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I don't know if this article has been posted before but it is interesting and it gives a lowdown on this whole IPO thing:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...rd-jolly:-manchester-united-ipo---q&a?cc=5901

What is an IPO?

An Initial Public Offering (IPO) is when a private company becomes a public one by selling shares for the first time.

Why do Manchester United need one? Aren't they rolling in money?

Yes and no. United have announced a seven-year sponsorship deal with Chevrolet, described as being worth £200 million, and beginning in the 2014-15 season, which is the most lucrative in football. They already have a portfolio of sponsors and commercial partners. In the 2010-11 year, they received £31.3 million from their kit manufacturers Nike and have a minimum guaranteed annual income of £25.6 million from them. United's annual commercial income grew from £66 million to £103 million between 2009 and 2011. Broadcasting income rose by around 20% in that time, United's total income for the 2010-11 year was £331.4 million and their adjusted EBITDA - essentially their profit before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation are factored in - was £109.7 million. In their IPO prospectus, United say they have "an ability to monetize our brand."

However, United expect their income to decrease by as much as 5% to £315-320 million for the 2011-12 year, while expenses are likely to rise by 4-5%. Moreover, "our net finance costs", as United described them - essentially money spent repaying debts incurred by the Glazer family to finance their 2005 takeover of the club - is expected to be £49-50 million. Finance costs were £51.2 million in 2010-11, £108.5 million in 2009-10 and £117.4 million in 2008-09.

In addition, "as of June 30, 2012, we had approximately £70 million of cash and cash equivalents and approximately £437 million of borrowings outstanding," United reported. In other words, "one of the most popular and successful sports teams in the world," as United describe themselves, owe £437 million. So they need money. Why they need it now, however, has not been fully explained.

So how many shares are they selling and at what price?

United are selling 10% of shares in the club. They are selling 19,166,167 shares at a proposed maximum price of $20 each. If every share sells at its maximum price, that would bring in $383,333,340, or around £244 million, which would make United the most valuable sports club in the world. United say in their prospectus for the IPO that they expect the minimum price per share to be $16. If every share sold at that price, they would raise $306, 665, 872. However, they will incur expenses of $12 million in the IPO. So how much is United worth?

The Glazers bought United in 2005 for just under £800 million. In March, Forbes valued United at $2.24 billion. Depending on the share price after the IPO, however, the club could be valued at $3 billion, potentially even more. Forbes say this could add around $200 million to the worth of the Glazer family, currently around $2.7 billion.

When will this happen?

As early as next week. Friday, August 10 is when United shares could be on sale at the New York Stock Exchange.

Why New York?

The New York stock exchange permits a voting structure whereby some shares carry greater voting powers, of which more later. The London stock exchange does not.

This isn't the first time United have gone to the stock market, is it?

No. The club was on the stock exchange from 1990 until 2005 when the Glazers completed their buyout and took them off the market. Last year, United planned to list the club on the Singapore stock exchange to raise money before deciding against it during a time of stock market volatility.

But aren't stock markets still volatile, so isn't this still risky?

Yes, markets have a tendency to go up and down quickly and, given global economic turmoil, are likely to remain unstable for the foreseeable future. But United's IPO is a bond issue that been underwritten by Jeffries Co., Credit Suisse Securities, J.P. Morgan, BofA Merrill Lynch and Deutsche Bank Securities, so there is less risk attached than when other companies go public. Think of it as an executive insurance policy.

What about private investors? Is United a risky investment for them?

"Investing in our Class A ordinary shares involves a high degree of risk," United say in their IPO prospectus. There are several warnings to investors: of potential damage to the brand and that "our business is dependent upon our ability to attract and retain key personnel, including players." Key personnel obviously also include a manager in his 71st year, Sir Alex Ferguson, while United have lost crucial players - principally Cristiano Ronaldo - in the recent past and Wayne Rooney was unsettled in October 2010. United also say that: "We are dependent upon the performance and popularity of our first team." In particular, revenue from Europe is not guaranteed. In the 2010-11 year, 39.8% of their broadcasting revenue came from the Champions League. But they reached the final that year and last season, when they were eliminated in the group stages and dropped into the Europa League, will prove less lucrative. Fail to qualify for the Champions League at all and revenue would drop further. As United warn "European competitions cannot be relied upon as a source of income." Matchday revenue, which was £110.8 million for the 2010-11 season, is also expected to be lower for the 2011-12 campaign, when Old Trafford staged four fewer games.

