We could have used him against Burnley ffs. Raiola needs punched in his moobs.
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Why didn’t they factor in the wages and agent fees when city bought a full back for 50 million, or when Liverpool bought a defender for 75 million. Is this a new thing? It’s starting to really irritate me now. We’re not paying a transfer fee so where’s the 35m coming from? We’re getting rid of a player we don’t want and also taking his wages of our books. There was none of this uproar when the media thought he was gonna go to city.
Guess most here arent familiar with a bunch from filthyfellas youtube channel.
The smell is probably the thing I dislike most about it.
Even Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
Your counterargument just needs to be that the £180m number is total nonsense...
YOU DISLIKE THE SMELL OF BACON?!!!!
Yes you can. But asking him to prove his calculations. The fact is he can't.
I've just been sent this video on a group's whatsapp. I'm trying to explain that more reputable sources closer to United and Arsenal have been reporting more realistic figures whereas Simon Stone is just quoting the figures (£180m) in the Mirror article. Can someone break down what the more realistic figures that the likes of Di Marizio and others have reported?
Good point on the wages. The net difference between Mkhitaryan and Sanchez's wages has to be, hype aside, around £175k a week. If you think that we're swapping a player we don't want or use and replacing him with one of the top players in the division plus not having to pay a transfer fee, it's a f***ing brilliant deal.
Haha, believe you me, I want to call him worse. He’s just going off of that article written by Matt Law. That’s the thing, everyone will just believe the absurd figures in the press. Journalists really should be vetted.
Not a chance. No point in even hoping imo. Tomorrow maybe, if we're super lucky, but I think it's going to happen early next week.
We need to send someone who lives in London over to Alexis' house and track his every movement.
Embargoed part of the PC should be out soon. Maybe some details by jose will be given there.
No chance we get anything official tonight, it would have leaked and it would be all over twitter that everything has been signed etc. and we're just waiting for the announcement from the club.
Tomorrow.....hopefully.
Tomorrow.....hopefully.
Tell him he is a crap accountant and if he does not shut the feck up you will share his texts with other accountants and his bosses so they can see what a shit accountant he is.Even Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
Yeah, it's not very nice IMO.Hahahah, I like it.
But he’s hell bent on believing that we’re paying Sanchez £515k a week! I think I just need to give up.
Do you find yourself having to correct your own supporters when speaking about this transfer?
I overheard a few city and united fans in work last night discussing it and they were all convinced he was getting paid the 500k a week
You're a strange man
We have resorted to talking about bacon now? This thread has reached its lowest point.
Also I think I've missed where this snapping jaws joke has come from. Can someone point me in the right direction.
It’s a brilliant bit of business and should be reported as that.
Have we got the articles where it’s been written that Sanchez will not be getting paid the £500k per week? Wasn’t a journalist saying it’s about £270pw then some image rights will be added?
Sorry mate. You can't counter that. Their clubs don't pay tax, wage and agent fee at all. Even the transfer fee they paid probably is tax refundableEven Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
Without looking at our accounts I would suggest he’s talking shit. We just posted record operating profits for a start. So our P&L’s clearly fine. As for the balance sheet, 10 years ago when we were heavily leveraged that might have been the case. AFAIK the debt liability is down to manageable levels now, so I don’t see a problemEven Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
Quickly u have to set real cost:Even Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
Transfer fee: swap for Mkhitaryan who was 27m but 1/4 of that is already amortizated so it's 18,75m and not 30m which is reported.
Salary: most reputable sources reported 350k per week which is 74,05m in 4 years.
Sign on fee and agent fees are not known.
Then doing a math:
So in reality this deal is worth 91,8m amortizated over 4 years which is 22,95m per year. And u have to calculate Mkhitaryan wages which we will no longer have to pay which are 150k per week which is 7,83m per year so our yearly expenses over next 4 years will be bigger by 15,12m per year because of this deal.
