Richards

Bowling is led by the best spinner of all time in Warne, the most feared paceman of modern era in Akhtar and one of the best ODI bowler of current era in Malinga. Kapil dev, India's best fast bowler ever, adds further firepower to the attack.
  • Warne is the ultimate big game bowler in ODIs. He practically won the 96 WC semi against Windies on his own and brought Oz back into contention against SA in 99 WC semi as well.
  • Akhtar is one of only five bowlers in the history of ODI cricket to take more than 150 wickets at an average of less than 25 and a strike rate of below 32 balls per wicket. He has produced plenty of devastating spells for Pakistan as well over his career. Simply unplayable at his peak.
  • Malinga is perhaps the best bowler in limited overs format over the last 6-7 years. Most of the time, he has had to bowl on flat batting pitches and suffered for it on some occasion. But he also shown himself to be the bowler best equipped to shine in such conditions with uncanny ability bowl countless yorkers and other variations.
  • Kapil Dev's at his very peak was one of the best bowler of his generation. During the period between May 1983 and March 1986, when India won the World Cup and the World Championship of Cricket, he averaged 31.25 with the bat and 20.39 with the ball, taking 69 wickets in 47 games. He was also known for being a miser in terms of runs. Of the 212 games in which he bowled at least five overs, 63 times he conceded fewer than three runs per over, which is 30% of those matches. Similarly, in another 32% his economy rate was between three and four. Only 34 times did he go at five or more per over.
  • Rest of the bowling options include - Kallis and Cairns - both capable of bowling out and producing match winning spells. Viv Richards as a spin option

Game plan as per local conditions
  • Having been put into bat, the team has the perfect batting order to withstand opposition's pace attack. On a pitch that could favor pace and swing bowling, having likes of Kallis, Viv and Llyod in the middle order is invaluable. The strategy would be to get off to a solid start with more focus on not losing too many wickets rather than slogging. The goal would be to have 6-7 wickets in hand for last 15 overs. At that point set batsmen or incoming ones will like Cairns and Dev, can throw caution to the wind and try to pile up runs.
  • The opposition is a bit restricted by the fact that they don't have a viable bowling option after the main 5. If any of their main bowlers suffer, they can't really hide his overs. They will claim that it does not matter but I personally completely disagree with it. It is invaluable to have multiple bowling bowlers in limited overs cricket. My team has 7 bowling options, out of which only one will qualify as a part timer.
  • Whilst defending the total, the key would be to get an early wicket to expose someone like Kohli early. I won't say that Kohli is only a flat track bully but being exposed to attack of Akhtar, Malinga, Kapil Dev, Kallis, Cairns.. early on, in conditions that favor pace bowling would be a real challenge to him.
  • Malinga's bowling stats perk up when he is bowling second (better average and Eco. rate). I know opposition will play up Kohli mauling him on odd occasions but Malinga remains the best current era bowler to bowl at death overs or pressure situations.
  • Warne is always a factor on any ground. His record for example on following grounds not known for supporting spin too much -
    • MCG - 28 matches 46 wickets
    • WACA, Perth - 7 matches, 11 wickets
    • Durban - 4 matches, 5 wickets
  • VIV RICHARDS!!! Not a better match winner in this format.
  • I don't like direct comparison of teams but I match up well against the opposition
    • Opening batsmen - Hayden is the best but Smith/Anwar are better ODI batsmen than Kirsten
    • Huge gulf of class between Viv Richards and Kohli.
    • Kallis + Llyod different class to Chanderpaul and Lamb
    • Taylor, Cairns, Dev / Dhoni, Flintoff, Akram. Dhoni is the best finisher there but I have the better batting depth. Cairns and Dev too have played clutch innings in ODIs.
    • Warne vs Murali seems even but I would back my middle order to navigate Murali better than likes of Chanderpaul and Lamb against Warne.
    • Akram, Roberts, Bracken, Flintoff / Akhtar, Malinga, Kapil Dev, Kallis, Cairns - Again Akram is best of the lot but other than that I prefer my bowling line up. Dev turned out to be a better ODI bowler than Roberts and Malinga is superior attacking version of Bracken.
    • Overall I have the better batting and bowling depth with equal quality to match him in key areas.
 
