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You had £146M in the bank on 30 September -nothing to do with the bond.

Yes that is correct.
However restrictive covenants stop them from using it to pay off the PIK at the moment - this why they have to do the whole bond thing to get rid of the current senior debt and associated restrictions.
Note that they will not directly use the cash from the bond to pay off the PIKs.


That was my understanding too. I think it says it in the prospectus.

So if the bonds are sold, then United will have £146m in the bank (rather than the £116m or whatever it is at present). So this, £30m goes to pay off some of the senior debt, and £70m goes (probably) to pay off the PIKs. So United will have less money to spend in the short term on things like players/wages etc., not more (unless an additional loan is taken out). Does that sound right?

Yes it clearly says that if the bond issue is successful, they can use up to £70m from the current cash in the bank to pay off their own debts.
Your calculations are a bit off though - I tried to explain it here if it makes any more sense to you:

Well £146.6m is what was in the club bank account as of 30 Sep 2009 (suggesting that the Ronaldo cash plus more has indeed been sat unused in the club's coffers).

If the bond offering is successful then:
- the Glazers get permission to use upto £70m to pay off the PIKs
- another £30m cash is lost along the way (inc. £15m fees and expenses for the bond offer)

This leaves the figure of £46m as quoted in Suedesi's post - the Glazers then aim to add a further £75m revolving credit facility (if required) to that which gives a grand total of £121m to be spend on transfers and working capital.
 
The £70m has to come out of the £146m so you cant add them together.

The 70m will become available once we sell the bonds, so it will be in addition to the £146m already available in cash, surely?

PS's summary makes sense to me. They're planning to raise enough wedge to pay off all the PIKs (for which they are personally responsible) and leave all the debt entirely on the club - in the form of these bonds.

Unfortunately, this leaves SAF without a pot to piss in, transfer-wise (as if we didn't know that already) hence the rumours of trying to borrow an extra £75m in addition to funds raised through the bonds.
 
From RoM............for those that can understand it



ANOTHER ANALYSIS OF THE DEBT



There is plenty of talk about our debt issues at the moment, where just like in 2005, the less than satisfying performances have come at a time of more doom and gloom about the Glazers.

