Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?

Admittedly laughed at a few, but I really can't understand those who'd bash our players over these kind of mediums, the one which really comes to mind a few years back was Gibson having to shut down his twitter account due to obnoxious toerags having a go at him while still playing for us.
Having said that, not to appear a real stick in the mud, there was a comment a couple months back on the newbies forum over Welbeck (prior him bagging a few goals!) that tickled me just right, "Welbeck.. whats the use of a forward who doesn't score?, it's like big tits on a nun, pointless."
 
I really don't get why footballers bother with these open Q&A things. Every single time it is just abuse / jokes about the player
 
A few were in the link posted by Mel, but I've seen a few more, some are very funny:

#AskCarrick if you could drop one player from the team how would you tell Cleverley?.

#AskCarrick How does it feeling knowing Begovic has more goals than you this season.

#askcarrick in what game was your most memorable pass back to your keeper.

#AskCarrick Do you watch Cleverly train to feel good about yourself?

#AskCarrick On a scale of Tom Cleverly to 0, how bad is Ashley Young?

#AskCarrick Which pub will you go to watch the World Cup?

#AskCarrick Would Moyes consider putting De Gea upfront, so that you can pass the ball the right way?

#AskCarrick If a ball leaves your boot travelling at 30km per hour at 3 pm on saturday, how long does it take to reach De Gea?

#AskCarrick Have you tried putting on your kit backwards so you could pass the ball forward?

#AskCarrick As a child, did you ever dream of becoming a footballer? What stopped you?

#AskCarrick Be Honest, Do You Ever Include Yourself In Your Fantasy Premier League Team?

#AskCarrick Do you think Welback has really been training too hard on penalty?

#AskCarrick Are you going to reply to any of the #AskCarrick tweets or pass it over to De Gea?

#AskCarrick Do you die a little inside when you're looking for someone to pass to and Tom Cleverley is to your left.

#AskCarrick Do you ever look at Young, Cleverly, Smalling, Welbeck & question the point of living?

#AskCarrick Did Cleverly win a competition on the back of a box of cereals to play for MUFC?

#AskCarrick If you had to choose between having

Cleverley as a midfield partner or being stabbed in the

leg, how many stabs would you take?

#AskCarrick Do you get depressed when you see Tom

Cleverley's name on the team sheet and realize you're

gonna have to play with 10 men?

#AskCarrick what's it like to surround yourself with

dead weight like @tomclevz23 ?
 
Damn, Cleverley's taking a proper pummelling at the moment isn't he? Not so long ago he was the fabled saviour of our midfield...

Brutal criticism... but I can't help but giggle.
 
The pass back to your keeper/sideways passing doesn't really make sense. It just seems like "well there's not much we can say to insult Carrick, let's focus on a really insignificant part of his game"
 
The pass back to your keeper/sideways passing doesn't really make sense. It just seems like "well there's not much we can say to insult Carrick, let's focus on a really insignificant part of his game"

It's actually one of the major points of criticism towards him. That he doesn't contribute enough going forward.
 
Look at that , is there anyone dropping off the forward line to give him an option to his right even with the huge amount of room there? Who is he supposed to pass to?

Exactly. They're all just stood in the box or on the flanks. Shocking stuff.
 
It's actually one of the major points of criticism towards him. That he doesn't contribute enough going forward.
That's my problem with Carrick, he's a sort of old-fashioned defensive midfielder whose only job was to win the ball and give it to someone who could do something with it. Modern defensive midfielders need to be a bit more than that, they need to be able to see the opportunities to get forward, provide a bit of a threat to the other team, and even get the occasional goal. Added to that, Carrick is 32 now so is nearing his use-by date. If Moyes is intending building a new team Carrick may well find himself a back-up rather than first choice.
 
I understand the criticism, but last year Carrick was one of the midfielders in Europe with the most forward passes. Admittedly he had a blistering season and is in no way replicating it this year, but I remember the same remark being levelled at him last season when it was absolutely not true.
 
I understand the criticism, but last year Carrick was one of the midfielders in Europe with the most forward passes. Admittedly he had a blistering season and is in no way replicating it this year, but I remember the same remark being levelled at him last season when it was absolutely not true.
Yes, but the number of forward passes means nothing per se. In what area of the field were the forward passes made? You can make a forward pass from your own bye-line. And what was the effect of those forward passes? Did they hurt the opposition or was he just giving the ball to someone else?

He may have had a good season last year but that was last year and time moves on.
 
I think carrick could do more going forward and certainly passes up the opportunity to shoot too often but I think too overly criticise him is harsh.

Firstly he's often the most defensive member of our team so naturally he's not going to get up the pitch as often as others do.

Also if he did decide to push on who's going to cover him? When you look at toure when he plays in a two for city there's someone there he can rely on to cover him. For us clev, jones and giggs are often out of position and generally already ahead of carrick.

He's not the sort of midfielder who will pick up the ball and power past people, he probably could do more carrying the ball but its not our style, but there are other ways we could chose to play that would allow him to get in the game.