@Rado_N, can you create this poll please;

Title: Who will win the ODI?
  • NM
  • Crappy
Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thank You in Advance.
 
Going with crappy,too early but i think his bowling combo is good enough to pull this, especially with Warne in side can surprise any top batsmen on his day.
 
Going with crappy,too early but i think his bowling combo is good enough to pull this, especially with Warne in side can surprise any top batsmen on his day.

None of his bowlers are swing bowlers except malinga and Kapil. Only malinga has a hint of reverse as well. But both Akhtar and malinga were erratic even in their prime.

Not sure why they are even. Murali has more wickets better economy and average than warne.
 
None of his bowlers are swing bowlers except malinga and Kapil. Only malinga has a hint of reverse as well. But both Akhtar and malinga were erratic even in their prime.

Not sure why they are even. Murali has more wickets better economy and average than warne.

I like both the bowlers and if i have option to choose one between these two, i will go with Warne for his ability to set batsmen and get his Wkts in next few.
Have you not seen Kallis or Cairns swing the ball?
 
None of his bowlers are swing bowlers except malinga and Kapil. Only malinga has a hint of reverse as well. But both Akhtar and malinga were erratic even in their prime.

Not sure why they are even. Murali has more wickets better economy and average than warne.

Can you highlight any of Murali's performances in big matches that match up to Warne's in 2 WC semi finals?

I am genuinely asking since I am not aware.

Also none of my bowlers are swing bowlers except 2? Both Flintoff and Kallis are also similar type of bowlers. Also I am surprised at this assertion that Akhtar can't swing it. His main asset may be express pace but he is not a stump to stump bowler.
 
Personally I think Lamb + Chanderpaul is the major weak point in opposition's team. They are trying to work around it by quoting stats but in a big semi final. you don't want those 2 coming at any crucial juncture, that too in a high pressure chase. Warne made his living by choking such batsmen into submission on big occasions. Opposition is too reliant on one of Kohli or Hayden to anchor the whole chase IMO.

For my line up, even IF I end up in a worst case scenario of losing 2/3 wickets early that include Viv Richards. Kallis and Lllyod are as solid pair as they come to take on his attack and built the innings, before Dev/Cairns can come in and do damage in last 10/15.

On the flip side, if opposition loses their top order early, Lamb/Chanders are liable to sink the whole ship early and leave Dhoni/Flintoff too much to do.
 
NM for me. Better bowling attack for me with Akram and Murali who would be in mine all time greatest ODI team. And they are bowling first here. His 6-7 shit on crappys and they'll chase the total down.
 
I like both the bowlers and if i have option to choose one between these two, i will go with Warne for his ability to set batsmen and get his Wkts in next few.
Have you not seen Kallis or Cairns swing the ball?
Murali for me is the greatest ODI spinner of all time. And thats an easier call to make than choosing one of those when it comes to tests.
 
Personally I think Lamb + Chanderpaul is the major weak point in opposition's team. They are trying to work around it by quoting stats but in a big semi final. you don't want those 2 coming at any crucial juncture, that too in a high pressure chase. Warne made his living by choking such batsmen into submission on big occasions. Opposition is too reliant on one of Kohli or Hayden to anchor the whole chase IMO.

For my line up, even IF I end up in a worst case scenario of losing 2/3 wickets early that include Viv Richards. Kallis and Lllyod are as solid pair as they come to take on his attack and built the innings, before Dev/Cairns can come in and do damage in last 10/15.

On the flip side, if opposition loses their top order early, Lamb/Chanders are liable to sink the whole ship early and leave Dhoni/Flintoff too much to do.

