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Devil may care said:
Blind has been average for us when playing at LB most of the time, his best run in the team has been as a CB, it's why he can't even get the spot over an aging converted winger. Liverpool's LB situation is a mess and Chelsea are trying to add Sandro or the guy from Roma to offer competition for Alonso. City's back up is supposed to be Danilo who they paid £37M for, in the case of Real Madrid they have the best LB in the world so their back-up is a youngster they are blooding into the role. In our case our LB is not on the level of proven experience, quality or reliability to make do with a weak back-up as opposed to genuine top level competition for the spot.
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He's had some very good games at left back for us. I think you're being incredibly harsh to disregard his performances in that position. They have certainly been good enough for a back up left back.

In regards to Young: being 32 doesn't mean you can't play football any more or that you've already significantly weakened with age. Or is Valencia not good enough to play for us because of his age? Chelsea were also apparently in for Sanchez too, I'd take anything you read in the news with a pitch of salt. Danilo is a right back and being the best left back in the world has nothing to do with having options. The reason for having a backup player is to use them when your first choice is unfit or needs a rest. Ultimately, they have deemed it fit not to have a back up either.

That last point is ultimately what it comes down to: you don't think Shaw is good enough. I, and many others do.
 
ivaldo said:
He's had some very good games at left back for us. I think you're being incredibly harsh to disregard his performances in that position. They have certainly been good enough for a back up left back.

In regards to Young: being 32 doesn't mean you can't play football any more or that you've already significantly weakened with age. Or is Valencia not good enough to play for us because of his age? Chelsea were also apparently in for Sanchez too, I'd take anything you read in the news with a pitch of salt. Danilo is a right back and being the best left back in the world has nothing to do with having options. The reason for having a backup player is to use them when your first choice is unfit or needs a rest. Ultimately, they have deemed it fit not to have a back up either.

That last point is ultimately what it comes down to: you don't think Shaw is good enough. I, and many others do.
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I don't think I'm being harsh in saying Blind is a good CB but overall a mediocre LB, especially in the league.

Valencia needs real competition as well, it's obvious he needs his minutes managed, Jose even said as much, it's like with Rio under Fergie when he got older, Young has had a little purple patch but we should be moving on to a player who is actually a LB and who isn't in the twilight of their career. The Chelsea/Sanchez links were obvious bullshit thrown in at the last minute by City, Sandro has been a constant link with them since last summer. When you have the best LB in the world you accept weaker cover because he'll play constantly and the back-up has to accept that's all they are, or be a youngster happy to be blooded in. We don't have a top LB thus the need for competition, not mediocre cover.

Shaw hasn't shown anything yet to indicate he can nail down the spot at United, then you have to factor in his injury issues, he's both unproven and unreliable, pinning the hopes on him is too risky, buy a quality LB and let them rotate and compete.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't think I'm being harsh in saying Blind is a good CB but overall a mediocre LB, especially in the league.

Valencia needs real competition as well, it's obvious he needs his minutes managed, Jose even said as much, it's like with Rio under Fergie when he got older, Young has had a little purple patch but we should be moving on to a player who is actually a LB and who isn't in the twilight of their career. The Chelsea/Sanchez links were obvious bullshit thrown in at the last minute by City, Sandro has been a constant link with them since last summer. When you have the best LB in the world you accept weaker cover because he'll play constantly and the back-up has to accept that's all they are, or be a youngster happy to be blooded in. We don't have a top LB thus the need for competition, not mediocre cover.

Shaw hasn't shown anything yet to indicate he can nail down the spot at United, then you have to factor in his injury issues, he's both unproven and unreliable, pinning the hopes on him is too risky, buy a quality LB and let them rotate and compete.
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Yes he does need his minutes managed, he needs a decent back up right back. Young isn't a starter so his minutes are already managed. We already have a young left back, he also happens to be our first choice left back.

Most first choices constantly play though. Just because he's the best left back in the world doesn't mean he's immune to fatigue or injury. Inevitably he's going to miss games and it doesnt matter how good he is then you're going to have to play the back up.

Shaw was the best left back in the league when we signed him, and the only reason he hasn't been a regular is because of his unfortunate injuries. There's no real repetitive injury concerns. He made his first team debut in the premier league in 2012, a year after Sandro made his for Porto. He's not unproven.
 