However, the new Premier League television deal, worth £3 billion over three years for UK rights alone, will begin next year, so there is one guarantee of an increase in income. Citing a survey by Kantar Media, United say they have 659 million followers and that their games are watched by an average of 49 million people. They sell more than five million branded and licensed United products and their Facebook page has more than 26 million connections (in comparison, the New York Yankees' page has 5.9 million).

If United are on the stock market, will that make them more transparent?

Not really. United are registered in the Cayman Islands and are designated "an emerging growth company" under US federal securities law, which entails "reduced public company reporting requirements". Those reporting restrictions last five years.

Could fans who oppose the Glazers buy the shares and use them to get rid of the owners?

Not unless the Glazers sell a lot more shares, particularly ones with greater voting power. The Glazers are putting up 8,333,333 Class A shares. In addition, the underwriters have a 30-day option to buy a further 2,500,000 shares if there is a high demand. However, if they don't, there are still a further 39,685,700 Class A shares and 124,000,000 Class B shares in the hands of the Glazers - in other words, a vast majority of 90%. Plus Class A shares carry one vote per share and Class B shares 10 votes per share so, in terms of voting rights, the public investors will have 1.3% and the Red Football LLC - a holding company for the Glazers - 98.7%. In addition, United say "Our principal shareholder will have the ability to determine the outcome of all matters submitted to our shareholders for approval, including the election and removal of directors and any merger, consolidation, or sale of all or substantially all of our assets." So the Glazers do not just have the final say, they determine what the conversation is about.

Could it actually be harder to get rid of the Glazers?

Yes. "Anti-takeover provisions in our organizational documents and Cayman Islands law may discourage or prevent a change of control, even if an acquisition would be beneficial to our shareholders, which could depress the price of our shares and prevent attempts by our shareholders to replace or remove our current management," United state in the prospectus. This is a change in their constitution and, in addition, it allows the Glazers to issue more shares - which would dilute the holding of anyone else who buys them now.

So why buy shares?

Apart from those with an affiliation to United, the same reasons people buy shares in Apple, Facebook or any other company: because they believe it will appreciate in value and be a worthwhile investment in the short or long term.

But if United raise all this money, will their debt be reduced?

"We intend to use all of our net proceeds from this offering to reduce our indebtedness by... $116.8 million (£73.0 million)," United state.

That is what the fans want, isn't it? And what about the rest? Will Sir Alex Ferguson have a huge transfer kitty?

The fans want reduced debt, yes, partly because debt, and its repayments, is eating up United's profit (they have an adjusted EBITDA of £305.1 million for the last three financial years when full figures are available, but net finance costs of £277.1 million in the same time). But the Glazers had indicated they would use all the funds raised from a flotation to reduce the debt.

Now, however, the proceeds of the sales of 16,000,000 Class A shares have been reserved for an "equity incentive award plan". United said in the prospectus: "The principal purpose of the Equity Plan will be to attract, retain and motivate selected employees, consultants and non-employee directors through the granting of share-based and cash-based compensation awards."

How much is it worth? And does Ferguson gain?

Depending upon the share price, it could be worth up to $320m (£204m). No one is specified by either name or job title. However, it is a logical assumption that Ferguson and chief executive David Gill would be among the major beneficiaries.

What have United had to say about this?

"Under the regulations of the SEC [Securities and Exchange Commission], we are not permitted to disclose the contents of the document," a club spokesman told the Guardian.

What has Ferguson had to say about it?

Nothing in the last few days, but last month he said: "They [the Glazers] have always been as sensible as they can be in terms of financing the club. They have to invest in the team to maintain the value of their asset. I think there are a whole lot of factions at United that think they own the club. They will always be contentious about whoever owns the club and that's the way it has always been.

"When the Glazers took over here there was dissatisfaction, so there have always been pockets of supporters who have their views. But I think the majority of real fans will look at it realistically and say it's not affecting the team. We've won four championships since they've been there and one European Cup."

