I'm getting pissed on cider, playing snooker in my basement with the lads; what you up to tonight, man?
ALL issues relating to the bond issue and club finances
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I'm getting pissed on cider, playing snooker in my basement with the lads; what you up to tonight, man?
Lock in at the local....... also getting pissed.... have a good one!
And you, mate, happy new year and that.
A fitting post as we move into 2011. Happy New Year Ciderman.
Apart from the huge amount of debt we're still in and the vast amount of money that has left the club in interest payments of course.
Minor issues you overlooked.
I hope the New Year brings you joy and washes away your bitterness about Duncan Drasdo.
I also hope that next New Year you are out having a good time rather than posting on Red Cafe.
eace:Can you use your hotline to the ticket office to find out this season's occupancy rates?
Must have only been about 60,000 in the ground last night (despite 73,000+ tickets sold) and I'm getting depressed at the number of empty seats in the Stretty.
Ta in advance.
Can you use your hotline to the ticket office to find out this season's occupancy rates?
Must have only been about 60,000 in the ground last night (despite 73,000+ tickets sold) and I'm getting depressed at the number of empty seats in the Stretty.
Ta in advance.
It was Stoke ffs on a Tuesday 4 January evening after a load of Christmas expenditure by punters and what seems like umpteen matches over the Xmas period.So sold out - more or less and 60000 plus attending doesn't sound a bad deal
Unless you're MUST n Ralphie
Cheer up and have a Good un for 2011
Can you use your hotline to the ticket office to find out this season's occupancy rates?
Must have only been about 60,000 in the ground last night (despite 73,000+ tickets sold) and I'm getting depressed at the number of empty seats in the Stretty.
Ta in advance.
Always going to be people missing games over the Christmas and New Years period. I've missed the last two because I'm staying with my parents over the holidays. There's got to be a fair few like me either staying with or visiting relatives or old friends around this time of year. Attendance will pick up by the End of Jan and will be packed for the FA cup game.
Apart from the huge amount of debt we're still in and the vast amount of money that has left the club in interest payments of course.
Minor issues you overlooked.
But it's not effected the club anywhere near like how yourself and MUST promised us it eoyld, has it? Which is the main point of the matter; the effect of the financial model on the club.
The club is financially sound despite the debt; the Glazer model has worked.
ciderman i cant believe how much time you spend in these threads, posting long replies to everything and anything in support of the Glazers. A strange way to spend so much time. Have you nothing better to do?
GCHQ atleast gets paid for his work.
GCHQ atleast gets paid for his work.
Call it a hobby. I enjoy the mental exercise and I think I'm doing my bit to help the club too so it's a win/win situation for me really. I post a lot when I'm machine-sitting in the factory too, so it'd be fair to say I also get paid to do this. I'm not always on the caf, however it might seem to you.
don't let the moaners put you off Cider - the more they whinge the better I like it - have a great 2011
I'm getting depressed at the number of empty seats in the Stretty.
I also do not like to see empty seats around the ground, but if people choose to buy a ticket and dont attend then what can be done about that?
time to get depressed is with spaces due to unsold tickets
Could resell them to other supporters, if only they weren't so so darned expensive (£47.10 for the cheapest seats, £75.70 for North / South Upper
).Nothing, especially with the amount of cold/flu viruses going round at the moment. Bound to be a fair number of empty seats.
I think I've come up with the perfect solution to the ticket price problem. United offer a service where they buy tickets back for just under the 2005 prices and resell them for the 2005 prices to anyone who isn't using their tickets. This way they make a little bit of profit out of unused tickets, the ground should theoretically always be full and no-one can bitch about high ticket prices because most games will be available at the old prices.
Could resell them to other supporters, if only they weren't so so darned expensive (£47.10 for the cheapest seats, £75.70 for North / South Upper
How does that stop people from selling them?
Then season ticket holders who want to attend will be screwed over because they have to pay higher prices than everyone else.
No because the season ticket holders will be happy to pay more to ensure that they get all the big games that will be sold out regardless and not available for the cheaper price (e.g. there is never empty seats against Chelsea so no-one would get this for a cheaper price).