Random Task said:
I'm firmly in the "stick with Luke Shaw" camp.
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As will the United board. Just don't see them sanctioning a big money deal for a LB, particularly now that Shaw is showing signs of revival.

Think it's more likely that we'll sign an auxiliary fullback who can play either side. No idea who that might be though!
 
Replacing Darmian with Sandro would be massive. We also get to 'gamzump' Chelsea.
 
ivaldo said:
Yes he does need his minutes managed, he needs a decent back up right back. Young isn't a starter so his minutes are already managed. We already have a young left back, he also happens to be our first choice left back.

Most first choices constantly play though. Just because he's the best left back in the world doesn't mean he's immune to fatigue or injury. Inevitably he's going to miss games and it doesnt matter how good he is then you're going to have to play the back up.

Shaw was the best left back in the league when we signed him, and the only reason he hasn't been a regular is because of his unfortunate injuries. There's no real repetitive injury concerns. He made his first team debut in the premier league in 2012, a year after Sandro made his for Porto. He's not unproven.
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Valencia and Young should share the RB spot next season, both are ideal to rotate in and out at this stage of their career. Shaw isn't really the first choice LB, he's in right now because Young got suspended for 3 matches, before that they were rotating.

The point was Marcelo is undroppable like most top clubs LB, hence the youngster cover or before that mediocre cover with Contreao. We don't have a top LB thus we need one, all our options are basically cover.

Shaw has barely played over the last 3 seasons, he had a breakout season nearly 5 years ago, it's very different to being a proven performer season after season with good fitness and performance consistency. If we stay as we are we are taking a huge risk on an unreliable and unproven player who if he fails leaves us back with Young and Blind every other week.
 
Devil may care said:
Valencia and Young should share the RB spot next season, both are ideal to rotate in and out at this stage of their career. Shaw isn't really the first choice LB, he's in right now because Young got suspended for 3 matches, before that they were rotating.

The point was Marcelo is undroppable like most top clubs LB, hence the youngster cover or before that mediocre cover with Contreao. We don't have a top LB thus we need one, all our options are basically cover.

Shaw has barely played over the last 3 seasons, he had a breakout season nearly 5 years ago, it's very different to being a proven performer season after season with good fitness and performance consistency. If we stay as we are we are taking a huge risk on an unreliable and unproven player who if he fails leaves us back with Young and Blind every other week.
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Wait, so Young and Valencia are fine to rotate but Shaw, Young AND Blind aren’t enough to cover left back? And Young’s age is only an issue when he’s rotating with a 22 year old but not with a 32 year old? He was at Southampton for 3 years and was the best left back in the league when he joined us. That isn’t unproven, and he’ll have far more PL experience than anyone we bring in.

And my point is it doesn’t matter how undroppable a player is, they aren’t immune to fatigue and will inevitably get injured. Even so, Madrid have not opted to bring in a more capable understudy. The idea of a back up player is to play when the first teamer is unavailable. Very rarely do we see two fullbacks rotating with one another, neither being deemed as a clear first choice. All those aforementioned teams, as good as they are, do not have the quality of the type of player you think essential to play second fiddle.

So again, that ultimately comes down to you thinking Shaw isn’t good enough, not that we need better cover.
 
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ivaldo said:
Wait, so Young and Valencia are fine to rotate but Shaw, Valencia AND Blind aren’t enough to cover left back? And Young’s age is only an issue when he’s rotating with a 22 year old but not with a 32 year old? He was at Southampton for 3 years and was the best left back in the league when he joined us. That isn’t unproven, and he’ll have far more PL experience than anyone we bring in.

And my point is it doesn’t matter how undroppable a player is, they aren’t immune to fatigue and will inevitably get injured. Even so, Madrid have not opted to bring in a more capable understudy. The idea of a back up player is to play when the first teamer is unavailable. Very rarely do we see two fullbacks rotating with one another, neither being deemed as a clear first choice. All those aforementioned teams, as good as they are, do not have the quality of the type of player you think essential to play second fiddle.

So again, that ultimately comes down to you thinking Shaw isn’t good enough, not that we need better cover.
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since when Valencia is a LB? Also Blind is crap as LB.
 
ivaldo said:
Wait, so Young and Valencia are fine to rotate but Shaw, Valencia AND Blind aren’t enough to cover left back? And Young’s age is only an issue when he’s rotating with a 22 year old but not with a 32 year old? He was at Southampton for 3 years and was the best left back in the league when he joined us. That isn’t unproven, and he’ll have far more PL experience than anyone we bring in.

