Jesus Christ some people are trying to say he’s actually had a decent game against Leicester? He barely looked like he knew how to play football. If your standards are that low we should still have Moyes
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Rooney's last season is proof of this, ditto his last season with us.
IF the salary being discussed is anything like correct then I truly believe that's what has changed things at the club, wages like that are for truly elite players, Sanchez was once a good player, but then again so was Bobby Charlton.
How on earth is an arbitrary stat in any way more significant? And he got an assist for taking a speculative snapshot which was blocked and then instinctively and completely unnecessarily hand-balled did he not? A piece of nonsense.
Attacking players are judged by goals and assists. The first thing when evaluating a player would be the amount of Goals and Assists contributed. The chances he created for Lukaku and Mata were genuine goal scoring one so that is no nonsense.
It's really Wierd why some out of nowhere are getting that aggressive on the slightest suggestion that he wasn't as crap as people labelled him to be. 
He just had a mixed bag game, a 6/10 or something. Chill out lads.
He just had a mixed bag game, a 6/10 or something. Chill out lads.
Attacking players will be judged on their goals and assists no doubt, but never exclusively. Evaluating a player just by looking at their goals and assists is laughable. Being credited with an assist for the penalty is (or would have been, if he wasn’t) a nonsense. Is it impossible for one attacker to have a better game than another when the later has scored or assisted and the former has not? Of course it’s not.
Internet fans judge attacking players by their numbers.
Managers judge them by their overall contribution.
Iniesta had shit numbers for much of his career. The only imortant statistic is how many goals the team scores thanks to the presence of its individuals.
It's better to have an individual attacker who scores 10 goals himself but facilitates 70 team goals, rather than one who scores 20 individual goals but facilitates only 40 team goals. Of course, it's difficult to argue the point on an online forum. But that's where we are.
Sanchez forces the issue against every opposition team. He doesn't wait to be invited to attack and he doesn't hesitate to drive forward. Despite his relative lack of goals, he's been a breath of fresh air for United. The most cavalier forward we've had in years.
Managers judge them by their overall contribution.
Iniesta had shit numbers for much of his career. The only imortant statistic is how many goals the team scores thanks to the presence of its individuals.
It's better to have an individual attacker who scores 10 goals himself but facilitates 70 team goals, rather than one who scores 20 individual goals but facilitates only 40 team goals. Of course, it's difficult to argue the point on an online forum. But that's where we are.
Sanchez forces the issue against every opposition team. He doesn't wait to be invited to attack and he doesn't hesitate to drive forward. Despite his relative lack of goals, he's been a breath of fresh air for United. The most cavalier forward we've had in years.
Exactly how I feel about him too!
Ofcourse starts aren't everything. Sanchez is under pressure to perform and he'd like his assist tally to show up as 2 instead of 0. First game of the season and it would've boosted his confidence. Also he wasn't awarded the assist for penalty if you're wondering.
If he has another poor season, we must flog him to the States or China. We can't afford to pay astronomical wages to players who are stealing a life like Rooney did.
Do you believe we bought Sanchez to be a ‘presence on the pitch’? He’s a goal scoring forward with creative flair, and that’s why we bought him - to score and create. At the moment, he’s just frustrating. He keeps giving the ball away and dawdling in possession. Not what we need for the wide positions at all, especially considering we don’t exactly have a hugely prolific goal scorer in Lukaku yet.
Pressing the opposition and having a bit of fight really isn’t enough. Tevez for example had a tonne of goals in him too, Chicarito too. Sanchez doesn’t at the moment.
It would have had no effect on his confidence at all - that will have only been boosted or knocked by what he himself did on the pitch. And since Lukaku scoring or not scoring that chance doesn’t change what Sanchez contributed to that passage of play, the lift he would have got from his part in that sequence wouldn’t have been different had the desired outcome been achieved.
I can only assume that by cavalier you mean runs around a lot and chases after the ball. Rooney used to do the same after his talent had declined.Last season he was so far below the standard of player he was 3 years ago it was embarrassing that we were paying him so much.
It was only one game but we desperately need to see some positive signs, the effort is still there the influence and quality is missing.