I received an e-mail this morning from a poster on the blog asking me to share some of his analysis with the readers. He works in a financial planning department, is a qualified Chartered Accountant, and has Masters in Economics and a Masters in Finance. In summary, a pretty smart cookie.
I’ve edited his analysis and hopefully this should give us all some more understanding of what is going on at our club at the moment. This is not sugar coating the issue, rather weighing up the negatives, as well as the positives, thanks to a situation we’ve been forced in to because of the Glazer takeover.
First, let’s try to clear up some common misrepresentations:-
- There is a difference between Profit and Cash Flow. Profit made on player sales represents the difference between the sale value of the player minus the written down value of the player in the books of the company. So to say that the entire amount of £80.7m mentioned in the accounts as profit made on Cristiano Ronaldo is wrong as Cristiano was bought for around £12.8m and after accounting for accumulated depreciation/amortisation (which would be a small amount in his case as he was a very young player when bought and his remaining ‘estimated economic life’ would be long) I would say the figure related to Ronaldo is closer to £70m. The remaining £10m is down to sales of other players and youth team/ reserve team players that we have moved on, which is likely to continue in the future as well because United have recently sold on the youth players we think are not good enough to make it at Old Trafford.
- Similarly I read some comments on the lines of “If we had purchased Carlos Tevez for £25m, our profits would have been lower by £25m.” Again not correct. Players are the operating assets of a football club and any purchase made will reflect in the cash-flow statement and not in the Profit and loss statement. So if had in fact purchased Tevez for 25 million, our profits would have been almost unaffected except for the annual depreciation on him, which would have worked out to £2m pounds assuming an estimated working life of 10 years (he is 25 now, so him playing until 35 is a justified assumption)
- Financially, the GLAZERS and THE CLUB are now virtually one and the same, whether we like it or not. Underneath all the corporate veil and the mesh of companies (holding companies, subsidiaries, etc) the sad truth of de-listing is that the company and the Glazers are now one, whether we like it or not. The Glazers debt is virtually our debt, so we can safely say that the secured debt mentioned in the accounts is bollocks and the real debt is closer to £710m pounds after including the PIK loans of around £200m on the Glazers personal Balance sheet. There is nothing the club can do to stop siphoning off of funds from the club to the Glazers and that is sadly a fact for all of us.
The published accounts are as follows:
Match day Revenue is more or less maxed out and shouldn’t exceed £110-112m next year as almost all Old Trafford games were already at full capacity this year, and so no substantial further rise can be foreseen. Unless you consider we are due another yearly rise in ticket prices. There is also the future potential of increasing capacity in the South Stand.
Media Revenue can be expected to rise further to an estimated £105-110m as the payments from the Premier League on media engagements continue to rise. Media revenue is also dependent on United reaching the last stages of the UEFA Champions league and cup games.
Commercial Revenue is again expected to rise next year to around £80-82m as the new shirt sponsorship deal and deals with Airtel and other commercial partners kick-in in full next year. This year figures reflect only a small part of those as they were struck in the middle of the year. The full benefit of those will be realised in 2010 with commercial revenues likely to be significantly higher next year.
Based on the above estimates, the picture for next year should be as follows:
The EBITDA is the key figure that we must focus on, because it represents the cash available for us to repay the debt and interest as well as finance the player purchases.
The depreciation and amortisation figures are just book entries and do not involve cash outlays, which is the key thing for any leveraged acquisition. (Believe me I know what I’m talking about as I work in the Financial Planning department for a company called Tata Steel which itself was involved in $12 bn leveraged buy-out of Corus Steel in the UK, which many of you might know about as it has been in the news lately with Gordon Brown involved in some discussions with the company). As you know, we cannot depend on profit on player sales as they are a one-time ‘extra-ordinary’ income and such huge windfall profits cannot be expected every year.
Also, we must keep in mind that losses on player sales might occur in the future, such as the loss on Louis Saha, Juan Sebastian Veron happened in the past, we may see the same for players such as Nani, Owen Hargreaves, etc. if they are moved on for less than their written down value.
The original Glazer line of giving Sir Alex £25m a year seems to be partly covered, as out of the approx EBITDA of £90-95m every year, £25m could go to player purchases (plus any profit from player sales could be safely re-invested after paying off the tax on capital profits – yes, profit on sale of players do attract taxes!) leaving around £60-65m cash for payment of interest and repayment of debt.
However the real spanner in the works has been thrown in on account of the financial markets going into free-fall. This meant that the Glazers could not refinance the extremely high interest bearing PIK loans (14.25%) and this led to extremely high total interest payments over the last few years (£41.9m and £45.5m is just the interest on Secured bank loans part – add the PIK part as well and the total is closer to £68-70m every year). Also, the cash saved by the club over the last few years from not using up the £25m a year transfer fund (the club has a net spend of £32m over the last few years I think as pointed out by Scott when comparing Sir Alex Ferguson’s spending with Rafa Benitez) has all been lost on fruitless expenses such as derivative fees, fees to financial institutions, hedge losses, etc.
Also, these PIK loans are lowest in the hierarchy of repayments; any repayment would first have to go towards the bank secured “Senior” loans of around £510m remaining on the balance sheet.
You could easily ask why not pay-off these extremely high interest loans first to get rid of them – the answer is that it would not be allowed by the “Senior” bank lenders as these PIK loans are ‘Junior’ loans which can be repaid only after senior debt is repaid.
Also other restrictive covenants based on profits/losses, EBITDA multiples, etc. would be imposed leading to restricting our movements in the transfer markets.
This is where this BOND issue of almost £500m comes in. If it is successful, then the senior loans of the bank could be paid off. This means that the hierarchy of loans is gone. The bonds are planned to be secured on the clubs assets and if you read one of the articles where it says the Glazers can then use the remaining cash at the moment to pay dividend to themselves whereby they can use £70m or so to pay off the PIK loans or use it as they deem fit.
This is where I think, this bond issue is going to help us. It removes the restrictive covenants that the bank loans have put on the club, enabling us to pay off the crippling PIK loans quickly, as well as have greater freedom in financial matters such as further raising of funds.
The Revolving credit of £75m that the club seems to have signed is basically a short term measure or a working capital loan – it should NOT be used to buy players because in principle, short-term funds should only be used for short term assets (and long term owned funds for long term assets) as otherwise there will be ‘asset-liability mismatch’ in financial jargon leading to other issues and expenses such as the hedging loss suffered by the club to match the interest rates, exchange rates etc.
Conclusion: Despite all of Sir Alex’s protestations to the contrary, he does not have all of the £80m from Cristiano Ronaldo’s sale. In theory, yes he does still have that amount of money in the bank account/cash flow, but if the above bond issue does go through as planned, and the Glazers do indeed take away around £70m of the remaining cash, then Sir Alex might just have to restrict his spending. Coming from a working class Scottish background and will put financial prudence and long term financial safety of the club first over immediate success.
Positives: All is not lost, if the PIK loans are taken care of, then in the long term the rest of the bonds and loans can be re-financed, plenty of takers should be available considering that the business model remains essentially healthy and sound. Young players coming through this club are exciting and very large reinforcements are not needed anyway, just a few decent players here or there should help us tide through. EBITDA levels are expected to remain competitive.
Negatives: The club must continue to build on its success. A drop outside the top four could be financially disastrous. We simply cannot afford to finish outside the top four as it would involve a straight loss of almost £40m a year (£25m from UEFA plus all the matchday revenue and commercial revenue brought by it.) Our days of break the bank signings seem to be over. Even if we do make any marquee signings, it will be out of borrowed funds (the revolving credit facilities) and would put us under great pressure to succeed to balance the books in the long run, making the situation even more precarious. Sir Alex knows this and hence the constant assertions of there being “no value in the market.”
The Glazers have taken the club for a ride and needless expenses on financial institutions could been avoided. However, we must also keep in mind that all this was in some ways necessary to move away from being a PLC which was also holding us back as was highlighted by Sir Alex himself at the time of the takeover. Some of these expenses were a necessary evil, but the financial downturn came at the wrong time which has made the situation even worse then it had to be. This answers the question as to why David Gill later approved the takeover in the first place (at the second time of asking the offer from the Glazers was improved upon over the first offer).
We cannot just wish away the Glazers, so the sad truth is we must stick with them and hope people such as David Gill are able to steer it away from all the complications and that the players under Sir Alex are able to continue their success.
The analysis has been restricted to the amount of publicly available information as the club is now no longer a PLC and hence information is not freely available about the goings on inside the club.
A big thanks to Abhay (Red Devil) for sharing this perspective.
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Well £146.6m is what was in the club bank account as of 30 Sep 2009 (suggesting that the Ronaldo cash plus more has indeed been sat unused in the club's coffers).

If the bond offering is successful then:
- the Glazers get permission to use upto £70m to pay off the PIKs
- another £30m cash is lost along the way (inc. £15m fees and expenses for the bond offer)

This leaves the figure of £46m as quoted in Suedesi's post - the Glazers then aim to add a further £75m revolving credit facility (if required) to that which gives a grand total of £121m to be spend on transfers and working capital.

Ah right, yes I've seen the £46m figure elsewhere.