To show how small investment that is for a club with our incomes u can point out our expenses over whole 4 years will increase by nearly 15m pounds less than what they payed for VVD (only transfer fee of course) and that is without including VVD wages, his sign on fees, agent fees etc.
Those are figures which our finance guys will see and the figures your friend would see if he would be a good finance guy.
But those figures are nothing spectacular and are not interesting so because of that journalists report it completely different way.
Hope i helped.
Edit : forgot that a contract will be for 4 and a half years (calculated 4 years) so salaries are 9,26m bigger (half a year) but amortization cost per year is then even smaller...
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If we pay 350k for 4.5 years that's 82m.
If we assume 20m signing fee and 20m agent fee (very generous) thats still just 120m
If we assume 20m signing fee and 20m agent fee (very generous) thats still just 120m
Graziano Pelle is getting paid £350k per week ffs. Considering that, I m happy with what we are paying Sanchez.
I must admit that I don't care what crap they print. I'm not bothered who believes them either. I know for a fact that Woody is not going to destroy this club for 1 player no matter how good he is.
That puts it in perspective, along with Tevez having a holiday in China when he was apparently too fat to play and on £600k a week.
That's sacrilege.
Griezmann would have cost more in total. By far I imagine.
Assuming it was one or the other that is...
I think it was a new concept invented when it started looking like United exchanging Mkhi (equivalent to around £20m) meant we were getting a bargain for Sanchez. This wasn't acceptable so signing on fees, agent fees, wages over the entire contract, VAT, employers national insurance and pension contributions had to be added on.
Sports Witness seem to be the only people to come out of this media fiasco with any sort of credibility.
It's been an absolute fecking circus. I haven't seen anything quite like it. We've done a great bit of business here. We've exchanged one of our underperforming players for one of our rivals' best player.
He's still got a few years in him and is truly a world class footballer. Any other club doing this, exchanging one of there underperforming players for a world class one from their rivals, would be seen as a coup. I don't quite know what the feck happened with this one. I get that there's always a certain agenda against United because they generate clicks, but to be this openly hostile and almost antagonistic is so bizarre.
This Man City propaganda machine has reached new heights with this.
It's been an absolute fecking circus. I haven't seen anything quite like it. We've done a great bit of business here. We've exchanged one of our underperforming players for one of our rivals' best player.
He's still got a few years in him and is truly a world class footballer. Any other club doing this, exchanging one of there underperforming players for a world class one from their rivals, would be seen as a coup. I don't quite know what the feck happened with this one. I get that there's always a certain agenda against United because they generate clicks, but to be this openly hostile and almost antagonistic is so bizarre.
This Man City propaganda machine has reached new heights with this.
Raiola''s demands are confusing Arsenal.
Apparently he want one Maverick bar to seal the deal.
Apparently he want one Maverick bar to seal the deal.
Even Liverpool fans have begun to text me and say the finance guys at United should get the sack.
He’s saying our clubs balance sheet is a mess. He’s an accountant. He’s reading and believing the £180m package for Sanchez and saying we’re ruining football. Can any of the finance boys on here help me out with some counter arguments?!
He's a shitty accountant.
500k for 4.5 years = 118m
transfer fee = 30m
signing on fee = 20m
agent fee = 10m
that's their maths for the 180m. Even if we'd pay him 500k per week (which we surely aren't, I think di Marzio mentioned 350k which seems more realistic), they completely ignore the fact that there's no transfer fee because of the Mkhitaryan swap and that Mikhis wages also come off the books. Just clickbait BS, and most it seems to be based on that Mirror article. I expected that crap from most journalists, but I at least thought Stone would be better. Oh well, they can't all be Orny.
5 Live rightly cussing Keown and Ashton for the "mercenary" and "sacrificed his morals" comments.
There is sanity out there.
There is sanity out there.
The 500k a week the journalists are mentioning is his Base salary plus signing on fee. They're just being dumb and clickbaity by pretending it's that plus a signing on fee
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