Needs to be better. We can't keep waiting for him to settle, has to start doing more than turnovers and running like a headless chicken.
Nicely put.
A fair point. but we've only scored 3+ goals in a game three times since Sanchez joined, and failed to score at all in seven! Before he joined last season, we scored 3+ goals nine times, and failed to score only four times.
We were a better team going forward without him. He's on the team on reputation more than anything. I hope he comes good, but if not we have other players who should replace him.
You can imagine the discussions that were had with the board to agree to smash the wage structure to bring him in. The promises that were made that we were signing a world class player, the missing piece of the jigsaw and then for him to under perform.
It is no wonder that Jose's summer signings were scrutinised so closely and a DOF required for me after this
It is no wonder that Jose's summer signings were scrutinised so closely and a DOF required for me after this
You’d expect that from a Welbeck & Park Ji sung. Not our highest earner and key attacking player. His not playing a support role like Benzema to facilitate a great attacker.. His meant to be our biggest attacking output that was very clear when we signed him.
We shouldn’t be excusing and masking poor performances. It’s sad how low are expectations of players have become the last few years. Are team isn’t even scoring more goals or playing better with him in the team so that comparison to Iniesta is strange.
We would still have to compensate him and I doubt he would go to china
The argument reminds me of a time when we won almost all games with Anderson present in midfield, and lost a host of points when he wasn’t there. Used to conclude that he was one of our most important players.
United scored more goals the first half of the season than the last half, and looking at the reasons for that, it does not seem to have much to do with the presence of Sanchez.
Certainly he is struggling to make it flow, not playing better or worse than the other attacking options in the period he’s been here. This season, I expect him to step up and be one of our two best attacking players. If not, I’ll be disappointed. Which can happen.
We should have approched Madrid for a swap. They need a LW. We have a LW. We need a number 10. Perfect Sanchez for Isco. Who is with me?
Sanchez looked like a very talented but raw youngster vs LC. You can clearly see he's still got the talent but his decision making was horrible. He's take down a ball with a beautiful touch, beat his man then miss place a 5 yard pass. It's shocking for someone as good as he is (was?).
I remember an Arsenal fan posted that he'll be wonderful for United but he'll frustrate the shit out of our fans with his sloppy passing and trying passes that are never on thus losing the ball. Maybe this was what he was taking about? Mind you he could've had 2 assists which would've masked his poor game.
I remember an Arsenal fan posted that he'll be wonderful for United but he'll frustrate the shit out of our fans with his sloppy passing and trying passes that are never on thus losing the ball. Maybe this was what he was taking about? Mind you he could've had 2 assists which would've masked his poor game.
He had a bad last three or four months of the season. Its not easy coming to a new club and settling in when the team were playing like we were, but now the lad has had a full pres season and has done well.
We should expect at least 15 goals from him this season on the Premier League.
We should expect at least 15 goals from him this season on the Premier League.
Good post, in my view we can criticise City all we want but the reality IS that City are paying people based on actual form, they are finding the game/business of football is far easier to play when you're at the top. They have walked away from a number of deals based on either salary or transfer, whilst we pay through the nose, for yesterday's players.
350 would have been excessive, but 500k per week is an absolute joke.
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It's really Wierd why some out of nowhere are getting that aggressive on the slightest suggestion that he wasn't as crap as people labelled him to be.
He just had a mixed bag game, a 6/10 or something. Chill out lads.
I think he is heavily scrutinised & criticised due to the massive world class wages he is receiving, & fans not unsurprisingly expect world class performances. I do agree with you that he had a mixed game, & I too gave him 6/10 for the game, & this comes from someone who was in the tiny minority of never wanting to hire him.
A large part of the scrutiny is he replaced a fan favourite, younger player who was playing better than he has been. Sanchez was poor against LC as he has been for most of his games for us. It's like having Rooney back but with less goals and love.
The most silent of dominations.
I don't think people are too harsh on Sanchez. To be honest, if Martial plays like that, he will be absolutely killed by people here. I think people are more than fair towards Sanchez, and I did not put his wages into consideration, i don't really care how much the players earn.