Why does Ferguson argue the Glazers have been good for United?

In terms of silverware, their seven-year ownership has been one of the most successful spells in the club's history with four Premier League titles and three Champions League finals, one of them ending in victory. Ferguson argues that hands-off owners give him the freedom to do his job as he wishes.

"I am comfortable with the Glazers. They have been great," he said last month. "They have always backed me whenever I have asked them. I have never faced any opposition."

And why do some supporters argue they have been bad for the club?

Principally because around £550 million has gone out of a previously debt-free club in the past seven years to service debt, pay interest and bank and loan fees.

What is their attitude towards Ferguson?

"We now know why Sir Alex was quite so in favour of the Glazer family," said Andy Green, the United supporter and football finance expert who runs the andersred blog, referring to the share scheme. "I think he is risking tarnishing some of his legacy, which is a great shame because he is the greatest manager probably in English football history. But his association with all this skullduggery is sad."

And what is their view of the IPO?

"It is barely going to scratch the surface of the debt," Green said. "It won't help at all. It is a wasted opportunity. They should have floated a larger element of the club. They should have given one vote per share and they should have let the fans take part. When you work through all the numbers, it will reduce the debt from around £425 to £350 million. It will save around £5 million a year in interest. That is barely enough to buy a new trainee for the academy."

Duncan Drasdo, chief executive of the Manchester United Supporters Trust, said: "There is now no doubt that this IPO is bad for Manchester United supporters, Manchester United Football Club and any investors gullible enough to pay the inflated price they've attached to inferior shares which have just 1/10 of the voting rights of the Glazers shares and no dividends. Their bare-faced cheek is almost unbelievable."

What do industry experts say?

"The valuation looks very overextended," said Josef Schuster of Chicago investment firm Ipox Schuster. Green also argued that the Glazers have overvalued the club. "It's an extraordinary valuation and I think they may well struggle," he told Sky News. "Most savvy investors will be wary of this offer."
 
The two quoted at the end of that piece are hardly worth listening to on matters relating to United's debt/business model/money matters these days. Everything they say is clouded with pro-MUST, Glazer out bias. £5million barely enough to buy a trainee for the academy? What trainee's does Andersred know that cost fecking £5million?
 
The only surprising thing that I see is that so many people thought bringing the debt down substantially would have any bearing on the investment or running of the club.

The owners, irrespective of debt, are going to spend as little as possible to keep us at the top. If tomorrow they paid off the debt entirely, they'd just replace the obscene financial costs with dividends. Whether the money is flowing out of the club directly to the Glazer's via dividends/bonuses, who then in turn pay off personal loans to banks, or whether it is done in the more tax-savvy way - directly to banks/investors is wholly irrelevant.

Only the most naive of fan would suddenly think they would loosen the purse strings as a result of clearing the debt.

I've scoured pages and pages of posts as I missed the 'new' news regarding the IPO. I'm quite frankly shocked at how naive some of our fans are though. finneh said exactly what I thought about all of this. At least we're paying of some of the debt. Besides, even if they cleared the debt they'd just find other ways of getting money from the club.
 
The two quoted at the end of that piece are hardly worth listening to on matters relating to United's debt/business model/money matters these days. Everything they say is clouded with pro-MUST, Glazer out bias. £5million barely enough to buy a trainee for the academy? What trainee's does Andersred know that cost fecking £5million?

Yep, and what he said in the paragraph above that:

"We now know why Sir Alex was quite so in favour of the Glazer family," said Andy Green, the United supporter and football finance expert who runs the andersred blog, referring to the share scheme. "I think he is risking tarnishing some of his legacy, which is a great shame because he is the greatest manager probably in English football history. But his association with all this skullduggery is sad."

Yeah, he's been saying he's had no problems with the Glazer family continuously for over 5 years now because of this IPO :rolleyes:

There is nothing unusual in what he may or may not be getting from the IPO yet some are treating it as the greatest betrayal ever.

When it comes to financial matters regarding the club it is hard to know who to listen to as some of those seemingly most 'in the know' have some sort of bias and agenda.
 
