Alex Telles - SIGNED for United

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I saw different numbers. 20m euro, 25m euro, 30m euro, 30m plus euro.

I like the 20m euro I think it’s acceptable. Anything above 20m euro is not acceptable for 27 or 28 years old left back who is available for free next year. We could try 15m euro plus 5m adds on. In the meantime we should try to get an alternative. We can’t do this too slow, it takes two months to sort out left back that cost less than 30m euro from Reguilon to this, very incompetent.
 
20m. Take it or leave.
Thiago, a worldclass midfielder and among top 3-5 best in the world in his position, only cost a Liverpool 20-25m. Do Porto think Telles, in last year of his contract, worth more?
 
I sometimes feel like Woodward is looking to buy a car, and the list price is more than what they are willing to pay. A year later, they can look at a lower list price for said vehicle and go "I told you so" to his wife for not buying the car in the first place.

We are haggling over pennies at this point, and the result is that players get much less time to settle into his new club. It's getting downright ridiculous even if we get the players slightly cheaper in the end - which doesn't seem to historically correct either.
 
I feel like we don’t actually have any valuation of players in mind. It’s just “always pay less” Meaning if Porto wanted £30m, we would refuse to go above £25m, but if Porto wanted £20m, we would refuse to go above £12m. You know what I mean? It’s like even when it’s a fair price we just won’t meet it. We’re happy to pay £12m, but if the asking price was £12m we’d only pay £7m.
 
HackeyC said:
People are quick to forget that £1m keeps over 20 normal employees in a job for a year.
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Mate, that view doesn't really carry so much weight when this club wastes millions of pounds like a leaky sieve.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I feel like we don’t actually have any valuation of players in mind. It’s just “always pay less” Meaning if Porto wanted £30m, we would refuse to go above £25m, but if Porto wanted £20m, we would refuse to go above £12m. You know what I mean? It’s like even when it’s a fair price we just won’t meet it. We’re happy to pay £12m, but if the asking price was £12m we’d only pay £7m.
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Exactly!
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I feel like we don’t actually have any valuation of players in mind. It’s just “always pay less” Meaning if Porto wanted £30m, we would refuse to go above £25m, but if Porto wanted £20m, we would refuse to go above £12m. You know what I mean? It’s like even when it’s a fair price we just won’t meet it. We’re happy to pay £12m, but if the asking price was £12m we’d only pay £7m.
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Valuations are a tricky thing though. How much is Bruno worth to United, for the impact that he had and being one of the best AMs in the league? A lot more then we paid that's for sure.

I'd say Telles is worth a lot more to United given we only have one specialist left back then he would be to Cheaty that have 45 of them or something.
 
He can sign for any club on a free in 90 odd days time. Obviously cant join till next summer then. So i dont blame Utd for dragging this out. A fee of around £10m or under would be a result. Porto need money.
 
JPRouve said:
It's difficult for players to add new things to their style when they reach a certain point in their careers because it's based on repetition, few manage to do it but most don't. And no it's not the difference between the very best and mediocre players, the difference between these two categories is how they excelled at their strength and if anything you will find more jacks of all trades, masters of none among mediocre players.
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Don't know what your trying to shove down peoples throat, but any footballer will tell you they are always learning. If they think a new trick is worth a try they will try it.
Running into space comes naturally to some forwards and it's not hard to learn.
 
Bestietom said:
Don't know what your trying to shove down peoples throat, but any footballer will tell you they are always learning. If they think a new trick is worth a try they will try it.
Running into space comes naturally to some forwards and it's not hard to learn.
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If it wasn't hard to learn they would all be good at it and we both know that it's not the case. And go tell that to Klose, he clearly disagrees with you.
 
JPRouve said:
If it wasn't hard to learn they would all be good at it and we both know that it's not the case. And go tell that to Klose, he clearly disagrees with you.
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You never win with people who only see what they want to see. I will leave it with, All players want to learn more, and will tell you so.
 
Of course he wants to join. This will be his last big contract, he wants to cash in. He will be pushing for this move hard unlike Sancho which is why I think this will happen...whereas Sancho is like....meh whatever.
 
Bestietom said:
You never win with people who only see what they want to see. I will leave it with, All players want to learn more, and will tell you so.
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And no one said that players don't want to learn more, I said that not everyone can learn everything.
 
JPRouve said:
And no one said that players don't want to learn more, I said that not everyone can learn everything.
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Well you certainly seem to have. Don't be trying to change peoples opinions. Really hate this. Let them have their own opinion.
 
Bestietom said:
Well you certainly seem to have. Don't be trying to change peoples opinions. Really hate this. Let them have their own opinion.
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How? The first sentence of the post you quoted says that it's difficult for players to add things when they reach a certain point in their career, at no point did I say that players don't want to try or don't actually try.
 
JPRouve said:
How? The first sentence of the post you quoted says that it's difficult for players to add things when they reach a certain point in their career, at no point did I say that players don't want to try or don't actually try.
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Look, forget it.
 