And my point is it doesn’t matter how undroppable a player is, they aren’t immune to fatigue and will inevitably get injured. Even so, Madrid have not opted to bring in a more capable understudy. The idea of a back up player is to play when the first teamer is unavailable. Very rarely do we see two fullbacks rotating with one another, neither being deemed as a clear first choice. All those aforementioned teams, as good as they are, do not have the quality of the type of player you think essential to play second fiddle.

So again, that ultimately comes down to you thinking Shaw isn’t good enough, not that we need better cover.
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Valencia is top class so yes, you can afford to have a lesser back up, none of our LB's are top class, that's the difference. PL experience is fairly irrelevant, most of the best players to have ever played in the PL came from elsewhere, being a product of the league doesn't mean much long term. He had one stand out season at Southampton, the only season where he's performed regularly, since then he's spent almost 4 seasons as either cover, injured or left out, if you recall the first season he wasn't even in good enough shape to play for LvG at first.

That's exactly what I said, when you have a Marcelo you accept mediocre cover because he plays all of the time, we can't accept mediocre cover because we don't have a top LB already, our options are all cover who rotate because none of them have shown to be good enough to be the Marcelo of this team.

I think Shaw isn't good enough to bet a season on, hence I'd buy a player to compete with him like Telles or Tierny, rather than spending £60M on a player he'd not get a look in against.
 
I'm also in team Shaw. But I do think we should be looking at 2 high potential young players at RB and LB, to cover and compete (RB to eventually replace Valencia).
 
Swift Football said:
Hard to understand why people do not rate Azpilicueta that high. he might not be as 'fancy' as Marcelo going forward, but he is solid defensively. And the left back we are planning to buy should be primarily a good defender.

I would be delighted if we can have someone like Azpilicueta on our left hand side, but I am not sure who exactly.

Also, one thing our team is screaming for is good crosses. I have read Philipp Max looks good in that department but I have not seen him play.
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You know that he hasn't played as a left back for ages now, right?
 
ivaldo said:
Wait, so Young and Valencia are fine to rotate but Shaw, Young AND Blind aren’t enough to cover left back? And Young’s age is only an issue when he’s rotating with a 22 year old but not with a 32 year old? He was at Southampton for 3 years and was the best left back in the league when he joined us. That isn’t unproven, and he’ll have far more PL experience than anyone we bring in.

And my point is it doesn’t matter how undroppable a player is, they aren’t immune to fatigue and will inevitably get injured. Even so, Madrid have not opted to bring in a more capable understudy. The idea of a back up player is to play when the first teamer is unavailable. Very rarely do we see two fullbacks rotating with one another, neither being deemed as a clear first choice. All those aforementioned teams, as good as they are, do not have the quality of the type of player you think essential to play second fiddle.

So again, that ultimately comes down to you thinking Shaw isn’t good enough, not that we need better cover.
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He has had one memorable season in 5 years. That is proper unproven. I doubt he has even improved any aspect of his game. In fact he has apparently gone backwards. So yeah, he has it all to prove. he needs to prove he isn't living off being an enthusiastic 18 year old and can make the step up to be a man and play for a club like Man Utd. Fabio and Rafael went through it and they both sank. You can't be an 18 year old forever. Once the enthusiasm dies down, people start analysing your came and noticing your limitations. He is supposed to be an offensive FB and has 3 career EPL assists......
 
Shaw was a defensive full back at Southampton and his first season here.
 
harms said:
You know that he hasn't played as a left back for ages now, right?
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Yeah and even if he did, it would be almost impossible to get another Chelsea player, thats why i told someone like Azpilicueta, and not Azpil himself.
 
Stacks said:
He has had one memorable season in 5 years. That is proper unproven. I doubt he has even improved any aspect of his game. In fact he has apparently gone backwards. So yeah, he has it all to prove. he needs to prove he isn't living off being an enthusiastic 18 year old and can make the step up to be a man and play for a club like Man Utd. Fabio and Rafael went through it and they both sank. You can't be an 18 year old forever. Once the enthusiasm dies down, people start analysing your came and noticing your limitations. He is supposed to be an offensive FB and has 3 career EPL assists......
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A season where he was the best left back in the league. He's still played over 100 games in a premier league side mate. To say he's unproven is just daft.