The people who can't afford the new prices would benefit from being able to watch games for the 2005 prices (the lower games) and the people who can't go to some of the lower games will be happy as they don't get shafted for missing a game (because they'd be guaranteed a rebate for 75%~ of the cost).
Win-win.
You want me to explain how a prohibitively high price might stop somebody from selling something?
Could resell them to other supporters, if only they weren't so so darned expensive (£47.10 for the cheapest seats, £75.70 for North / South Upper
where have you made those prices up from?!
Ticket price + Glazer tax on Viagogo I assume.
You want me to explain how a prohibitively high price might stop somebody from selling something?
Are they not allowed to sell tickets below face value?
Nobody's going to be happy paying £50 to watch a match against a shit team in the League Cup when the fella next to them is paying £30, and isn't a season ticket holder, or paying £20 not to attend the game. Of course, that's just my view, but if you ask season ticket holders I'm very confident they wouldn't be happy with it.
If he wasn't happy he could sell it for £30, otherwise he could shut up and watch fecking the game.
With a few tweaks that could be workable, maybe it's something for MUST...
No, it's illegal actually.
The ST holders don't get all that money, of course, they just get face value.
Oh dear Cider, you do make a fool out of yourself sometimes don't you?
Does this look like a bargain to you?
Please show me somewhere a season ticket holder can legally sell their ticket for less.
Yeah sorry, man, I forgot my dad making me go through Viagogo everytime he let me borrow his season ticket
Yeah sorry, man, I forgot my dad making me go through Viagogo everytime he let me borrow his season ticket
Good point, I certainly made those figures up.
Clearly not everybody has a relative who can make it to the match, or there wouldn't be empty sold seats.
Calm down, A1Dan, it's not the end of the world. Jesus fecking Christ you lot will moan about bloody anything.
If you've bought a season ticket; go to the match. If you can't go to the match; sell it to someone who can. If you don't know anyone who can go to the match; try to sell it on Viagogo. feck
It's an outrage!!!!!!!!!
So the season ticket holder would prefer to sit next to an empty seat than another United fan who got a "lower level" game slightly cheaper than him? I don't buy it (not to mention that some people are giving tickets away for free at present and no-one is pissed off at them). I think everyone would be happy seeing Old Trafford full every game. The system could even be tweaked so that if not all seats were sold (at 2005 prices) they could give them away to charitable groups etc; a PR winner.
Plus the season ticket holders would always have the option of not buying the season ticket and only going to the games that aren't sold out. I imagine however that most people buy a season ticket predominantly to ensure they can go to every match they want to go to (to eliminate the "risk" of buying tickets individually).
Do you know what happens in most businesses for bulk buying (a la a season ticket)?
They pay a slightly reduced fee, why should the opposite be the case for football, what people do when they have there ticket is there responsibilty, weather it be selling it for a greater price or giving it away for free.
Also this season lots of schools have attended midweek games.
But you can't compare it to bulk buying because you are buying a different commodity every week in a "pack". Season tickets are currently at the supply roughly meets demand point, but if you broke each separate ticket down to supply and demand you are actually paying 5 or 10x more for a Chelsea game vs a Blackpool game.
Therefore only an idiot would think "my season ticket cost £500 for 20 games, that's £25 per game, he only paid £15 for this Stoke game so I'm out of pocket £10" *. Mainly because the person who got the stoke game for £15 could and would never get the Chelsea game for that price.
*prices only for demonstration purposes.
An ST is different from bulk buying standard goods in that you're paying for the knowledge that you're guaranteed a seat for the most highly sought after games, games that anyone without a ST would really struggle to get tickets to. Payment and reward... it works.
Yeah, imagine being concerned about the fact that the leagalised touting site charges a minimum of £50 for a ticket. Haven't we got anything better to do?
When you've finished with the prozac, can I have some? Your sunny, worry free life sounds great.
Whatever. You lot are really running out of things to complain about.
"Us lot"?
Pretty much everybody on here and everybody I know has agreed that Viagogo is a disgusting rip off since the day it launched (that said it's actually got a lot worse over the years).
You are one of only 2 or 3 people who is so obsessed with refuting any percieved criticism of the business side of the club that you would actually disimiss complaints about Viagogo.
Is there anything the club could do commercially that you would criticise? Or would it not suit the internet persona you've created for yourself?
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