Alexander Buttner | 2012/13 Performances

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I'd love to know what's so funny about what I said about Park? I said that he was purchased, at best, to be a squad player and he turned out to be incredibly successful with us, one of Fergie's best signings in terms of value for money.

Yet some here would have you believe he was Iniesta's predecessor! :lol:
 
nahealai said:
I'd love to know what's so funny about what I said about Park? I said that he was purchased, at best, to be a squad player and he turned out to be incredibly successful with us, one of Fergie's best signings in terms of value for money.

Yet some here would have you believe he was Iniesta's predecessor! :lol:
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He looked like an excellent player in that semi-final against Milan and PSV deserved to go through to the final. They were a good team throughout the tournament and he was a key player for them, and yet you compare that to Pennant and Traore performing in one off games...there's just no words. The idea that he was a punt that managed to really push on and became a good squad player is just ridiculous.
 
nahealai said:
I'd love to know what's so funny about what I said about Park? I said that he was purchased, at best, to be a squad player and he turned out to be incredibly successful with us, one of Fergie's best signings in terms of value for money.

Yet some here would have you believe he was Iniesta's predecessor! :lol:
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Park wasn't a limited footballer and contrary to what you seem to think he wasn't just bought to run around like a headless chicken. Very good player and his poor final season seems to have altered your view.
 
I like Buttner. He's a gutsy player, and seems to have a good attitude. He's very raw but there is a bit of potential there.

He was a low risk signing thats given Evra a moderate kick up the arse and a rest when he needs it, and enabled Fabio to go out on loan.

He's done ok when he's played given how difficult it is to step into the team every 3-4 weeks. He does try a bit too hard to impress but thats not totally a bad thing, atleast shows that he's hungry and not here just to pick his nose.

That was only his 2nd premiership start, with his only other game his debut in September where he was excellent. Would have liked to have seen a bit more of him but as our defence was dodgy for much of the season and Evra playing pretty well, we couldnt really risk him.
 
Fiskey said:
Every time I've seen him he looks a genuinely awful defender, really really poor, one of the worst in the league.

There's something about him going forward, he's committed, maybe he's a project for the coaches. His positional play is just so atrocious though, I don't know whether it can be taught to that extent.
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Still believe this.
 
Raoul said:
Yeah so do i. Not quite sure what the obsession is with piling on players who have barely played for us.
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For what it's worth I've nothing against Buttner at all, I don't mind seeing him on the team sheet. I'm just curious what we saw in him that made us choose him over the 100s of left backs in Europe we could've went for.
 
Fiskey said:
Still believe this.
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there was one play, a simple basic defending play of the taking the overlapping man that he completely buggered and sent the reading player down the right for a cross into the box. had me bricking it as the camera angle was pitch side so you couldn't see who was in the box :nervous:

still a work in progress and mission accomplished with giving Evra a rest. Can't see him ahead of Fabio when he returns from loan
 
Buttner seems like one of them touch line hugging wingers to me (who plays at full back). Agree with Brwned's last post.
 
Brwned said:
For what it's worth I've nothing against Buttner at all, I don't mind seeing him on the team sheet. I'm just curious what we saw in him that made us choose him over the 100s of left backs in Europe we could've went for.
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Same here.

Buttner's alright, but I'd rather we just kept Fabio tbh.

SAF knows best though; he'll have his reasons.
 
Cutch said:
I like Buttner. He's a gutsy player, and seems to have a good attitude. He's very raw but there is a bit of potential there.

He was a low risk signing thats given Evra a moderate kick up the arse and a rest when he needs it, and enabled Fabio to go out on loan.

He's done ok when he's played given how difficult it is to step into the team every 3-4 weeks. He does try a bit too hard to impress but thats not totally a bad thing, atleast shows that he's hungry and not here just to pick his nose.

