Alisson Becker

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I can’t speak for all fans but I’ve already seen some Liverpool fans on FB saying he was better than De Gea last season based on some silly whoscored rating.

Obviously De Gea is far better.
I am not going to argue the point as I haven't seen enough of him but there's a lot of united fans who watch a lot of Roma games to make these pronouncements.

Not that I expect him to be better, just don't get where people get their knowledge from.
 
I am not going to argue the point as I haven't seen enough of him but there's a lot of united fans who watch a lot of Roma games to make these pronouncements.

Not that I expect him to be better, just don't get where people get their knowledge from.

The only Roma games I watched were in the CL and he didn’t look like the best in the world - which he would need to be if he’s better than De Gea.

Personally I know how good De Gea is and until Allison does it week in week out in the PL, then saying he’s better or worse doesn’t hold much substance. I’ve read he isn’t great under a high ball which is always great to view when joining the PL.

Also he didn’t look anything special in the World Cup, but that’s international football so it’s not a direct gauge and I won’t use that to judge him.
 
The only Roma games I watched were in the CL and he didn’t look like the best in the world - which he would need to be if he’s better than De Gea.

Personally I know how good De Gea is and until Allison does it week in week out in the PL, then saying he’s better or worse doesn’t hold much substance. I’ve read he isn’t great under a high ball which is always great to view when joining the PL.

Also he didn’t look anything special in the World Cup, but that’s international football so it’s not a direct gauge and I won’t use that to judge him.
By that same token if someone had only watched DDG in the World Cup they wouldn't think he’s anything special.

Alisson is a class above Ederson for me, and Ederson was a top 3 keeper in the prem last season.
 
Now with that money Roma will buy someone big on the attack (and probably will replace Alisson with Areola)
 
By that same token if someone had only watched DDG in the World Cup they wouldn't think he’s anything special.

Alisson is a class above Ederson for me, and Ederson was a top 3 keeper in the prem last season.

Seems like you didn’t read my last sentence.

Difference is, De Gea has been top class for say 3/4 years. Alisson has one good season and is being bought for £67m.
 
Everyone is an expert on this keeper now.

I love this board. You're all absolute mogs. I love it.
 
They're not. They watch Alisson every game and almost nothing of de gea. De Gea is highly rated in england and among people who follow the PL. I could mention that Oblak has been by far the best goalkeeper in the world in the last 3 seasons. Here, you'll call me crazy. In Spain, pretty much everyone would agree with me

If you asked the average italian who's better between alisson and De Gea, 8 out of 10 would say alisson. People who haven't seen enough of de gea to rate him
I don’t rate Alisson higher than De Gea, but I do agree that De Gea is a bit overrated in England because he gets more exposure compared to someone like Oblak.
 
It's going to be interesting next season for sure. So many so called top dogs playing in goal.

Lloris - Alisson - De Gea - Ederson.
If Courtois would not leave 4/6 highest rated in EPL.

Interesting to see who claims the golden glove...
 
It's going to be interesting next season for sure. So many so called top dogs playing in goal.

Lloris - Alisson - De Gea - Ederson.
If Courtois would not leave 4/6 highest rated in EPL.

Interesting to see who claims the golden glove...

I think Leno will also surprise a few with how good he is... plus Pickford potentially if he continues his world cup form... And even courtois goes I'm sure chelsea will spunk a ton of cash on a replacement (oblak?)

Some top keepers!
 
Great, sounds like it's sorted then. Wouldn't mind seeing the back of both Karius and Mignolet know and promote Ward to second GK.

Imagine going from living in Rome to living in Liverpool though, poor lad.
 
Fortune of cash for a keeper. Always question marks around players coming from other leagues - especially keepers where the league styles can be very different.

Having said that, Liverpool have definitely shown they’re willing to mix it with the big boys now when it comes to transfers. With both Salah and firminho recently signing new contracts, they look like a solid squad now.
 
I don’t rate Alisson higher than De Gea, but I do agree that De Gea is a bit overrated in England because he gets more exposure compared to someone like Oblak.
I never argued that though
 
I think Salah, Naby Keita, Shaqiri, Fabinho, Mane, etc were cheaper than 50m. IMO Liverpool have spend Coutinho's money wisely to balance their team.

I hope they don't sign Allison because he is the best GK in the Italian league.


You missed Andy Robertson of that list. Altough a quick search shows Keita was 54 and only Virgil was the only other player above 50.
Don't know what this is in response to in particular, but a large amount of the criticism I've seen regarding Liverpool's spending has been specifically aimed at Klopp for being hypocritical. He made a big point to say that he wanted to do things differently than the managers that spent large amounts on individuals, clarifying that he wouldn't do it even if he could. Yet here we are, with him having already made Van Dijk the most expensive defender ever, on the verge of him making Alisson the most expensive goalkeeper ever. It's all well and good bringing up net spend but that's not what people are criticising.

I think most United fans are actually a bit fearful of the squad you're putting together now. You've spent a decade plus going for the bargain option and it's barely ever, if at all, worked out, and your squad has constantly been left with gaping holes and a severe lack of strength in depth. Bit by bit you're adding that much needed quality, addressing longstanding issues, and finally beginning to add some strength outside of your starting line-up. It just happens that you've done this while spending a shit ton of money on individuals just a year or two removed from your manager saying he categorically would not do that. The final piece for Liverpool is to now keep hold of their best performers.


Great post .