I don't know if this article has been posted before but it is interesting and it gives a lowdown on this whole IPO thing:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...rd-jolly:-manchester-united-ipo---q&a?cc=5901

There are some very weird statements in the article. Let's try some clarification.

The club (Manchester United plc) are selling 8,333,334 shares; The selling shareholder (the Glazers) are selling 8,333,333 shares. The club gets the proceeds from its sale, the Glazers get the proceeds from theirs. (That's about $150m each at $18 per share.) After the offering, there will be 39,685,700 A shares in existence -16,666,667 sold in the IPO, the rest for corporate use - and 124,000,000 B shares - that's the Glazers' holding. (The Glazers could potentially sell an extra 2,500,000 shares if there is excess demand, so that number of their B shares would be converted to A shares and sold.)

Using an employee stock bonus plan is good for the club - reduces the amount of cash that needs to be paid out as bonuses. In effect the Glazers pay most of the bonuses as the issue of shares to employees is costless to the club but results in the Glazers' ownership being diluted. (I'm having a real problem trying to figure out what the problem would be in SAF receiving shares as part of his compensation package going forwards.)

As an aside, for those who don't understand why the club aren't selling more shares and retiring more of the debt, the simple answer is that they can't. The bond covenants restrict the use of the proceeds from an equity offering to retiring a maximum of 35% of the bonds - until January 2013. Makes it quite likely that there could be a "follow-on offering" in six months or so allowing us to retire more of the debt. (Would also be consistent with the 23m unissued A shares held in the company.)
 
So the Glazers are using their own stock to reward employees, consultants and directors when they could be keeping it themselves, or giving out United PLC stock instead?

That would be downright generous!
 
So the Glazers are using their own stock to reward employees, consultants and directors when they could be keeping it themselves, or giving out United PLC stock instead?

That would be downright generous!

No - the stock used for employee bonuses would come from the unissued A shares held in the company. Their issue has no effect on the company but will dilute the Glazers' ownership a little.
 
Then I don't get why "In effect the Glazers pay most of the bonuses as the issue of shares to employees is costless to the club". Isn't the cost to the club the loss of these class A stocks, from the United PLC books where they would be listed as assets?

Excuse me if this question is dumb, I'm no economist.
 
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/163162.html?CMP=OTC-RSS


Glazers gearing up for Utd sale, expert says
Richard Jolly


A leading football finance expert has said that Manchester United are overvalued and believes that their forthcoming IPO will prove the prelude to the sale of the club.

United's owners, the Glazer family, will make 10% of shares available on the New York Stock Exchange next Friday and should raise at least $300 million, which would make the club's total value over $3 billion.

"If you look at the current exchange rate, you get about £2 billion. They were talking about £1.8 billion a year ago, which is way too high," said David Bick, chairman of Square1 consulting. "I just don't get the valuation. I don't get why major banks [as underwriters] have put their name behind it."

United plan to use some of the proceeds to repay around £75 million of their debts, which currently stand at £437 million. But Bick said: "It is barely 20% of the debt. It is the bare minimum. I think that this float is just the prelude to them getting a market price and selling the club."

Selling a limited amount of shares can produce a higher value, he explained. "It is easier to float 10% of the shares for an inflated price than half a company," he said.

With global financial markets experiencing difficult times and Britain in a double-dip recession, Bick questioned the motives and the timing of the Glazers. "The thing that doesn't make sense is doing it in these market conditions," he said. "You would be more inclined to wait for a year or two. The timing strikes me as odd particularly in market terms. They [the Glazers] may need the money."

While 10% of shares in the club are for sale, the Glazers will retain 98.7% of voting rights, because shares are split between Class A shares, which carry one vote per share and Class B shares, which have 10 votes per share.

It is a reason why the club is being floated in the United States, rather than the United Kingdom, and Bick said it would deter potential investors.

"You would never get it in London and I am kind of surprised they would have it in the US with A shares and B shares," he added. "Most London institutions would not touch that with a bargepole. I can't remember the last time there was some kind of double voting structure on the London market."
 
Then I don't get why "In effect the Glazers pay most of the bonuses as the issue of shares to employees is costless to the club". Isn't the cost to the club the loss of these class A stocks, from the United PLC books where they would be listed as assets?