So the money from Ronnie's sale was sat in the bank but it would seem that there was little intention of spending it (presumably a "healthy" bank balance is important to make the bonds attractive for investors and the Glazers always wanted to use as much as possible to pay off the PIKs). Might also explain the reasons for the Llijac deal falling through.

And for future investment in the squad (which I think everyone agrees is essential), the Glazers will need to borrow more money?
 
The 70m will become available once we sell the bonds, so it will be in addition to the £146m already available in cash, surely?

PS's summary makes sense to me. They're planning to raise enough wedge to pay off all the PIKs (for which they are personally responsible) and leave all the debt entirely on the club - in the form of these bonds.

Unfortunately, this leaves SAF without a pot to piss in, transfer-wise (as if we didn't know that already) hence the rumours of trying to borrow an extra £75m in addition to funds raised through the bonds.

No - you are wrong. See above.

The extra £75m is not a rumour - it is also clearly stated in the prospectus.
 
Yes that is correct.
However restrictive covenants stop them from using it to pay off the PIK at the moment - this why they have to do the whole bond thing to get rid of the current senior debt and associated restrictions.
Note that they will not directly use the cash from the bond to pay off the PIKs.

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Are the covenants new, since they paid off the first tranche of PIKS? It may not matter if they use the bond money directly as long as they free up about £200M (at season ticket renewal time for example). Looking at it top down the strategy must be to kill the PIKS by hook or by crook before they kill you. The other possibility mooted was to avoid the principal repayments coming down the track but even these must be subordinate to the ticking bomb.
 
That was my understanding too. I think it says it in the prospectus.

So if the bonds are sold, then United will have £146m in the bank (rather than the £116m or whatever it is at present). So this, £30m goes to pay off some of the senior debt, and £70m goes (probably) to pay off the PIKs. So United will have less money to spend in the short term on things like players/wages etc., not more (unless an additional loan is taken out). Does that sound right?

That's how I understand it.
 
How is this a good investment? United look as if they are at the doorstep of a rebuilding phase. It could be years before another title is won. (Not being negative, just realistic)

So, the Glazers want to spread out the loss over a few thousand people, sounds like a good plan but I don't see people rushing in to throw their money at a losing proposition, not in this economy. (Not after the AIG scam and Madoff and the many many ponzi scams, of late) They might have pulled it off before the sale of Ronaldo.



The only way I see this as a viable solution is if United buy well in this transfer window, win the title, and gain enormous publicity by overcoming Liverpool in the Cup count. Then it might work.
 
anyone else finding the last few days really depressing with regards all this financial stuff.

I mean I already worried about the future of the club, but getting it all thrown out there in black and white makes it seem so much more real or something.

freaking horrible.
 
Then at least your consciences are clear, as it's people like you who graduated, smoked some cigars, patted themselves on the back, and then helped get us into this mess.
Well...... I don't believe in borrowing money at all or at insane interest rates to buy what I want. I also have an inherent distrust of all banks too. I'm pretty sure our current owners didn't exhibit any of those characteristics.

& P.S: I don't smoke either.
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From RoM............for those that can understand it



ANOTHER ANALYSIS OF THE DEBT



There is plenty of talk about our debt issues at the moment, where just like in 2005, the less than satisfying performances have come at a time of more doom and gloom about the Glazers.