He's criticised because of how much is expected of him. I was really disappointed in him on Friday because after a summer off and a full preseason you're expecting him to reassemble the player we saw at Arsenal i'd give him the next three games and if he's as poor as he was on Friday then might need to be dropped to give him a boot up the backside.
Dropping players can certainly be a wake up call for those not putting the effort in. One thing you can't question Sanchez on is his work rate or effort so it's hard to see how that is going to help. Given his reputation/ previous quality and of course his wages he is going to get more rope for bad performances than any other players.
However the question may come in a few months time as to whether he remains good enough for a starting place at all.
That would be a great point except for the fact that our goals to games ratio, shots on goals and chance creation all went down since he joined us. And not by small numbers.
It's still too early to judge him or write him off and he works hard, but calling him a breath of fresh air for us considering his impact is just turning a blind eye at his performances.
We bought an experienced 29 year old player, 6 months at a new club should be enough time to settle.
We can only hope this last game was a one off.
Understand what you're saying. I'm just thinking more in terms that it was only his first game after a full pre-season, so it still gives him some leeway. But, he definitely needs to start showing more and pretty soon.
Sorry United fans but looks to me its your Joe Cole. Sharp decline, massive wages, manager uses him wrongly. The only difference is Sanchez is big proffesional keeping himself fit and still works really hard on the pitch. Unlike Cole smoking about 40 Marls Red while getting his last big paycheck at Liverpool.
I have this feeling Guardiola never really wanted Alexis just used his involvement to push the wages offered by United as high as possible to somehow disrupt a harmony of Man Utd dressing room. Ferguson would have seen Sanchez decline from miles away. I think Pep as well, he trained him before after all. Mourinho wanted his experienced marque signing and got his wish this time.
Nothing is over. Jose needs to find a free role for Sanchez around Lukaku. He is an instinctive forward, needs to be around and in the box. To task him with defensive duties and play him on the wing will lead to more problems than solutions.
I have this feeling Guardiola never really wanted Alexis just used his involvement to push the wages offered by United as high as possible to somehow disrupt a harmony of Man Utd dressing room. Ferguson would have seen Sanchez decline from miles away. I think Pep as well, he trained him before after all. Mourinho wanted his experienced marque signing and got his wish this time.
Nothing is over. Jose needs to find a free role for Sanchez around Lukaku. He is an instinctive forward, needs to be around and in the box. To task him with defensive duties and play him on the wing will lead to more problems than solutions.
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If Martial plays like Sanchez did, he would be praised as the next Messi, Ronaldo, Sanchez and Neymar combined. Martial has done nothing compared to a poor Sanchez in terms of contribution to the team,and that's because Martial doesn't precisely shine in football intelligence. Martial should learn form Sanchez, even from the not so good version.
Breath of fresh air? He has been extremely stale more like. I am a massive fan of Sanchez, followed him since Udinese and really wanted us to sign him when he went to Barcelona and when we signed DiMaria.
This is one of the best wingers in the world over the last decade we are talking about here, his performances so far havent even been 50% of what he is capable of. I hope he has a big season I really do and the preseason showed promise, only one game in but he was pretty poor again. Bemusing to me just how poor he has been
Martial in the first half of last season was MILES better then any form Sanchez has shown here. It's not even a comparison. If you want to look at it in actual productivity, general creativity, being entertaining to watch, whatever. Martial in the first half beats the shit Sanchez showed in the 2nd half in every single aspect. Sanchez has been complete shite so far, let's not kid ourselves. Hes quality at his best, but as of now, that hasnt been seen since the 16/17 season.
So yeah, if anyone played like Sanchez has, they'd be battered. Sanchez still has the new signing feel so last season was a write off. He wont have that luxury this season.
Sanchez hasn't exactly been a model player when it comes to football intelligence. Turning when it makes more sense to release the ball quickly, forcing the issue on through passes when the opportunity to release the runner has long passed. Right now all he does better than Martial is workrate
Just took him out of my FPL squad
Don't worry guys, he will score a hattrick tomorrow. I hope
Don't worry guys, he will score a hattrick tomorrow. I hope
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