Excuse me if this question is dumb, I'm no economist.

Unissued stock essentially doesn't exist except as a provision. It has no value and isn't an asset (in an accounting sense). Rather than being a cost to the club, stock issued as part of a compensation package can be thought of as being cash flow positive for the club (because it reduces the amount of cash that would have to be paid as compensation). When it's issued it is a liability (because it represents a claim on the company's assets).

To see how it affects the Glazers you need to think about their proportional share of ownership. After the IPO they will own 124,000,00 shares out of a total of (124,000,000 + 16,666,667). If 1,000,000 shares are issued as part of compensation packages, their ownership will be 124,000,000 shares out of (124,000,000 + 16,666,667 + 1,000,000). Their proportional ownership will have gone down.
 
Okay, that makes sense, thanks for taking the time to answer. I keep getting side tracked by the class A stock having 1/10th the voting rights, but that doesn't mean it represents a lesser portion of the company as stock, if I understand.

I thought someone suggested that half of the stock being sold was the class B stock the Glazers already have, so I thought they were only creating the 8m class A stock and the extra million for compensation. You're saying the Glazers are creating new class B stock as well and keeping all they already have?

So if we imagine that United is worth £1.8 billion, before this stock issue there are 124,000,000 shares, you divide the worth by the shares and get each one being worth £14.5 a share. After the other shares are issued there will be 141,666,667 shares, or £12.7 a share on average, with the class B stock worth a bit more than the class A, IIRC.

If you don't mind answering another question, can a company issue as much new stock as they want? Again I'm no economist but if I understand correctly issuing more stock drives down the price of the rest of the stock, something anyone with stock would dislike I would think.
 
But they have a reputation at risk, which is critical to access such funds!
Will they run that risk without doing a thorough assessment of the shares potential in relation to their own risk- and investment profile?

Credit crunch is a perfect example of the very same institutions getting things wrong. It is very difficult to gauge a football clubs future success and growth.
 
Those who point to our success on and off the pitch is hardly Glazers doing. They have have hardly been instrumental for United's continued success. It's been SAF who has kept us competitive despite very little net spend, and success on the pitch brings financial rewards. If they were such business geniuses how come their other ventures are not performing?

Please note I can understand owners taking money for personal use from their business. However, there's a limit whilst we are straddled with huge debts. The amount of money being taken from the club is the issue here. I'm sure the Glazers are not going to be keeping keeping 100 Million from this share issue in their bank accounts whilst United are in approximately £500 Million in debt, and paying interest. Most likely scenario is that money will be going to feed other ventures, or their present investments could be struggling. If that continues this will not be the last time United will have to bail them out.
 
If the debt is manageable, then why pay it off all at once?

If SAF was already getting a paycheck from the Glazers, what difference does getting paid now have?

If the IPO is successful, then doesn't that mean Red Knights and MUST were wrong about the value of the club and wrong about the size of the debt relative to the business?
 
Credit crunch is a perfect example of the very same institutions getting things wrong. It is very difficult to gauge a football clubs future success and growth.

It doesn't work that way, Sultan. Its a risk-return trade off. While I agree that investing in a sport club is a risky proposition, if the expected returns are commensurately high, it could attract alot of attention.
 
It doesn't work that way, Sultan. Its a risk-return trade off. While I agree that investing in a sport club is a risky proposition, if the expected returns are commensurately high, it could attract alot of attention.

I don't see much value in shares, IL. I don't anticipate investors receiving any dividends in the foreseeable future, and valuation has reached a limit where in my opinion capital growth may also not yield much for the investors. I hope I'm wrong, because if this fails it's a slippery slope ahead for the club.
 
I don't see much value in shares, IL. I don't anticipate investors receiving any dividends in the foreseeable future, and valuation has reached a limit where in my opinion capital growth may also not yield much for the investors. I hope I'm wrong, because if this fails it's a slippery ahead for the club.

Its like a self fulfilling prophesy. A 20% growth will give it a high valuation multiple. Fulfillment of that 20% growth will yield a commensurate growth in the share value to factor in another year of 20% growth and so on.

Its not that hard to believe that investors might feel that the growth potential is yet to be unleashed. I've seen companies trading at 80 times their earning multiple increase by 50% in a year.
 