I received an e-mail this morning from a poster on the blog asking me to share some of his analysis with the readers. He works in a financial planning department, is a qualified Chartered Accountant, and has Masters in Economics and a Masters in Finance. In summary, a pretty smart cookie.
I’ve edited his analysis and hopefully this should give us all some more understanding of what is going on at our club at the moment. This is not sugar coating the issue, rather weighing up the negatives, as well as the positives, thanks to a situation we’ve been forced in to because of the Glazer takeover.
First, let’s try to clear up some common misrepresentations:-
- There is a difference between Profit and Cash Flow. Profit made on player sales represents the difference between the sale value of the player minus the written down value of the player in the books of the company. So to say that the entire amount of £80.7m mentioned in the accounts as profit made on Cristiano Ronaldo is wrong as Cristiano was bought for around £12.8m and after accounting for accumulated depreciation/amortisation (which would be a small amount in his case as he was a very young player when bought and his remaining ‘estimated economic life’ would be long) I would say the figure related to Ronaldo is closer to £70m. The remaining £10m is down to sales of other players and youth team/ reserve team players that we have moved on, which is likely to continue in the future as well because United have recently sold on the youth players we think are not good enough to make it at Old Trafford.
- Similarly I read some comments on the lines of “If we had purchased Carlos Tevez for £25m, our profits would have been lower by £25m.” Again not correct. Players are the operating assets of a football club and any purchase made will reflect in the cash-flow statement and not in the Profit and loss statement. So if had in fact purchased Tevez for 25 million, our profits would have been almost unaffected except for the annual depreciation on him, which would have worked out to £2m pounds assuming an estimated working life of 10 years (he is 25 now, so him playing until 35 is a justified assumption)
- Financially, the GLAZERS and THE CLUB are now virtually one and the same, whether we like it or not. Underneath all the corporate veil and the mesh of companies (holding companies, subsidiaries, etc) the sad truth of de-listing is that the company and the Glazers are now one, whether we like it or not. The Glazers debt is virtually our debt, so we can safely say that the secured debt mentioned in the accounts is bollocks and the real debt is closer to £710m pounds after including the PIK loans of around £200m on the Glazers personal Balance sheet. There is nothing the club can do to stop siphoning off of funds from the club to the Glazers and that is sadly a fact for all of us.
The published accounts are as follows:
Match day Revenue is more or less maxed out and shouldn’t exceed £110-112m next year as almost all Old Trafford games were already at full capacity this year, and so no substantial further rise can be foreseen. Unless you consider we are due another yearly rise in ticket prices. There is also the future potential of increasing capacity in the South Stand.
Media Revenue can be expected to rise further to an estimated £105-110m as the payments from the Premier League on media engagements continue to rise. Media revenue is also dependent on United reaching the last stages of the UEFA Champions league and cup games.
Commercial Revenue is again expected to rise next year to around £80-82m as the new shirt sponsorship deal and deals with Airtel and other commercial partners kick-in in full next year. This year figures reflect only a small part of those as they were struck in the middle of the year. The full benefit of those will be realised in 2010 with commercial revenues likely to be significantly higher next year.
Based on the above estimates, the picture for next year should be as follows:
The EBITDA is the key figure that we must focus on, because it represents the cash available for us to repay the debt and interest as well as finance the player purchases.
The depreciation and amortisation figures are just book entries and do not involve cash outlays, which is the key thing for any leveraged acquisition. (Believe me I know what I’m talking about as I work in the Financial Planning department for a company called Tata Steel which itself was involved in $12 bn leveraged buy-out of Corus Steel in the UK, which many of you might know about as it has been in the news lately with Gordon Brown involved in some discussions with the company). As you know, we cannot depend on profit on player sales as they are a one-time ‘extra-ordinary’ income and such huge windfall profits cannot be expected every year.
Also, we must keep in mind that losses on player sales might occur in the future, such as the loss on Louis Saha, Juan Sebastian Veron happened in the past, we may see the same for players such as Nani, Owen Hargreaves, etc. if they are moved on for less than their written down value.
The original Glazer line of giving Sir Alex £25m a year seems to be partly covered, as out of the approx EBITDA of £90-95m every year, £25m could go to player purchases (plus any profit from player sales could be safely re-invested after paying off the tax on capital profits – yes, profit on sale of players do attract taxes!) leaving around £60-65m cash for payment of interest and repayment of debt.
However the real spanner in the works has been thrown in on account of the financial markets going into free-fall. This meant that the Glazers could not refinance the extremely high interest bearing PIK loans (14.25%) and this led to extremely high total interest payments over the last few years (£41.9m and £45.5m is just the interest on Secured bank loans part – add the PIK part as well and the total is closer to £68-70m every year). Also, the cash saved by the club over the last few years from not using up the £25m a year transfer fund (the club has a net spend of £32m over the last few years I think as pointed out by Scott when comparing Sir Alex Ferguson’s spending with Rafa Benitez) has all been lost on fruitless expenses such as derivative fees, fees to financial institutions, hedge losses, etc.
Also, these PIK loans are lowest in the hierarchy of repayments; any repayment would first have to go towards the bank secured “Senior” loans of around £510m remaining on the balance sheet.
You could easily ask why not pay-off these extremely high interest loans first to get rid of them – the answer is that it would not be allowed by the “Senior” bank lenders as these PIK loans are ‘Junior’ loans which can be repaid only after senior debt is repaid.
Also other restrictive covenants based on profits/losses, EBITDA multiples, etc. would be imposed leading to restricting our movements in the transfer markets.
This is where this BOND issue of almost £500m comes in. If it is successful, then the senior loans of the bank could be paid off. This means that the hierarchy of loans is gone. The bonds are planned to be secured on the clubs assets and if you read one of the articles where it says the Glazers can then use the remaining cash at the moment to pay dividend to themselves whereby they can use £70m or so to pay off the PIK loans or use it as they deem fit.
This is where I think, this bond issue is going to help us. It removes the restrictive covenants that the bank loans have put on the club, enabling us to pay off the crippling PIK loans quickly, as well as have greater freedom in financial matters such as further raising of funds.
The Revolving credit of £75m that the club seems to have signed is basically a short term measure or a working capital loan – it should NOT be used to buy players because in principle, short-term funds should only be used for short term assets (and long term owned funds for long term assets) as otherwise there will be ‘asset-liability mismatch’ in financial jargon leading to other issues and expenses such as the hedging loss suffered by the club to match the interest rates, exchange rates etc.
Conclusion: Despite all of Sir Alex’s protestations to the contrary, he does not have all of the £80m from Cristiano Ronaldo’s sale. In theory, yes he does still have that amount of money in the bank account/cash flow, but if the above bond issue does go through as planned, and the Glazers do indeed take away around £70m of the remaining cash, then Sir Alex might just have to restrict his spending. Coming from a working class Scottish background and will put financial prudence and long term financial safety of the club first over immediate success.
Positives: All is not lost, if the PIK loans are taken care of, then in the long term the rest of the bonds and loans can be re-financed, plenty of takers should be available considering that the business model remains essentially healthy and sound. Young players coming through this club are exciting and very large reinforcements are not needed anyway, just a few decent players here or there should help us tide through. EBITDA levels are expected to remain competitive.
Negatives: The club must continue to build on its success. A drop outside the top four could be financially disastrous. We simply cannot afford to finish outside the top four as it would involve a straight loss of almost £40m a year (£25m from UEFA plus all the matchday revenue and commercial revenue brought by it.) Our days of break the bank signings seem to be over. Even if we do make any marquee signings, it will be out of borrowed funds (the revolving credit facilities) and would put us under great pressure to succeed to balance the books in the long run, making the situation even more precarious. Sir Alex knows this and hence the constant assertions of there being “no value in the market.”
The Glazers have taken the club for a ride and needless expenses on financial institutions could been avoided. However, we must also keep in mind that all this was in some ways necessary to move away from being a PLC which was also holding us back as was highlighted by Sir Alex himself at the time of the takeover. Some of these expenses were a necessary evil, but the financial downturn came at the wrong time which has made the situation even worse then it had to be. This answers the question as to why David Gill later approved the takeover in the first place (at the second time of asking the offer from the Glazers was improved upon over the first offer).
We cannot just wish away the Glazers, so the sad truth is we must stick with them and hope people such as David Gill are able to steer it away from all the complications and that the players under Sir Alex are able to continue their success.
The analysis has been restricted to the amount of publicly available information as the club is now no longer a PLC and hence information is not freely available about the goings on inside the club.
A big thanks to Abhay (Red Devil) for sharing this perspective.
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Probably the least depressing article I have read on this all week.
 
anyone else finding the last few days really depressing with regards all this financial stuff.