RedRonaldo said:
20m. Take it or leave.
Thiago, a worldclass midfielder and among top 3-5 best in the world in his position, only cost a Liverpool 20-25m. Do Porto think Telles, in last year of his contract, worth more?
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The purchase price is only part of the cost to clubs. Liverpool's purchase of Thiago over the term of the contract would be a lot higher due to his high salary over the term of his contract. Telles would be at a guess around 80k a week compared to Thiago on around 200/250k a week.
 
Sultan said:
The purchase price is only part of the cost to clubs. Liverpool's purchase of Thiago over the term of the contract would be a lot higher due to his high salary over the term of his contract. Telles would be at a guess around 80k a week compared to Thiago on around 200/250k a week.
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Thought Liverpool wages ceiling was 200k a week. Is this right.
 
Sultan said:
The purchase price is only part of the cost to clubs. Liverpool's purchase of Thiago over the term of the contract would be a lot higher due to his high salary over the term of his contract. Telles would be at a guess around 80k a week compared to Thiago on around 200/250k a week.
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They need to realise that Telles isn't a world class left back like Thiago in his position. It's not difficult for clubs to find alternative that is more worthy for their value than someone who is not world class which means United can easily going for another player and Porto will lose Telles for free next year.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
They need to realise that Telles isn't a world class left back like Thiago in his position. It's not difficult for clubs to find alternative that is more worthy for their value which means United can easily going for another player and Porto will lose Telles for free next year.
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I'm not sure Porto would be equating Telles and Thiago. It's only us on the Cafe. Two different players playing in different positions. Our need is for left-back, Liverpool wanted Thiago. Markets are decided by sellers and buyers needs or wants.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I feel like we don’t actually have any valuation of players in mind. It’s just “always pay less” Meaning if Porto wanted £30m, we would refuse to go above £25m, but if Porto wanted £20m, we would refuse to go above £12m. You know what I mean? It’s like even when it’s a fair price we just won’t meet it. We’re happy to pay £12m, but if the asking price was £12m we’d only pay £7m.
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That's because we have a banker as a negotiator who has no clue of what players are worth
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I feel like we don’t actually have any valuation of players in mind. It’s just “always pay less” Meaning if Porto wanted £30m, we would refuse to go above £25m, but if Porto wanted £20m, we would refuse to go above £12m. You know what I mean? It’s like even when it’s a fair price we just won’t meet it. We’re happy to pay £12m, but if the asking price was £12m we’d only pay £7m.
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its the classic mentality of feeling like you got the green of the deal. Quite small time which is usually reserved for us normal plebs haggling over $50 here and there. Not huge companies
 
Sultan said:
The purchase price is only part of the cost to clubs. Liverpool's purchase of Thiago over the term of the contract would be a lot higher due to his high salary over the term of his contract. Telles would be at a guess around 80k a week compared to Thiago on around 200/250k a week.
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Thats not Bayern's problem though to think about what it would cost liverpool in wages tbf
 
Loon said:
So, basically you're saying you'll only be optimistic if we sign Sancho?
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He'd seemingly be the only one to improve our starting XI. The other two signings (If any of these happen) are more for squad depth
 
Telles has a few offers and he prefers United's as they offer a considerable higher wage than the others. The transfer fee however, remains too low for Porto ambitions.

The player is pressuring Porto to accept United's lowball but Porto would rather keep the player and let him leave on a free next year than to sell for peanuts and spend it on an unprovent left back.
 
broccoli said:
Telles has a few offers and he prefers United's as they offer a considerable higher wage than the others. The transfer fee however, remains too low for Porto ambitions.

The player is pressuring Porto to accept United's lowball but Porto would rather keep the player and let him leave on a free next year than to sell for peanuts and spend it on an unprovent left back.
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Any idea who’s the club that apparently has a pre-contract agreement with the player in January?
 
Sultan said:
I'm not sure Porto would be equating Telles and Thiago. It's only us on the Cafe. Two different players playing in different positions. Our need is for left-back, Liverpool wanted Thiago. Markets are decided by sellers and buyers needs or wants.
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Thiago is world class in his position, Liverpool won't find someone out there with the same quality or someone with the same potential can be signed as alternative.

Telles on the other hand is not a world class in his position, we can find someone out there with same quality or if not someone with the same potential can be signed as alternative.

Do you understand now? Bayern knew Liverpool won't give up in chasing Thiago given other alternative won't be worth as much value as Thiago. While what Porto needs to know here United can give up in chasing Telles given there are other alternative. If Porto prefers us to go for the alternative left back then they will lose Telles for free next year.
 
devilish said:
That's because we have a banker as a negotiator who has no clue of what players are worth
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I just find it funny that we weren’t willing to pay £30m for Thiago but were willing to pay £30m for a shit player like Longstaff, just because the asking price was £50m.

Clubs are gonna see us coming in the future. If they actually want £40m for a player their gonna quote us £70m & we’ll probably throw £50m straight down. Incompetent fecks.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I just find it funny that we weren’t willing to pay £30m for Thiago but were willing to pay £30m for a shit player like Longstaff, just because the asking price was £50m.