That was only his 2nd premiership start, with his only other game his debut in September where he was excellent. Would have liked to have seen a bit more of him but as our defence was dodgy for much of the season and Evra playing pretty well, we couldnt really risk him.
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I agree totally with this fellow.
 
He's a source of constant entertainment. His particular mix of steadfast determination and utter cluelessness is hilarious.
 
Highest average fantasy premier league points of all players. Best player in the league. Shut up.
 
Brwned said:
For what it's worth I've nothing against Buttner at all, I don't mind seeing him on the team sheet. I'm just curious what we saw in him that made us choose him over the 100s of left backs in Europe we could've went for.
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I'm the same. It's not a case of saying he isn't going to be a player, but right now he's not good enough to take of his infrequent chances. If I was forced to draw a conclusion based on his limited appearances then I'd say he isn't a player at this level and has too far to go to get there. But who knows? He'll be playing with top players, coaches and facilities. Hopefully he can train on.
 
Amir said:
Would have been the easier, and the wrong choice. Fabio wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the number of games he has for QPR. It'll do him and us a world of good longer term.
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That's an odd way of looking at it. It's better to send your backup on loan and buy an inferior backup than just keep your original backup at the club? If Fabio is seen as being so much better than Buttner that he's worth loaning out just so he can get games, then why not just keep him at the club and give him more games than we've given to Buttner? This same approach didn't do his brother any harm.
 
nahealai said:
I'd love to know what's so funny about what I said about Park? I said that he was purchased, at best, to be a squad player and he turned out to be incredibly successful with us, one of Fergie's best signings in terms of value for money.

Yet some here would have you believe he was Iniesta's predecessor! :lol:
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I guess Sir Alex is one of those, he said Park can replace Giggs
 
ciderman9000000 said:
That's an odd way of looking at it. It's better to send your backup on loan and buy an inferior backup than just keep your original backup at the club? If Fabio is seen as being so much better than Buttner that he's worth loaning out just so he can get games then why not just keep him at the club and give him more games than we've given to Buttner? This same approach didn't do his brother any harm.
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Because I'm pretty sure we wanted to do that last season as well. But Fergie's always found it hard to drop Evra, or 'rest' him. He's got good energy levels and he's such an important player for us. Rafael was a bit lucky he came at a time right back spot was up for grabs.

I'm sure we bought Buttner because we thought he may improve enough to do a job for us long term. Maybe he still will. We'll need competition at left back, Evra isn't a spring chicken. If he will, that's great. If he won't than it's another punt that didn't work, we've had many. And in the meantime, we've improved Fabio's chance of becoming a top player for us.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Same here.

Buttner's alright, but I'd rather we just kept Fabio tbh.

SAF knows best though; he'll have his reasons.
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Do you not think the fact Fabio is getting regular games in his favoured position is reason enough though?

Evra's a freak and plays all the time. Fabio would have just spent the season on his backside again.

This season will have done Fabio a World of good.
 
Well, it's no secret that I think Evra as being the weak link in the team, so I guess that's where my own and SAF's views differ. As always I concede the point to the master though; SAF knows best.
 
#Carl said:
Do you not think the fact Fabio is getting regular games in his favoured position is reason enough though?

Evra's a freak and plays all the time. Fabio would have just spent the season on his backside again.

This season will have done Fabio a World of good.
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I think Fabio could have been phased in just as Smalling and Jones areas being; I don't see why Evra should be playing every game.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Well, it's no secret that I think Evra as being the weak link in the team, so I guess that's where my own and SAF's views differ. As always I concede the point to the master though; SAF knows best.
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ciderman9000000 said:
I think Fabio could have been phased in just as Smalling and Jones areas being; I don't see why Evra should be playing every game.
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I suppose that's the crux. Fergie clearly still sees Evra as a vital part in our side. Is there a player that is rotated less? I doubt it.