I mean I already worried about the future of the club, but getting it all thrown out there in black and white makes it seem so much more real or something.

freaking horrible.

It's bad, but it's not THAT bad.

The real problem in all this is the Glazers putting SAF on the spot. He's MUFC's CEO without the title. Now we have the owners putting the CEO in a highly unfamiliar situation and expecting familiar results: use this money to buy players you might not have bought at a time when you might not have normally bought them, or else the club faces an immediate inability to maintain solvency. Not the kind of thing you normally ask a manager to do, especially after twenty years of doing it his way and succeeding.

It's sort of like Man vs. Wild with SAF as Bear Grylls and the Glazers trying to load him up with ultra high-tech fancy gear and SAF saying, "WTF. It's Man vs. Wild, not Gadget vs Wild. I don't need all this shit," and the Glazers saying, "The thing is, you have to use it or else we're getting axed."

Ugh. Horrible analogy, but sort of on target.
 
Are the covenants new, since they paid off the first tranche of PIKS? It may not matter if they use the bond money directly as long as they free up about £200M (at season ticket renewal time for example). Looking at it top down the strategy must be to kill the PIKS by hook or by crook before they kill you. The other possibility mooted was to avoid the principal repayments coming down the track but even these must be subordinate to the ticking bomb.

I assume the senior lenders will have put in a clause saying that the Glazers could not use cash from the club to pay off their own debt - this was clearly a good thing from our perspective as fans but now the Glazers want to get rid of that to have more flexibility which is why they need the bond issue.

Yes - getting rid of the PIKs is likely to be the priority - especially dealing with the first part that needed to be redeemed later this year. I am assuming this first part will probably be £70m which is why that amount is specified.
There is no provision in the prospectus about getting rid of the rest of the PIK - although this doesnt mean they wont try to do it.
 
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Papers: Number crunching

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Glazers tackle United debt mountain

There is no expense spared for Manchester United these days. On Sunday, the first-team squad escaped the icy north-west of England and flew off to Doha for a four-day training camp, avoiding at the same time a crucial moment in the club’s financial fortunes. The £500m ($806m) bond issue announced on Monday by the club potentially marks the moment when the Glazers, the US sports franchise owners who bought Manchester United in a £790m leveraged buy-out in 2005, began to look at the club’s finances to help address the debt burden piling up on the family’s balance sheet.
Roger Blitz and Anousha Sakoui, Financial Times

While there is widespread reaction to United's decision to issue the £500m bond and to the financial results of Red Football Ltd, there are other stories - for example, a link with Benfica winger Angel di Maria. The Daily Mail claims "United have offered £12m plus winger Nani for the Argentinian, while Chelsea sporting director Frank Arnesen has been to see him in action. Inter also watched him on Sunday and are now preparing an offer."

The Manchester Evening News runs Darren Fletcher's vow not to lose the competitive side of the game, despite his dismissal against Birmingham City. You can read the quotes in our Football News story.

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Doesn't look like the official United website fancied actually putting up some of the stuff being said about the debt from the papers eh! Wonder why
 
I must say the shit really has become staggeringly more real now that it's gone from internet mumblings to mainstream media reportings. The information (and there's tons of it) makes for depressing reading.
 
I must say the shit really has become staggeringly more real now that it's gone from internet mumblings to mainstream media reportings. The information (and there's tons of it) makes for depressing reading.

Look on the bright side: future Caftards will look on this year and show automatic respect for anyone who managed to keep their reputation unscathed during Ronaldo-gate and Glazer's Gambit.

Granted, they'll be going to watch games at the HP-Microsoft Arena. But that's a small price (not) to pay.
 
I have to agree with Kevin Garside in this article from today's Daily Telegraph. I have thought for some time that Fergie had more than trophies on his mind.



Sir Alex Ferguson can't make a silk purse from patchwork Manchester United side
How long before Sir Alex Ferguson's pips begin to squeak as painfully as Malcolm Glazer's?


By Kevin Garside, Chief Sports Writer
Published: 7:00AM GMT 12 Jan 2010


Ferguson's argument that the debt mountain underpinning the ownership of Manchester United does not impact on his capacity to manage the team is one bad tackle from a serious challenge.

There was a moment at St Andrews when Wayne Rooney went down clutching his right foot. Rooney is Ferguson's only credible option up front. Without him United would carry negative threat as well as negative equity. Rooney is running himself into the ground, stressing his body beyond optimum use, and leaving himself vulnerable to injury.

Had he not got up against Birmingham, Ferguson would have had an almighty job justifying his no-spending policy. His reasons for not investing are already as threadbare as United's books. Injury to Rooney – and we all pray daily for his continued health – is the Doomsday scenario, but even that is a better hand than that threatened by the Old Trafford ledger.

The big bond idea rolled out yesterday revealed a balance sheet rescued by the gold in Cristiano Ronaldo's feet. Were it not for the sale of the century the cash light Glazers would have traded at a £39 million loss. With a debt estimated at £700 million it does not take Copernicus to point out the black hole in the United firmament. The kind of gaping void only the sale of a Rooney might fill.

Thus far Ferguson's position has been supported by the Premier League table. Three championships on the spin and a European Cup are powerful arguments propping up his stance that debt is OK. This term United stand second, a point behind leaders Chelsea. Statistically that is hardly desperate, even if Chelsea have a game in hand.