Apparently gone backwards? That's certainly not apparent to me, nor the majority of other fans. Rafael and Fabio weren't the best players in their respective positions in the league, Shaw was. You seriously putting the acknowledgement as the best left back in the league down to youthful enthusiasm? Seriously? No he isn't supposed to be an attacking fullback, that's nonsense.
 
Devil may care said:
Valencia is top class so yes, you can afford to have a lesser back up, none of our LB's are top class, that's the difference. PL experience is fairly irrelevant, most of the best players to have ever played in the PL came from elsewhere, being a product of the league doesn't mean much long term. He had one stand out season at Southampton, the only season where he's performed regularly, since then he's spent almost 4 seasons as either cover, injured or left out, if you recall the first season he wasn't even in good enough shape to play for LvG at first.

That's exactly what I said, when you have a Marcelo you accept mediocre cover because he plays all of the time, we can't accept mediocre cover because we don't have a top LB already, our options are all cover who rotate because none of them have shown to be good enough to be the Marcelo of this team.

I think Shaw isn't good enough to bet a season on, hence I'd buy a player to compete with him like Telles or Tierny, rather than spending £60M on a player he'd not get a look in against.
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Yeah it is fairly irrevelant, but no more so than being 'proven', especially when you have over 100 games to your name in one of the most competitive countries in the world. And then you suggest to bring Tierney in for competition? Either being proven matters or it doesn't.

But Valencia is 32. You've already stated you need someone younger to compete, and you suggest a 32 year old Young to be that player? You're not being consistent with your point.

You're still not getting it. A first choice player plays when available. Whether they are the best on their position or not. Depth is either important or it isn't. Those clubs don't have depth. Bringing in an inferior player to compete for the position makes no sense. What you are asking for is a replacement for Shaw. Ultimately this comes down to you not thinking Shaw is good enough. Not that we need more depth in the position. I'm not going to argue with you on that point, there will be no end to it.
 
ivaldo said:
A season where he was the best left back in the league. He's still played over 100 games in a premier league side mate. To say he's unproven is just daft.
I mean't he has it all to prove.
Apparently gone backwards? That's certainly not apparent to me, nor the majority of other fans. Rafael and Fabio weren't the best players in their respective positions in the league, Shaw was. You seriously putting the acknowledgement as the best left back in the league down to youthful enthusiasm? Seriously? No he isn't supposed to be an attacking fullback, that's nonsense.
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Well Shaw wasn't genuinely the best Lb in the league. He has never been better than Baines and Evra outperformed him also. As I said, he was an exciting, enthusiastic blonde haired English kid, who was hyped due to his energetic, athletic, endless running. Rafael and Fabio have actually performed at the higher level funny enough, part of a United team that advance to champions league finals, won titles and of course Rafael dominated Ribery in that head 2 head. Can't think of "the best left back in the league's" big performances.......Oh yeah and in 2013, Rafael was most certainly the best RB and contributed to a title winning campaign, with 3 goals, 3 assists and 4 MoTM awards. What did Shaw do again? but of course Shaw has been a better FB than peak Rafael, most certainly :wenger:.

Fabio didn't play enough games but Rafael at his best makes Luke look Sunday league mate. Luke's game has always been super basic, stiff but athletic

And if Shaw's game hasn't gone backwards, what has he improved in?
 
ivaldo said:
Yeah it is fairly irrevelant, but no more so than being 'proven', especially when you have over 100 games to your name in one of the most competitive countries in the world. And then you suggest to bring Tierney in for competition? Either being proven matters or it doesn't.

But Valencia is 32. You've already stated you need someone younger to compete, and you suggest a 32 year old Young to be that player? You're not being consistent with your point.

You're still not getting it. A first choice player plays when available. Whether they are the best on their position or not. Depth is either important or it isn't. Those clubs don't have depth. Bringing in an inferior player to compete for the position makes no sense. What you are asking for is a replacement for Shaw. Ultimately this comes down to you not thinking Shaw is good enough. Not that we need more depth in the position. I'm not going to argue with you on that point, there will be no end to it.
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How many games you have played isn't really important vs how well you've performed consistently at a high level, that is what proven is. I suggested Tierny as I think he's a compromise in terms of he can compete with Shaw but right now isn't so good as to leave Shaw no room to win the spot.