It doesn't help Fabio that Evra seemes to be some kind of genetic freak too. He's never injured.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Well, it's no secret that I think Evra as being the weak link in the team, so I guess that's where my own and SAF's views differ. As always I concede the point to the master though; SAF knows best.
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Certainly not been a weak link this season. Evra has been superb I think, playing like a leader.
 
Evra's return to form happened immediately after Buttner's debut. I don't know why he was signed or whether he is the reason for this improvement but, if it did give Evra the kick up the arse that was needed, then the signing of Buttner has been worth it for that alone. He is infuriating with his positioning and slowness to move out to the right winger at times but Evra's had a quality season nevertheless.
 
I think you meant 'and' not 'but'

I think he's been good this year. Still skinned at times, but as determined as feck and often one of our best few players in games.
 
Well Fabio is back next season, maybe he rotates more regularly with Evra and Buttner gets the amount of games Fabio did on loan next season either in the prem or championship.

By that time Evra is going to be 33 years old and depending on how much longer he looks like being able to go for he might be moved on or Buttner might fetch a decent fee.

Essentially I think Buttner is seen as a perennial back up and SAF just made the investment this season.
 
I did genuinely vacillate between 'and' and 'but'.

If Fabio stays fit next season (yeah right), he should be back-up for Rafael as well as competing with Buttner for Evra's place. We don't actually have any right-backs apart from Rafa.
 
Brwned said:
For what it's worth I've nothing against Buttner at all, I don't mind seeing him on the team sheet. I'm just curious what we saw in him that made us choose him over the 100s of left backs in Europe we could've went for.
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Unless you reckon you'd be comfy with most of them 100s of left backs on the team sheet, you've at least partially answered your own question. Apart from that: Not too expensive, young enough to improve, somewhat experienced, good attitude, modern. There will always be alternatives but I'd imagine Büttner ticked a lot of the right boxes.
 
With the exception of Jordi Cruyff, our Dutch signings have been superb so far: Stam, VdS, RvN, and RvPersie. The jury is still out with Buttner, but hopefully he'll be able to follow suit. He's still young, works hard, has decent technique, pace and fire in his belly; I think he'll be at least a decent squad player.
 
nahealai said:
I'd love to know what's so funny about what I said about Park? I said that he was purchased, at best, to be a squad player and he turned out to be incredibly successful with us, one of Fergie's best signings in terms of value for money.

Yet some here would have you believe he was Iniesta's predecessor! :lol:
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Only because he was signed for like £4m. Park would never be put in the first team by most United fans. He was in to be a workhorse, he was average or fell over most of the time. Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo to Park to Rooney to Ronaldo v Arse in the CL semi was ace but come on now...

People moaning now about Young or Valencia but we had Park out there, Man.
 
Another youngster who doesn't get a lot of game time. Hard to be overly critical on a lad who rarely features in the side.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I don't see why Evra should be playing every game.
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Cos even when he is shit, he is better than anything else we have and better than anything else in the PL. Patrice had a dodgy spell, but has come through it. We need to give the man credit.
 
Buttner really does some utter stupid things at times. Rash tackles that give away free kicks being the main thing last night. At least today he didn't try to dribble his way out of trouble from our defensive corners.

Don't know what we are going to do with him once Fabio is back. Fabio is clearly the successor to Evra at the moment and I just get the feeling that Buttner was just bought for cover until fabio comes back from loan. Would be nice if he does start to progress and become a good player, but I'm not seeing it right now
 
I think he has the potential to be a very good full back but like with Mame Diouf, I doubt he will get a consistent run of games to really kick on at United.
 
akash02 said:
I think he has the potential to be a very good full back but like with Mame Diouf, I doubt he will get a consistent run of games to really kick on at United.
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If he shows the potential what makes you think he won't? Evra isn't getting younger, Fabio probably due back, there's a spot for a back up LB open for whoever shows the desire. From what i've seen in the u21 and the odd 1st team appearance, he doesn't look anything special at the moment but he could be a work in progress
 
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