Not sure if you have seen Chanderpaul play? The guy has made a living out of helping WI get back on track. The difference is that there he had none to help him after Lara retired. The guy is probably the best player you want in your team if you want your team to rebuild. Kallis and Lloyd are nothing compared to him in this regard. Allan Lamb was key in England reaching 2 WC finals. The first of which he almost pulled off the chase vs Australia and could have won had he got better support from the rest of batsmen. Which he will get here. He was the 8th batsman to be dismissed and they lost by 7 runs. He is underrated and it's laughable that someone like Kallis is rated more than him.

Murali is someone who no one can score against even though he played till 2011. He has the most ODI wickets and an economy of less than 4. Laughable to suggest that he won't be as effective as warne who retired in 2003 and still has 4-25 economy.
 
Not sure if you have seen Chanderpaul play? The guy has made a living out of helping WI get back on track. The difference is that there he had none to help him after Lara retired. The guy is probably the best player you want in your team if you want your team to rebuild. Kallis and Lloyd are nothing compared to him in this regard. Allan Lamb was key in England reaching 2 WC finals. The first of which he almost pulled off the chase vs Australia and could have won had he got better support from the rest of batsmen. Which he will get here. He was the 8th batsman to be dismissed and they lost by 7 runs. He is underrated and it's laughable that someone like Kallis is rated more than him.

Murali is someone who no one can score against even though he played till 2011. He has the most ODI wickets and an economy of less than 4. Laughable to suggest that he won't be as effective as warne who retired in 2003 and still has 4-25 economy.

Kallis and Llyod are better batsmen in every way, compared to Chanderpaul.
 
I like both the bowlers and if i have option to choose one between these two, i will go with Warne for his ability to set batsmen and get his Wkts in next few.
Have you not seen Kallis or Cairns swing the ball?

Kallis and Cairns could get a little movement through the pitch early on yes. Not because they were swing bowlers but due to conditions. Here mostly they would come after the 12th over and will not be able to generate the same swing as the ball gets older. Neither can Kapil.

Flintoff was a natural swing bowler and one of England's only one who could reverse well. Kallis isn't someone who can do that. Kallis is at best a decent ODI bowler and their stats show the gulf in their class. Flintoff was a genuine death bowler. Same for bracken except that he couldn't reverse but he made up for it by his accuracy.

Akhtar couldn't swing it much. At best he had a slower swinging Yorker. Which even Roberts has except Roberts is less erratic than Akhtar.

As for Murali I don't know what to say if you think Someone who has 534 wickets in ODIs isn't good enough to get wickets at right time. Especially if his economy is well below 4. It's a clear indication that batsmen couldn't handle him.
 
Can you highlight any of Murali's performances in big matches that match up to Warne's in 2 WC semi finals?

I am genuinely asking since I am not aware..

Anything?

Here is Warne in 96 semi -

His performance in 99 semi is lauded by many as one of the best of all time -

Shane Warne
4 for 29 v South Africa, semi-final, 1999

Generations of grandkids will know of the greatest one-day match of all, and of the man who scripted it. It's the stuff of folklore: the bizarre last over, with the two boundaries hammered by Lance Klusener, the inexplicable mix-up with Allan Donald, the scores tied. But without a doubt, every soul who was at Birmingham that lovely day will say it was a pudgy blond's day.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wctimeline/content/current/story/281792.html

Warne, five months after returning from shoulder injury and having been dropped for one match from the Test side earlier that year, said he had been contemplating retirement.

But on that day, he immediately made an impact. In the second ball of his second over, he bowled a bewildered Gibbs off a beauty that spun across the stumps. Then, in the first ball of his next over, he bowled Gary Kirsten, before having Hansie Cronje caught in the slips two deliveries later with another ball that turned almost at right-angles.

Warne’s figures at the end of that over were 3-2-3-3. It wasn’t just about the wickets he took, but the belief he injected into the Australians. After six overs, Warne had gone for five runs and bowled four maidens, drastically slowing the scoring. The pressure was on the South Africans.

He returned later to take the wicket of the dangerous Jacques Kallis in his second-last ball. Warne finished with 4 for 29, 15 of those runs came off his last over.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-.../warne-turns-the-semi-final-on-its-head-in-99
 
Not voting or commenting on this thread as a matter of principle but here's hoping for a bitchfest between NM/Prath and Crappy. Let the lying and manipulation began!
 