Anyone else think the "equity incentive award plan" could potentially be used to do business with players and agents with new signigns or contract renewals.

Instead of spending millions on agent fees, signing on fees, wages. We give them a few millions worth of shares.
 
If the debt is manageable, then why pay it off all at once?

If SAF was already getting a paycheck from the Glazers, what difference does getting paid now have?

If the IPO is successful, then doesn't that mean Red Knights and MUST were wrong about the value of the club and wrong about the size of the debt relative to the business?

As someone pointed out earlier, the conditions on the bonds may mean that you cannot pay them off with sales of equity beyond a certain amount.

Seems strange, but its in the interests of bondholders to set conditions which maximise their profit and keep United paying off interest for as long as possible.
 
Anyone else think the "equity incentive award plan" could potentially be used to do business with players and agents with new signigns or contract renewals.

Instead of spending millions on agent fees, signing on fees, wages. We give them a few millions worth of shares.

Nope.

It only applies to employees and/or directors.

People really need to stop looking for weird conspiracies behind this scheme. It's completely ordinary and replicated at all sorts of different companies.
 
The underwritten bit is a puzzle to me. All we ever hear about these days is how difficult it is to raise capital. The "faceberg" fiasco is still fresh in everyone's mind and I've yet to read a single positive comment about the shares being issued in the IPO. Why would any bank underwrite this IPO if it's so widely assumed to be doomed to failure?

Pension funds etc and the super rich need somewhere to put their billions. And when even government bonds of economically developed Western nations are seen as risks then a consistently profitable football club with a large fanbase might not seem like so terrible an investment.
 
Pension funds etc and the super rich need somewhere to put their billions. And when even government bonds of economically developed Western nations are seen as risks then a consistently profitable football club with a large fanbase might not seem like so terrible an investment.

Good point. Greek bonds, anyone? :D (they're paying 25%)
 
Good point. Greek bonds, anyone? :D (they're paying 25%)

:lol:1Y Greek bond pays 122%. 10Y pays 26%

Pension funds etc and the super rich need somewhere to put their billions. And when even government bonds of economically developed Western nations are seen as risks then a consistently profitable football club with a large fanbase might not seem like so terrible an investment.

Your point is valid. But just wanted to point out that majority of pension funds place equities in a restricted list of investments or allow very small allocation with very strict risk guideline.
 
I've always wondered if people actually buy junk bonds like those? In the same way that horses with crazy long odds must still attract at least some bets? Or does the % return become meaningless above a certain point?

Institutional buyers? I think that would be rare unless its a distressed securities hedge fund. In this particular case of Greece, the yield includes what the market assumes will be the hair-cut the private investor will have to take in case they buy the bond. I think it was close to 60% the last time round. Non-hedge fund investors, I doubt, would be allowed to buy such bonds due to the high risk involved.

EDIT: Checked up. Volumes were negligible. No buyers
 
Institutional buyers? I think that would be rare unless its a distressed securities hedge fund. In this particular case of Greece, the yield includes what the market assumes will be the hair-cut the private investor will have to take in case they buy the bond. I think it was close to 60% the last time round. Non-hedge fund investors, I doubt, would be allowed to buy such bonds due to the high risk involved.

Octavian to the rescue :D
 
Okay, that makes sense, thanks for taking the time to answer. I keep getting side tracked by the class A stock having 1/10th the voting rights, but that doesn't mean it represents a lesser portion of the company as stock, if I understand.

I thought someone suggested that half of the stock being sold was the class B stock the Glazers already have, so I thought they were only creating the 8m class A stock and the extra million for compensation. You're saying the Glazers are creating new class B stock as well and keeping all they already have?

So if we imagine that United is worth £1.8 billion, before this stock issue there are 124,000,000 shares, you divide the worth by the shares and get each one being worth £14.5 a share. After the other shares are issued there will be 141,666,667 shares, or £12.7 a share on average, with the class B stock worth a bit more than the class A, IIRC.

If you don't mind answering another question, can a company issue as much new stock as they want? Again I'm no economist but if I understand correctly issuing more stock drives down the price of the rest of the stock, something anyone with stock would dislike I would think.