I think ideally Valencia could use a younger counterpart to share the load despite still being a good performer, but for next season he could share the role with Young and we can send TFM out on loan and continue to track his progress in the position.

No, that's not what I'm asking for, I'm saying Shaw isn't a first choice player as he's only in the role week to week as Young is suspended, and he hasn't done nearly enough to be given that untouchable starting spot, so we should bring in a LB to compete with him, not one that's so good that he'd never get a shot.
 
Stacks said:
Well Shaw wasn't genuinely the best Lb in the league. He has never been better than Baines and Evra outperformed him also. As I said, he was an exciting, enthusiastic blonde haired English kid, who was hyped due to his energetic, athletic, endless running. Rafael and Fabio have actually performed at the higher level funny enough, part of a United team that advance to champions league finals, won titles and of course Rafael dominated Ribery in that head 2 head. Can't think of "the best left back in the league's" big performances.......Oh yeah and in 2013, Rafael was most certainly the best RB and contributed to a title winning campaign, with 3 goals, 3 assists and 4 MoTM awards. What did Shaw do again? but of course Shaw has been a better FB than peak Rafael, most certainly :wenger:.

Fabio didn't play enough games but Rafael at his best makes Luke look Sunday league mate. Luke's game has always been super basic, stiff but athletic

And if Shaw's game hasn't gone backwards, what has he improved in?
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Yes he was. No matter how much revisionism you'd like insert into this it doesn't make it any less true. There was a reason why United and Chelsea were after him, why he was already an England international, why we made him one of the most expensive teenagers in the world.

What a daft comment, or are you to tell me you regularly watched Southampton when Shaw was playing there. But I know the answer, you watched him so often you thought he was an attacking fullback! "Blonde haired English kid", :lol: god damn you Luke for deceiving us with those lush, blonde locks!? Now he is just a blonde haired English kid we've seen through your ruse.

And seriously, turn off the bold ffs.
 
Devil may care said:
How many games you have played isn't really important vs how well you've performed consistently at a high level, that is what proven is. I suggested Tierny as I think he's a compromise in terms of he can compete with Shaw but right now isn't so good as to leave Shaw no room to win the spot.

I think ideally Valencia could use a younger counterpart to share the load despite still being a good performer, but for next season he could share the role with Young and we can send TFM out on loan and continue to track his progress in the position.

No, that's not what I'm asking for, I'm saying Shaw isn't a first choice player as he's only in the role week to week as Young is suspended, and he hasn't done nearly enough to be given that untouchable starting spot, so we should bring in a LB to compete with him, not one that's so good that he'd never get a shot.
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I disagree but we aren't getting anywhere so I'll leave it there. Good discussion.
 
ivaldo said:
Yes he was. No matter how much revisionism you'd like insert into this it doesn't make it any less true. There was a reason why United and Chelsea were after him, why he was already an England international, why we made him one of the most expensive teenagers in the world.

What a daft comment, or are you to tell me you regularly watched Southampton when Shaw was playing there. But I know the answer, you watched him so often you thought he was an attacking fullback! "Blonde haired English kid", :lol: god damn you Luke for deceiving us with those lush, blonde locks!? Now he is just a blonde haired English kid we've seen through your ruse.

And seriously, turn off the bold ffs.
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I never got the hype. that's it really. I am Shaw United and Chelsea are interested in many bright English talents, but doesn't make them special. Bertrand also got into the team of the year and he also had been picked up by Chelsea at some point (he isn't that special). As soon as Shaw touched down at United he looked iffy and is still very much so. United making him the most expensive teenager is part of the reason we have spent too much money and achieved very little. Spurs just develop guys like Rose into the best LB 2 years running while we are spending 30 million on 18 year olds. its nothing to be proud about.
 
Stacks said:
I never got the hype. that's it really. I am Shaw United and Chelsea are interested in many bright English talents, but doesn't make them special. Bertrand also got into the team of the year and he also had been picked up by Chelsea at some point (he isn't that special). As soon as Shaw touched down at United he looked iffy and is still very much so. United making him the most expensive teenager is part of the reason we have spent too much money and achieved very little. Spurs just develop guys like Rose into the best LB 2 years running while we are spending 30 million on 18 year olds. its nothing to be proud about.
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No he didn't look iffy, but then again you did think he was renowned as an attacking fullback when he arrived...
 