Kallis and Llyod are better batsmen in every way, compared to Chanderpaul.

Hardly. Kallis didn't have to carry his team like Chanderpaul did multiple times. Your comparison was in a situation where we would need to rebuild in which situation Chanderpaul is 100 times the batsman Kallis ever was. Even lamb is a much much better batsman than Kallis. Especially in chases, often against top teams of the time Lamb was the key wicket opposition teams wanted. Kallis is overrated. He is a good batsman but nothing special.
 
Not voting or commenting on this thread as a matter of principle but here's hoping for a bitchfest between NM/Prath and Crappy. Let the lying and manipulation began!

Here you go..

Hardly. Kallis didn't have to carry his team like Chanderpaul did multiple times. Your comparison was in a situation where we would need to rebuild in which situation Chanderpaul is 100 times the batsman Kallis ever was. Even lamb is a much much better batsman than Kallis. Especially in chases, often against top teams of the time Lamb was the key wicket opposition teams wanted. Kallis is overrated. He is a good batsman but nothing special.

100 times better ... :lol: Pathetic.
 
Murali for me is the greatest ODI spinner of all time. And thats an easier call to make than choosing one of those when it comes to tests.
Not much difference you can see out of these two but as i said, seen more of Warne's ability to set batsmen compared to Murali.
Murali is economical,he puts those breaks on the RR to batsmen try something adventurous to loose his wkt.But again Warne got better variety compared to Murali.
 
There isn't any situation in any format of the game where Chanderpaul is better with the bat than Kallis, let alone 100 times.
 
There is no situation, no ground, no format, no time of the day, no season, no continent, no sport, no religion, no sex, no caste where chanderpaul is even equal to Lloyd or Kallis, let alone better or 100 times better.
 
Other big game performances -

Kapil Dev 3/23 in WCC final in 85, Lack of swing bowler did you say -

Cairns' 102 in 2001 Champions trophy final against India -

Shoaib Akhtar 99 semi final against NZ -
 
There is no situation, no ground, no format, no time of the day, no season, no continent, no sport, no religion, no sex, no caste where chanderpaul is even equal to Lloyd or Kallis, let alone better or 100 times better.

I am gonna leave it to him. He has the gall to call Kallis overrated player.. christ if anything this draft has proven he is underrated. People only prefer sloggers it seems. If it was batting paradise pitch, it would be one thing but on a bowler friendly pitch, you absolutely want Kallis in your team. I would have him second only to Viv in such conditions. People underestimate the importance of anchoring an innings in ODIs in such conditions.
 
Kallis and Cairns could get a little movement through the pitch early on yes. Not because they were swing bowlers but due to conditions. Here mostly they would come after the 12th over and will not be able to generate the same swing as the ball gets older. Neither can Kapil.

Flintoff was a natural swing bowler and one of England's only one who could reverse well. Kallis isn't someone who can do that. Kallis is at best a decent ODI bowler and their stats show the gulf in their class. Flintoff was a genuine death bowler. Same for bracken except that he couldn't reverse but he made up for it by his accuracy.

Akhtar couldn't swing it much. At best he had a slower swinging Yorker. Which even Roberts has except Roberts is less erratic than Akhtar.

As for Murali I don't know what to say if you think Someone who has 534 wickets in ODIs isn't good enough to get wickets at right time. Especially if his economy is well below 4. It's a clear indication that batsmen couldn't handle him.

Again the nature of the ball maters, Kookaburra and Duke ball holds longer compared to SG balls used in Sub cont.Considering the condition it should hold its shine longer for most bowlers to use it.
 
Not much difference you can see out of these two but as i said, seen more of Warne's ability to set batsmen compared to Murali.
Murali is economical,he puts those breaks on the RR to batsmen try something adventurous to loose his wkt.But again Warne got better variety compared to Murali.
I don't fancy Anwar at all in these conditions less so against someone like Akram who'll dislodge him quickly here and bring Viv early to the crease.