Sorry Goo, I went to bed.

The market price of a share represents the market's view of the value that share has as a claim on the company's assets. If new shares are issued at the market price, each new share sold adds an amount of cash to the company's assets that is equal to the market's valuation. Because you are adding that amount to the overall value of the company's assets as you sell the shares, the value of the already existing ("old") shares should not fall.

When new shares are issued as part of a compensation plan, the value of the "old" shares should fall a little because there will now be more shares with a claim on the same pool of assets. In reality the effect is likely to be too small to notice - just as reducing the amount of cash in the company by paying bonuses would be.

[Edit: Forgot to answer the bit about B shares being sold. B shares aren't themselves sold - they are converted to A shares (which are identical other than the voting rights) before being sold. So any share in the hands of a non-Glazer is automatically an A share.]
 
I'm trying to catch-up on the financial threads here so apolgises if this has been posted, but you can view the investor pitch "roadshow" presentation (around 35 minutes worth) held by the club:

http://www.retailroadshow.com/custom/mu/muroadshow.asp

I had a quick look at it, and it features numerous execs talking through a slideshow of the value of the business, some of them adding new bits of information such as the commercial director talking about some of the "partners" they haven't yet acquired (he mentions an energy supply partner, and mobile phone maker as examples). They also talk about the accounting of buying in new players, and they have decided to parrot an average figure over the last 15 years regarding transfer sums into the club, before stating that they expect expenditure in that area to exceed £40m this year. They also say that the academy nets them between £5-10m a year by selling players that don't make the first-team.

Not much (or indeed any that I can remember) reference to the debt and those repayments (please correct if I missed something), or talk about how unpopular the owners are with the direct customers. They do acknowledge that the weak year on the pitch last season will have an impact on numbers this year, but they give estimates for part of the revenue streams and then go on to refer to 2012 as a good "base year" because of the poor year on the pitch. Also no talk of Sir Alex retiring, but they do reference the sugar-daddies and their impact, but talk-up the intended effect of the FFPR on the market and how United are ideally suited to benefit there.
 
Yes, that's from the video presentation in the link I posted above your post - but I'd think it might well just be a round figure to put down for the presentation, rather than a estimate of our remaining business. Time will tell of course.
 
MUST calling for a boycott against United sponsors

The Manchester United Supporters Trust (MUST) has today (August 3rd) called for a worldwide boycott of Manchester United sponsors’ products, with support across the UK, Europe, Asia and the US.
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With members in over 100 countries and additional support from locally based fans groups in places such as India, Indonesia and USA MUST has instigated the initiative in response to the planned New York IPO.
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All the club’s sponsors are being targeted and a mailing programme based on the technology used in President Obama’s previous election campaign is being utilised.
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The Manchester United Supporters Trust has strongly opposed the Glazer family ownership which sees the club £430million in debt and has cost it a further £520million in fees and debt repayments.
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The planned IPO was initially intended to raise funds and to use all those proceeds to pay down some of the debt but in a u-turn the Glazer family now plan to take half the proceeds for themselves.
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The boycott strategy is intended to send a loud and clear message to the Glazer family and club sponsors that without the support and purchasing power of the fans - the global strength of the Manchester United brand doesn’t actually exist.
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It is hoped sponsors will put pressure on the Glazer family to reconsider their plans.
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It is also hoped the companies advising the Glazers on the IPO, and potential investors themselves will recognise that without the full support of fans going forward there are too many uncertainties in meeting the IPO prospectus’ claims on revenue streams.
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A spokesman for MUST commented.
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“Essentially the IPO is bad for investors, the club and the fans.”
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“The Glazer family sell the rights to our loyalty and devotion for the club to sponsors for many millions but then use that money to pay off their self imposed debt”.
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“It has to stop and we want the IPO shelved and a proper fan ownership model put in place – one share, one vote”.
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“Our actions are no different to the marketing tactics used by all the clubs sponsors anyway – we’re just executing it in another way. Their efforts are mostly about brand switching and ours are too – we’re just saying more overtly - don’t use those sponsors products – and the sample of fans we’ve spoken to around the world believe this is the right approach”.
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“Even without this approach, allowing the Glazer’s to continue running the club unchecked is bad news for sponsors. Less funds for the club (because of servicing current debt levels) means less investment in the team and that could impact on sponsors being associated with a winning, successful team. That would be like sponsors watching their own ROI diminish”.
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Manchester United Football Club sponsors include:
AON, DHL, BWIN, Casillero Del Diablo Wines, Hublot, Smirnoff, Mister Potato, Nike, Chevrolet, Singha Beer, Thomas Cook, Turkish Airlines, Epson, STC, PCCW Telecommunications, GlobalCom, Viva Kuwait, MTN, Airtel, Zong, Globul, TM Telecommunications, Viva Telecommunications, Turk Telekom, A.P. Honda, Airtel Africa, Beeline Telecommunications.
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There has been a surge in consumer power recently with shareholder revolts at Aviva, Barclays, Reckitt Benckiser and even marketing services group WPP.
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The clothing and retail brand Gap performed a u-turn on a proposed new corporate identity following a customer backlash and the US fast food chain Chick-fil-A is currently experiencing a consumer revolt.
 