Devil may care said:
How many games you have played isn't really important vs how well you've performed consistently at a high level, that is what proven is. I suggested Tierny as I think he's a compromise in terms of he can compete with Shaw but right now isn't so good as to leave Shaw no room to win the spot.

I think ideally Valencia could use a younger counterpart to share the load despite still being a good performer, but for next season he could share the role with Young and we can send TFM out on loan and continue to track his progress in the position.

No, that's not what I'm asking for, I'm saying Shaw isn't a first choice player as he's only in the role week to week as Young is suspended, and he hasn't done nearly enough to be given that untouchable starting spot, so we should bring in a LB to compete with him, not one that's so good that he'd never get a shot.
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All well and good, but Young doesnt look comfortable at right back.
 
I really want Shaw to succeed and fulfil his potential with us and go on to be a genuine quality left back BUT he’s a few games into playing first team football again so we can’t really expect to put all our faith in him as first choice left back yet.

Young has had some very good games there BUT isn’t 1. A left back and 2. A long term option as he himself has had injury problems and at 33 will take longer to recover. Blind has to play centrally whether it’s in defence or midfield as he struggles against pace when out wide, he’s a fantastic squad player and happy to play anywhere but he should only play left back in a worse case scenario.
 
Just buy an experienced but good LB for crying out loud. I don't see how having 2 young and inexperienced players down the same side is going to be beneficial. If Martial had someone with the brain, finesse, vision and passing ability of Dani Alvez, he'd be excellent in his goal and assist contributions and could have even more impressive numbers. He could focus on coming alive in the final 3rd and would get the ball in better positions and probably more goal scoring opportunities. Likewise, if Shaw had someone as experience has Ribery (in his prime) or Giggs he would provide a purely supplementary role and act more as a decoy. The problem is we have 2 incomplete players down that side if Shaw starts along with Rashford or Martial. they all need a lot of instruction and guidance in both attacking and defending. They don't particularly compliment each other as they haven't developed the football brain necessary. Its all a combination of young guns trying the same tricks over and over.
 
The way I see it, Sandro is one of the very top LBs in the game today, and its a position that we have been seriously lacking in since Evra to be honest.

Next season, we'd hope to be involved in somewhere between 60-70 competitive matches, and its not realistic to go into that campaign with just one proper LB, being Shaw, as he's only just beginning to show form and is still only a youngster.

Yes, Young has filled in well recently, but its not his true position and he is 33, so that's pretty risky planning to rely on that option.
As for Blind, Rojo & Darmian at LB, you've gotta be joking...!!
And I'd hope that at least one if not two of those would be shipped off before next season anyway.

I am assuming that we had earmarked approx. £85M for Griezmann, but now that it looks like we have nabbed Sanchez for way below market value, the remainder of these funds could be thrown at Sandro and we've recruited 2 World Class talents for that money.
For me, I 100% believe its a move that we should make.
 
If Sandro is in any way gettable this summer we should be after him. Left back is a major problem for us and he would vastly inprove us.

As much as I would like for Shaw to kick on I think that ship has sailed. Young is not a left back. Blind isn’t good at enough at left back. Darmian is Darmian.
 
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If Sandro is in any way gettable this summer we should be after him. Left back is a major problem for us and he would vastly inprove us.

As much as I would like for Shaw to kick on I think that ship has sailed. Young is not a left back. Blind isn’t good at enough at left back. Darmian is Darmian.
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Spot on
 
Watching Sandro tonight, I'd give fat boy Shaw a go and pass on Sandro (why is/was he available anyway). As fat Sandro looks very average, first half at least
 
Only watched him a couple of times in the CL but he looks like a solid full back but not a great one. A bit similar to how Valencia currently plays for us. Decent defensively but never seen him offer much in attack.
 
Based on tonight doesn't look anything special but still better than our non-options there.
 
Sandro has always been a defender first. Conte wanted him for chelsea to play as a Cb in back three. Not every Brazillian fullback is a marcelo/Dani alves. He can attack well but he wont command a wing like Evra used to. Very mourinho type defender, good in air, good positioning, can sense danger, good crossing, pace. He will never be a dani alves or roberto carlos/Marcelo though.
 
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