Ferguson is fortunate that this season's EPL vintage is no great shakes. Arsenal's frailty and Chelsea's recent downturn is camouflaging the fault lines in his own team. Even the diehards struggled to fend off the impression at St Andrews that what they were seeing was the poorest United ensemble of the Premier League years.

Yes they were half a side shy of Fergie's first XI, but what was United's greatest strength if not depth? Ferguson shopped at the flee market following the sale of Ronaldo, taking a free punt on Michael Owen and spending buttons on a wayward French prodigy from his old mate Laurent Blanc at Bordeaux. Antonio Valencia was the only muscular addition. Thank heavens he paid off.

It may be that Glazer pulls off his fiscal tap dance, but it will not alter the structural weakness that his ownership has introduced. He was a sub prime buyer, who would not get past the window were he shopping today. United is still one of the most prestigious global sporting brands. Were Glazer to go belly up, the creditors would have no trouble getting their money back.

Perhaps that is Fergie's master plan before he leaves: to take United of Champions League contention, wiping the value off the bond and Glazer off the face of this footballing earth.
 
Look on the bright side: future Caftards will look on this year and show automatic respect for anyone who managed to keep their reputation unscathed during Ronaldo-gate and Glazer's Gambit.

Granted, they'll be going to watch games at the HP-Microsoft Arena. But that's a small price (not) to pay.

Me and FredtheRed will be sat in the empty Nike Bowl watching Diouf and Wellbeck attempt to find the leveller against Blackpool in the Championship wearing "I was right all along" T-Shirts in a few years. Well Fred won't of course, as he'll still be boycotting. :D
 
So we have to pay off the main debt before we pay off the PIKs?

Yes. Which seems to be the reason for the bond issue. That pays off the main debt (albeit with another debt), meaning that the Glazers can then start to pay off the PIKs (which are on much less favourable terms). And that, of course, is where Mr Ronaldo comes in.
 
Have we done this or are we just going to do it very soon like.
 
Me and FredtheRed will be sat in the empty Nike Bowl watching Diouf and Wellbeck attempt to find the leveller against Blackpool in the Championship wearing "I was right all along" T-Shirts in a few years. Well Fred won't of course, as he'll still be boycotting. :D

And by 'attempting', you mean 'running around the edge of the box, shitting themselves at the thought of shooting. And everyone will blame Berbatov. It's his legacy, afterall.'
 
Presumably the players know alot more than we do and talk about this subject a great deal - it must be dominating the dinner table chat.

What impact does anybody think it is having on them? What do you think their view is - Do they also think they are just a season away from the abyss?!
 
I have to agree with Kevin Garside in this article from today's Daily Telegraph. I have thought for some time that Fergie had more than trophies on his mind.



Sir Alex Ferguson can't make a silk purse from patchwork Manchester United side
How long before Sir Alex Ferguson's pips begin to squeak as painfully as Malcolm Glazer's?


By Kevin Garside, Chief Sports Writer
Published: 7:00AM GMT 12 Jan 2010


Ferguson's argument that the debt mountain underpinning the ownership of Manchester United does not impact on his capacity to manage the team is one bad tackle from a serious challenge.

There was a moment at St Andrews when Wayne Rooney went down clutching his right foot. Rooney is Ferguson's only credible option up front. Without him United would carry negative threat as well as negative equity. Rooney is running himself into the ground, stressing his body beyond optimum use, and leaving himself vulnerable to injury.

Had he not got up against Birmingham, Ferguson would have had an almighty job justifying his no-spending policy. His reasons for not investing are already as threadbare as United's books. Injury to Rooney – and we all pray daily for his continued health – is the Doomsday scenario, but even that is a better hand than that threatened by the Old Trafford ledger.

The big bond idea rolled out yesterday revealed a balance sheet rescued by the gold in Cristiano Ronaldo's feet. Were it not for the sale of the century the cash light Glazers would have traded at a £39 million loss. With a debt estimated at £700 million it does not take Copernicus to point out the black hole in the United firmament. The kind of gaping void only the sale of a Rooney might fill.

Thus far Ferguson's position has been supported by the Premier League table. Three championships on the spin and a European Cup are powerful arguments propping up his stance that debt is OK. This term United stand second, a point behind leaders Chelsea. Statistically that is hardly desperate, even if Chelsea have a game in hand.

Ferguson is fortunate that this season's EPL vintage is no great shakes. Arsenal's frailty and Chelsea's recent downturn is camouflaging the fault lines in his own team. Even the diehards struggled to fend off the impression at St Andrews that what they were seeing was the poorest United ensemble of the Premier League years.

Yes they were half a side shy of Fergie's first XI, but what was United's greatest strength if not depth? Ferguson shopped at the flee market following the sale of Ronaldo, taking a free punt on Michael Owen and spending buttons on a wayward French prodigy from his old mate Laurent Blanc at Bordeaux. Antonio Valencia was the only muscular addition. Thank heavens he paid off.

It may be that Glazer pulls off his fiscal tap dance, but it will not alter the structural weakness that his ownership has introduced. He was a sub prime buyer, who would not get past the window were he shopping today. United is still one of the most prestigious global sporting brands. Were Glazer to go belly up, the creditors would have no trouble getting their money back.

Perhaps that is Fergie's master plan before he leaves: to take United of Champions League contention, wiping the value off the bond and Glazer off the face of this footballing earth.


The fact is even Arsenal and Chelsea won't spend big in the transfer market.
Only the Manshitty FM type team is spending big money on not so great players. So what's wrong with United when you examine the whole PL teams ex Manshitty? It is when the other 18 PL teams are spending 30mill will United spending none is when you can argue there is trouble.
 