NM also has natural players of spin as compared to crappycraperson. I think it's unfair to say that a man with over 500 wickets can only keep the runs down. Moreover keeping the total down will hurt crappycraperson as he is against a great chasing team.
 
Hardly. Kallis didn't have to carry his team like Chanderpaul did multiple times. Your comparison was in a situation where we would need to rebuild in which situation Chanderpaul is 100 times the batsman Kallis ever was. Even lamb is a much much better batsman than Kallis. Especially in chases, often against top teams of the time Lamb was the key wicket opposition teams wanted. Kallis is overrated. He is a good batsman but nothing special.
I think you are overrating Lamb here.
 
I don't fancy Anwar at all in these conditions less so against someone like Akram who'll dislodge him quickly here and bring Viv early to the crease.

NM also has natural players of spin as compared to crappycraperson. I think it's unfair to say that a man with over 500 wickets can only keep the runs down. Moreover keeping the total down will hurt crappycraperson as he is against a great chasing team.
It's murali vs Warne. Neither side can claim a sizeable advantage here
 
Voted crappy. Reckon that man Warney is the difference between the teams. Saying that looking at 4 and 5, Viv and Kallis v Lamb and Shiv is a no brainer to me.
 
I don't fancy Anwar at all in these conditions less so against someone like Akram who'll dislodge him quickly here and bring Viv early to the crease.

NM also has natural players of spin as compared to crappycraperson. I think it's unfair to say that a man with over 500 wickets can only keep the runs down. Moreover keeping the total down will hurt crappycraperson as he is against a great chasing team.

No argument on Akram here,best left arm pace bowler game had ever seen.
I'm not going unfair against Murali here, as ODI is all about keeping runs down and getting wkts, i just picked one between Warne and Murali as former is in much better position against NM/Parth's MO.
 
Not much difference you can see out of these two but as i said, seen more of Warne's ability to set batsmen compared to Murali.
Murali is economical,he puts those breaks on the RR to batsmen try something adventurous to loose his wkt.But again Warne got better variety compared to Murali.

In the last 3 world cups, Murali has taken at least 15 wickets each. In South Africa, West Indies and subcontinent.

To say that he isn't a wicket taker is not fair at all. Especially since he was in his last. Economy is an added advantage of course. But he is just as good a wicket taker.
 
Virat Kohli will find it difficult to face fast bowlers like Malinga?







Virat Kohli is an exceptionally dependable batsman. Especially in chases. With Dhoni Hayden and Lamb to support.

Lamb was also a very good outlet while chasing. The guy averages 40.76 chasing.

Against India in Kanpur http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64251.html
Against Windies in Pak http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65092.html
Against Pak in Lords http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65006.html
Against NZ in Sydney http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65344.html
 
I think you are overrating Lamb here.

No if anything people are underrating him. He was an excellent ODI player for England who almost always had to play with tailenders in a chase.
 
Big game players? How about Andy Roberts?

8 wickets in 5 games in WC 1975 ( better record than Dennis Lillee in same no of games)
7 wickets in 4 games in WC 1979 ( better than Imran, Botham, Sarfraz and Hadlee. Kapil played in this but to no avail)
11 wickets in 7 games in WC 1983 (Kapil has 12 in 8)

Overall Kapil has 28 wickets from 26 games and Roberts has 26 from 16. So if Kapil is a big game player, what does that make Roberts? Kapil Dev was 24 in 1983 and Roberts was 32. Even then Dev took 1 wicket extra, playing a match more. His "big game" playing is overrated. Especially when you compare to Andy Roberts. Kapil Dev could never replicate that success in any other world cups.
 
Other big game performances -

Kapil Dev 3/23 in WCC final in 85, Lack of swing bowler did you say -

Cairns' 102 in 2001 Champions trophy final against India -

Shoaib Akhtar 99 semi final against NZ -


The simple fact that Shoaib Akhtar seems to concede 55 runs in his 10 overs just proves my point that he was erratic even at his best.