Hatred against Glazer is obviously greater than the love for the club. They have thus lost focus on football, Manchester United and reason imo. It´s sad really,as many of our most dedicated fans are among this bunch.

Remember that the opposite of love is indifference, not hate. Why not try to live by this?
 
Speculation I know but another possible angle, apologies if covered elsewhere :

LINK : to the original article


A leading football finance expert claims Manchester United owners, the Glazer family, are readying a sale of the club.

David Bick, chairman of Square1 Consulting, believes the owners forthcoming IPO is simply the first stage in the sale of the club.

United's owners, the Glazer family, will make 10% of shares available on the New York Stock Exchange next Friday and should raise at least $300 million, which would make the club's total value over $3 billion.

Bick believes the club is overvalued, which he believes adds fuel to his assertion.

He said: "If you look at the current exchange rate, you get about £2 billion. They were talking about £1.8 billion a year ago, which is way too high.

"I just don't get the valuation. I don't get why major banks [as underwriters] have put their name behind it."

It is understood that United plan to use some of the proceeds to repay around £75 million of their debts, which currently stand at £437 million.

However, Bick said: "It is barely 20% of the debt. It is the bare minimum. I think that this float is just the prelude to them getting a market price and selling the club."

Selling a limited amount of shares can produce a higher value, he explained. "It is easier to float 10% of the shares for an inflated price than half a company," he said.

With global financial markets experiencing difficult times and Britain in a double-dip recession, Bick questioned the motives and the timing of the Glazers. "The thing that doesn't make sense is doing it in these market conditions," he said. "You would be more inclined to wait for a year or two. The timing strikes me as odd particularly in market terms. They [the Glazers] may need the money."

While 10% of shares in the club are for sale, the Glazers will retain 98.7% of voting rights, because shares are split between Class A shares, which carry one vote per share and Class B shares, which have 10 votes per share.

It is a reason why the club is being floated in the United States, rather than the United Kingdom, and Bick said it would deter potential investors.

"You would never get it in London and I am kind of surprised they would have it in the US with A shares and B shares," he added. "Most London institutions would not touch that with a bargepole. I can't remember the last time there was some kind of double voting structure on the London market."


Read more at http://www.click-manchester.com/spo...l-manchester-united.html?#K45dfzOc62GGwGJ3.99
 
This has brought out the worst in people from both sides of the fence, I wish the Glazers would just feck off. I wish people would stop thinking SAF is immune from being questioned. I wish people would stop thinking SAF criticising the owners would actually play out well (hint: the Glazers don't give a feck). I wish we'd buy a centre-midfielder too.
 
Hatred against Glazer is obviously greater than the love for the club. They have thus lost focus on football, Manchester United and reason imo. It´s sad really,as many of our most dedicated fans are among this bunch.

Remember that the opposite of love is indifference, not hate. Why not try to live by this?

fecking hell.

This isn't a power play at the library book club ffs.
 
If somebody stole your Girlfriend, would you go into competition with the man who stole your girlfriend and vow to get her back or would you smash your girlfriend's face to peices so he didn't want her anymore and you might be able to get her back.... even if she was completely damaged in every imaginable way?
 
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