The fact is even Arsenal and Chelsea won't spend big in the transfer market. Only the Manshitty FM type team is spending big money on not so great players. So what's wrong with United when you examine the whole PL teams ex Manshitty? It is when the other 18 PL teams are spending 30mill will United spending none is when you can argue there is trouble.

Are you 12? :confused:
 
Rather than running themselves and both teams into the ground, I don't see why the Glazers don't sell the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or United. They're already running the NFL team on pennies...just sell the damn thing.
 
Rather than running themselves and both teams into the ground, I don't see why the Glazers don't sell the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or United. They're already running the NFL team on pennies...just sell the damn thing.

Well the word is that they've been trying to sell Tampa for a while. Just that no-one meets their valuation.
 
Well the word is that they've been trying to sell Tampa for a while. Just that no-one meets their valuation.

If they did manage to sell Tampa that could potentially be a good thing for us, it's just that I get the feeling if Glazer had a few hundred million spare he still wouldn't end the debt. Because he's a giant twat.

It's interesting also that Tampa have been even worse than United as of late with strings of loses, obviously United are more profitable so getting out of Tampa makes sense, but worrying in that Glazer obviously doesn't have the money he had (or lended) and that he's winding down his businesses. What's his actual fortune?
 
But are these 'magagement fees' within the norm? Does anyone know? And what about his children borrowing money from the club? This sounds like some kind of an accounting run around rather than a scam -but is this kind of business practice normal in football? I honestly didn't think I could be more wound up about this debt - but I have come home, read these articles tonight and have acquired an instant headache. The Glazers are taking the absolute piss - it seems quite unbelievable that this is legal and within the rules.

But hey - the footballing authorities have always been so sensible and reliable - there is no way they would never let a bunch of crooks run a major club. Just no way.
 
Me and FredtheRed will be sat in the empty Nike Bowl watching Diouf and Wellbeck attempt to find the leveller against Blackpool in the Championship wearing "I was right all along" T-Shirts in a few years. Well Fred won't of course, as he'll still be boycotting. :D

:lol:
 
The risk business: Manchester United reveal their worst nightmares | Manchester United - Times Online

The risk business: Manchester United reveal their worst nightmares

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The deepest, darkest fears of Manchester United’s owners have been laid bare in a 322-page document circulated among potential investors in their proposed £500 million bond issue.

It acknowledges the threats posed to the club by factors as diverse as Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement, Uefa’s proposed “financial fair-play initiative”, the boundless spending of their rivals — and even terrorism.

The prospectus lays out United’s business strengths and their future strategy as the club look to ease the financial burden of the huge debts brought about by the Glazer family’s takeover in 2005.

But, as a warning to potential investors, United also acknowledge numerous risk factors that could affect the club’s financial wellbeing in the seven years before the bond would mature.

They are listed as a means of ensuring that investors are aware of the potential downsides of buying into United — the early indications, after the club’s “road shows” across Asia on Sunday and Monday, are that interest has been strong — but never before have such fears been recognised publicly by the club.

Ferguson and David Gill, the United chief executive, have always dismissed supporters’ concerns about the risks attached to the Glazer takeover, but the new document, seen by The Times, illustrates the precarious nature of success on and off the pitch.

For years, since Ferguson abandoned his planned retirement in 2002, the issue of the manager’s successor has been one that the United hierarchy has been only too willing to put off. Yet he is 68 and has maintained that he will not manage beyond the age of 70.

The firm expectation is that he will carry on next season, but, sooner or later, United are facing a moment that may take the club into a period of transition or, worse still, decline.

“We are highly dependent on members of our management, including our manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, and players,” the document reads. “Our ability to attract and retain the highest-quality players and coaching staff is critical to the first team’s success . . . and, consequently, critical to our financial performance.

“Any successor to our manager may not be as successful as he has been. A downturn in the performance of the first team may adversely affect our ability to attract and retain such coaches and players.”

Then there are the concerns about Uefa’s plans to introduce regulations by 2012 whereby clubs who operate at a loss could be excluded from European competition.

United should not fall into that category, but, after paying £41.9 million in interest on their debts in the past financial year, they required the sale of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid to turn a £31.8 million loss into a £48.2 million profit. Michel Platini, the Uefa president, has frequently voiced his distaste at United’s debts, last recorded at £699 million.

The document reads: “Uefa has proposed certain spending restrictions on clubs participating in the Champions League and Europa League competitions. There is a risk that ... the ‘financial fair-play’ initiative could limit our ability to acquire or retain top players and ... materially adversely affect the performance of our first team.”

Concerns are aired about the big spending of some of United’s rivals, which presumably means Manchester City and Chelsea in the Barclays Premier League and Real on the European front. “In the Premier League, recent investment from wealthy team owners has led to teams with strong financial backing,” the document reads. “Other European football clubs are spending substantial sums on transfer fees and player salaries.

“Competition has led to higher salaries for our players as well as increased competition on the field. The increase in competition could result in our first team finishing lower in the Premier League . . . and jeopardising our qualification for or results in the Champions League, [which] could materially adversely affect our match-day, media and commercial revenues and our overall business.”

The harsh economic climate is also mentioned, with confirmation that 16 per cent of United’s corporate and executive tickets remained unsold as at September 30, 2009.

Most terrifying of all is the threat of terrorist activity, whether at Old Trafford or on the team’s pre-season tours. Those fears increased last July, when a bomb killed nine people in hotels in Jakarta, Indonesia — including the Ritz-Carlton, where the United squad were due to arrive the next evening.

“We are one of the highest-profile sports clubs in the world, with a global fanbase,” the document reads. “Our first team regularly tours the world for promotional matches, visiting various countries in Asia, the Middle East and Africa. Some of those countries have a history of terrorism and civil unrest. As such, our club and our players could be potential targets of terrorism when visiting those countries.