I dont know a lot about Klopps comment or when he said but it would be interesting to know this for me. Maybe he pressed a few buttons or maybe made these comments before the Coutinhio money but I really don't give a shit . I seen on here last week in the Liverpool thread about us not prioritising a new keeper . We gets one so some of you still get on one. Iam not sure of what we have spent but ins and outs and net spend surely comes into it . I have five spuds that I bought for a quid each so then I sell two spuds and buy another three. Also , I would like to know the average spend of teams since Klopp has been here. Surely the likes of Shaqiri , Robertson ( legend already in our eyes and you'd fecking love him at United and cost only 8 million , Solanke I do believe was a bargain but I don't know a lot about him being honest.

And your second paragraph is spot on mate .
 


That's £53m + £9m add-ons. If all add-ons would be realized, it'd be £62m or €69,5m.
 


That's £53m + £9m add-ons. If all add-ons would be realized, it'd be £62m or €69,5m.


The number is right in the tweet you posted, somehow if all the addons are met it will be €69,5m when the number in tweet says €73m

It's 56 million pounds btw.
 
The number is right in the tweet you posted, somehow if all the addons are met it will be €69,5m when the number in tweet says €73m

It's 56 million pounds btw.
You're right, I just used the first "euros to pound" link via Google but wasn't really reliable it seems :lol:
 
Looking at his youtube videos, which I know are not a full reflection of the player, I have to say that his shot stopping ability is not great. He has great reflexes, no doubt, but there were a few double saves which only came because he wasn't about to either hold the ball or he parried the ball back into danger, if the opposition scored from the second shot you would consider them errors by the keeper. He also seems to play from the back a lot and there were situations where he took a long time on the ball and nearly lost it to the opposition.

Alisson did not have a great reputation before last season and therefore is riding more on his previous season. I think it would be more sensible to spend a world record fee on a keeper with more than 1 year of great performances, Oblak would seem the better choice. Overall, seems a very high risk signing and there still a lot left to determine regarding whether he is truly world class.

I admit my ignorance regarding him though as I have only seem him through youtube and the UCL matches v Liverpool.
 


That's £53m + £9m add-ons. If all add-ons would be realized, it'd be £62m or €69,5m.


It's a good fee tbh. Sorts out a problem area long term in a position where top quality is rare.
 
Looking at his youtube videos, which I know are not a full reflection of the player, I have to say that his shot stopping ability is not great. He has great reflexes, no doubt, but there were a few double saves which only came because he wasn't about to either hold the ball or he parried the ball back into danger, if the opposition scored from the second shot you would consider them errors by the keeper. He also seems to play from the back a lot and there were situations where he took a long time on the ball and nearly lost it to the opposition.

Alisson did not have a great reputation before last season and therefore is riding more on his previous season. I think it would be more sensible to spend a world record fee on a keeper with more than 1 year of great performances, Oblak would seem the better choice. Overall, seems a very high risk signing and there still a lot left to determine regarding whether he is truly world class.

I admit my ignorance regarding him though as I have only seem him through youtube and the UCL matches v Liverpool.
Seems more like a technical issue rather than a shot stopping one.
 
He looked pretty ropey in the World Cup. To me he doesn't look like a keeper who is going to command his box and his defence. I can see quite a few howlers from him this season.
 
I think Ederson should be Brazil's number 1 but lets see how he gets on in the Prem. Seems an awful lot to spend on a keeper. Liverpool are really spending shit loads so would be funny if these big signings flop.
 
Everyone is spending and their teams are getting better.

73 million for a goalkeeper is pretty steep but Liverpool are hoping that he will solve one of their greatest problematic positions.

What are we doing about ours?!!
ZILCH
 
After watching him at the World Cup and Roma last season I think he's an average keeper, nothing special or spectacular which makes the price a bit steep. If he weren't Brazil's goalkeeper no one would rave about him but much like Dida or Taffarell he gets overrated because of it. Not in the same class as Oblak, de Gea, Neuer, ter Stegen or Courtois. But for Liverpool definitely an upgrade over perpetually concussed Karius, they have spent the Coutinho money wisely to plug their weaknesses despite overpaying a bit for the likes of Alisson, van Dijk or Keita.
 
Don't know where to post this, but his back up in NT (apart from Ederson), Cassio made incredible save tonight for Brazilian league

https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOAcToAGVA

Cassio is a giant and makes amazing saves under the goal, but he's the clumsiest keeper I have ever seen in the air, and in my opinion that's why he was never involved in serious business with any European team.

I think Ederson should be Brazil's number 1 but lets see how he gets on in the Prem. Seems an awful lot to spend on a keeper. Liverpool are really spending shit loads so would be funny if these big signings flop.

I always thought of Alisson as a good keeper, but not top tier. I don't think he will compromise Liverpool too much but I also don't believe they should spend a fortune on him, because for that price they should be after world class.
 
This notion that Liverpool have improved their squad depth is a bit of a fallacy. They’ve improved their starting XI, but beyond that, there is still nothing except Shaqiri.

Alisson replaces a keeper.
Fabinho and Keita replace Can, who has left, and Ox who is out for the season.
Shaqiri is in. But Ings will be out.
 


This notion that Liverpool have improved their squad depth is a bit of a fallacy. They’ve improved their starting XI, but beyond that, there is still nothing except Shaqiri.

Alisson replaces a keeper.
Fabinho and Keita replace Can, who has left, and Ox who is out for the season.
Shaqiri is in. But Ings will be out.
What about players like Milner, Henderson and Wijnaldum who we relied on a lot last season?
 
This notion that Liverpool have improved their squad depth is a bit of a fallacy. They’ve improved their starting XI, but beyond that, there is still nothing except Shaqiri.

Alisson replaces a keeper.
Fabinho and Keita replace Can, who has left, and Ox who is out for the season.
Shaqiri is in. But Ings will be out.
Can didn't feature much since his head was in Torino already so even with Ox out they'll have one more body in the middle of the park with new additions, overall however I agree with you - they definitely improved first team quality though.
 
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