Clubs are gonna see us coming in the future. If they actually want £40m for a player their gonna quote us £70m & we’ll probably throw £50m straight down. Incompetent fecks.
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We weren't willing to accept Thiago's personal contract/deal not the transfer fees. There is no indication that we weren't willing to accept to pay 30m.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I just find it funny that we weren’t willing to pay £30m for Thiago but were willing to pay £30m for a shit player like Longstaff, just because the asking price was £50m.

Clubs are gonna see us coming in the future. If they actually want £40m for a player their gonna quote us £70m & we’ll probably throw £50m straight down. Incompetent fecks.
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Who said we weren’t willing to pay £30m for Thiago? You know he was off to Liverpool from the moment the final whistle went in the CL final. We never had a chance of signing him, it was all paper talk. Why the hell would he ever come to United when he could go to Liverpool, who are one of the elite clubs in the game right now. Use your brain. It was never on, ever. Everyone in the game knew he was going to Liverpool, linking him to us was a completely fabricated story to generate clicks, nothing more. Then some idiot tweets that we balked at £30m for him, and our fans lap it up.
 
No need to overpay. If we are the only ones in for him then we should try and drive the price down

better get him though
 
dinostar77 said:
He can sign for any club on a free in 90 odd days time. Obviously cant join till next summer then. So i dont blame Utd for dragging this out. A fee of around £10m or under would be a result. Porto need money.
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We could easily get him in Jan for 5m if we wanted him midway through the season.

I believe porto will eventually sell but we are right in taking a stance on paying a reasonable fee.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I just find it funny that we weren’t willing to pay £30m for Thiago but were willing to pay £30m for a shit player like Longstaff, just because the asking price was £50m.

Clubs are gonna see us coming in the future. If they actually want £40m for a player their gonna quote us £70m & we’ll probably throw £50m straight down. Incompetent fecks.
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I have 3 theories of what's going on

Judge is clueless theory. It's a solid theory considering that we gave ridiculous salaries and contract extensions to players + we're struggling to sign players. That theory is backed by Evra as well BTW
The club had decided Ole's fate and they won't back him theory. They didn't back Mou in the end and maybe they are doing the same to Ole. Ole is asking for an 60m-80m investment in defence after previously spending another 130m there. He asked for Grealish when he already had Bruno and Pogba there (ultimately they settled for VDB). That doesn't help the manager's cause
The club doesn't want to spend money but it still want to benefit from the clicks transfer interest generate theory. It's similar to theory B but with the difference that Ole's head is not on the chopping board. At least not yet. It partly backed by our lack of transfer activity, by Ole saying that Bruno's transfer was partly financed by the Summer budget + by Woodward's AGM's speech who used the interest generated during the silly season as an example of how ridiculous popular our brand name is.

Ultimately I think its a mix of the three.
 
My guess would be we are trying to match, as closely as possible, the respective fees for Smalling and Telles, to justify the purchase. I’m not saying it’s right or I agree, but looking at how we’ve gone about this window so far, it fits with the mentality. VDB fell into our laps when Madrid couldn’t spend and the fee was realistic. Anything outside of this, we’ve either walked away from or played the long game. We clearly want to spend as little as possible, unless it’s underwritten as a unique one off opportunity like Sancho. The key point for me will be the agreed dividend payments to our shareholders at the end of this tumultuous financial year, following the obvious withholding of money spent on players.
 
devilish said:
I have 3 theories of what's going on

Judge is clueless theory. It's a solid theory considering that we gave ridiculous salaries and contract extensions to players + we're struggling to sign players. That theory is backed by Evra as well BTW
The club had decided Ole's fate and they won't back him theory. They didn't back Mou in the end and maybe they are doing the same to Ole. Ole is asking for an 60m-80m investment in defence after previously spending another 130m there. He asked for Grealish when he already had Bruno and Pogba there (ultimately they settled for VDB). That doesn't help the manager's cause
The club doesn't want to spend money but it still want to benefit from the clicks transfer interest generate theory. It's similar to theory B but with the difference that Ole's head is not on the chopping board. At least not yet. It partly backed by our lack of transfer activity, by Ole saying that Bruno's transfer was partly financed by the Summer budget + by Woodward's AGM's speech who used the interest generated during the silly season as an example of how ridiculous popular our brand name is.

Ultimately I think its a mix of the three.
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I dont think it's any, although all three are possibly factors.

Judge cannot be clueless or he would not have lasted here or done any of the transfers so far. He might not be brilliant but hes not clueless.

If Oles fate was already sealed, why is he still here? They had a whole summer to replace him.

Clicks are overrated. Good for the brand but they're not going to make a significant difference, especially when so much of the resultant press is negative.


I think ultimately we are looking at it too much like a business with the risk reward mix, because we have business people running things. There is no way you would spend such vast sums on something so risky in a normal business. 20% of your revenue on an asset (Sancho) that might very well not perform/meet their potential/get injured/whatever else? It would never happen. You would spend less/on less risky purchases, or spread it across multiple purchases, which is what we usually end up doing. Likewise a player like Jones and his extension, he might be shit but on paper he has a value, and you would never just let an asset disappear if you could help it. All valid things in a business, but that is not how football works.
 
Yall are trying your best to turn this into drama. The club probably has budgets and assessments in place and we can't meet demands atm. Thats it.
 
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