“In addition, Old Trafford is an iconic stadium and a potential target for terrorism. We insure against certain acts of terrorism and other disasters and use security screening to protect fans and visitors.”

Many unhappy returns?
In the prospectus for Manchester United’s proposed £500 million bond issue, potential investors are warned of numerous risk factors that could affect their returns. These include:

Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement “Any successor to our manager may not be as successful as he has been. A downturn in the performance of the first team may adversely affect our ability to attract and retain such coaches and players.”

Proposed Uefa regulations on debt “There is a risk that, in conjunction with increasing player salaries and transfer fees, the ‘financial fair-play’ initiative could limit our ability to acquire or retain top players and, therefore, materially adversely affect the performance of our first team.”

Big spending of United’s rivals “In the Premier League, recent investment from wealthy team owners has led to teams with strong financial backing. The increase in competition could result in our first team finishing lower in the Premier League than we have in the past and jeopardising our qualification for or results in the Champions League.”

Economic climate “Continued weak economic conditions may adversely affect our match-day and media revenues and could eventually affect our commercial and sponsorship revenues, each of which could have a material adverse effect on our business and results of operations.”

Threat of terrorism “Our club and our players could be potential targets of terrorism when visiting countries which have a history of terrorism and civil unrest. In addition, Old Trafford is an iconic stadium and a potential target for terrorism.”
 
Me and FredtheRed will be sat in the empty Nike Bowl watching Diouf and Wellbeck attempt to find the leveller against Blackpool in the Championship wearing "I was right all along" T-Shirts in a few years. Well Fred won't of course, as he'll still be boycotting. :D
I'd be willing to let that happen if it meant getting the leeches off us. I'll be sat there too though we might have to sell Wellbeck and Diouf (who will at that time be the greatest forward ever)
 
Glazers open the door to sale of Manchester United's training ground | Football | The Guardian

This is another article on that matter, Brad.

The ownership of Manchester United's Carrington training complex could be transferred to a holding company controlled by the Glazer family and leased back to the club, according to the prospectus *circulated to potential investors in a £500m refinancing scheme this week.

The £500m bond and a new £75m credit facility, which will add to an overall debt pile of more than £700m, will be secured on the majority of property owned by Manchester United, including Old Trafford.

But Carrington, the state of the art *complex that opened in 2000 to replace Manchester United's old training ground The Cliff, is specifically exempted.

"The Carrington training ground will not be encumbered and may in due course be transferred to a holding company or affiliate of the Parent. In the latter event, we will be granted a lease in respect of the Carrington training ground," said the offer document in a section describing Manchester United's business and assets.

The club currently own the freehold on Carrington and the idea of one of the assets most readily associated with them being transferred to the Glazers' own holding company, and potentially sold, will cause further disquiet among fans concerned that money continues to flow out of Old Trafford despite consistent success on the pitch.

The prospect of the club losing the training ground has disturbing echoes of Leeds United, who during their financial collapse were forced to sell their Thorp Arch training ground and lease it back.

Covering 108 acres near the village from which it takes its name and dubbed "Fortress Carrington" by locals thanks to the high security fences that surround it, the complex contains 14 pitches of varying sizes as well as physiotherapy and rehabilitation areas, restaurants, conference rooms and a TV studio.

Companies undertaking a bond issue are legally bound to list all kinds of potential risks attached to the offer, and the MU Finance plc prospectus contains warnings over everything from the potential impact of Sir Alex Ferguson's retirement to terrorist attacks and the danger of football becoming less popular.

But here too it is made clear that the indenture covering the bond issue's notes "will limit our ability to sell or transfer, but not *prohibit us from selling or transferring, our training ground or our stadium". If either is sold, it says it will enter into a long-term lease "to enable us to have substantially the same access to such property as we currently do".

Representatives of fans' groups that have long opposed the Glazer takeover said that the detail contained in the offer document, including the revelation that the family had taken £22.9m in management fees and loans out of the club, would increase levels of discontent. "People are starting to connect the fact that they are asking us to stump up more in ticket prices and they're not investing in the squad and on top of that they are taking money out for themselves. That is going to make it difficult to get away with another rise," said Duncan Drasdo, chief executive of the Manchester United Supporters' Trust.

The 322-page prospectus, the basis for a bond offer that most experts expect to be priced at around 9%, sets out in great detail the "high degree of risk" involved, together with the Glazers' strategy for continuing to maximise revenues.

Results released this week showed that income from matchday operations, TV contracts and commercial activities continued to rise, contributing to an increase in turnover to £276.8m. But without a £80.7m profit from transfer activities, including the sale of Ronaldo to Real Madrid, the club would have made a substantial loss. It also reveals that United have already received almost half of a new £80m four-year shirt sponsorship deal with Aon upfront, despite it not beginning until next season. It prioritises the targeting of new sponsors in areas not traditionally associated with football as a means of generating further revenue growth.

City sources expect the bond issue to succeed if it is priced and marketed correctly. But there were some dissenting voices yesterday, arguing that the yield from the bond should be closer to 9.5% given the company's profile and questioning the wisdom of investing in an unrated bond in such an uncertain sector.

"Most traditional high-yield investors won't touch this," Jonathan Moore, a high-yield analyst at Evolution Securities told Bloomberg yesterday. "It's unrated, so some investors can't take it, and there's a very busy new-issue calendar so there are plenty of alternatives. Most people just won't focus on something with far too much leverage, limited free cash flow and lumpy earnings."

Publicity publicity and more publicity, please. I don't care how sensationalist it is.

The shit is hitting the fan at Manchester United.
 
If only our government was as corrupt as the Spanish, we'd be able to sell off Carrington and magically have all our debt, despite it being far more than a training complex is ever worse, completely disappear!

The expenses scandal gives hope to us all
 
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