Scholes didn't carry the ball he got forward either off the ball and as I said above carrick is often the more defensive player, or he got forward by being able to play a short forward pass and running on to the return.

Most times I'd argue that return pass isn't on because either one of the strikers hasn't come short of if they do they're spreading it wide.

So personally whilst I agree that carrick could do more going forward we really don't set up well to allow it nor do we have a functioning midfield partnership to allow it.

I think carrick often gets stick because people look at other teams and what their midfield as a whole is doing and then want him to do that. But as I said tey have at least one and in some cases two people to share all the midfield tasks with. He's already chief defender and playmaker in the middle, no one else is sharing the burden with him fully, i'd say if players should be getting stick for it then it should be the players who play with him.

But even then as I said they'd benefit from having someone just ahead of them, between them and the striker, I think as a team we'd benefit from that if someone played that position every game.
 
Yes, but the number of forward passes means nothing per se. In what area of the field were the forward passes made? You can make a forward pass from your own bye-line. And what was the effect of those forward passes? Did they hurt the opposition or was he just giving the ball to someone else?

He may have had a good season last year but that was last year and time moves on.
Well last year a lot of his forward passes were indeed dangerous passes, right into the fight of forward players and taking out one or a couple of lines of defence in the process.

But you're right, that was last year, which was a great one for him, this year is very subpar. I'm not going to argue to the contrary!
 
For me Carrick is playing too deep. Often like a 3rd CB which only serves to increase the size big gaping hole between the midfield and our forwards. I obviously can't speak for him, but he seems very reluctant to push up and get forward to provide support, erring on the side of caution more often than not and hanging back. His role has definitely changed imo. His defence splitting passes were probably my highlight (or one of them) of last season. He would slice through the oppositions midfield frequently and supply the forwards. The shackles needs to come off imo because he should be running our passing still ad controlling the midfield as he did on his own at times last season.
 
BBC Football Focus just did it's 95 round up. Cantona's kung fu. Hansen's "you can't win anything with kids." And Michael Carrick just about to sign his first contract. :D
 
How's that then? From a guy playing in a midfield 2 more often than not I expect a bit more than just defensive contributions.

He does make more than just a defensive contribution, but that's his primary job.
 
For me Carrick is playing too deep. Often like a 3rd CB which only serves to increase the size big gaping hole between the midfield and our forwards. I obviously can't speak for him, but he seems very reluctant to push up and get forward to provide support, erring on the side of caution more often than not and hanging back. His role has definitely changed imo. His defence splitting passes were probably my highlight (or one of them) of last season. He would slice through the oppositions midfield frequently and supply the forwards. The shackles needs to come off imo because he should be running our passing still ad controlling the midfield as he did on his own at times last season.

More like his "midfield splitting passes" but yeah I definitely agree with you on that one, it's something we've missed big time this season. The quick passing from a defensive midfield position to the forwards.
 
I don't know if it's coincidence or something, but his attitude/mentality looked much better than usually this season where he was happy to leave it to others to create or take responsibility, you rarely see him taking so many long shots like he did today, if anything, I think he had more shots today than he usually has in 15 games. Long passing was also very good. Who knows, maybe that #AskCarrick thing really affected him.

Anyway, good game IMO, and nice goal(even though it was bit deflected).
 
Yes I agree, his goal aside he did look like he had a lot of urgency today and did look up for it from the start firing passes around at pace.
 
Agree, he did look better today however there was one bit of play which really summed up his, and our entire squads season. During the first half, there was a moment where Fulham lost the ball in the middle of the park, I think Rooney recovered it actually, and it fell to Carrick. Young was in acres of space just waiting to be let free, and Carrick did play him in, however there was a slight hesitation before he hit the ball, as if he didn't trust himself to do it. Could be reading into it too much, but it looked like he didn't want to do something wrong.
 
One of his best games this season. 8 shots! More than Rooney or RvP!
More of his passes through the centre would be nice though. He too is mostly getting the ball wide as it's obviously been drilled into all our lads.
 
One of his best games this season. 8 shots! More than Rooney or RvP!
More of his passes through the centre would be nice though. He too is mostly getting the ball wide as it's obviously been drilled into all our lads.

You need players making themselves available to pass it through the middle though in fairness. RVP/Rooney were going straight in the box as soon as we got near their third.
 
You need players making themselves available to pass it through the middle though in fairness. RVP/Rooney were going straight in the box as soon as we got near their third.
We also needed more space and having so much possession allowed Fulham to get set in their defensive positions. Allowing them the ball in innocuous areas would have forced them out their box and created spaces. I do remember maybe the one time Carrick tried one of those passes into the crowded Fulham box and it simply bounced off one of their players and back to him. I wasn't blaming him, I think it was a good performance given the circumstances.
 
He was a lot better today, though Fulham sat off so much it was impossible for him not to press forwards.
 
He was a lot better today, though Fulham sat off so much it was impossible for him not to press forwards.
Yeah I noticed it, made a comment about it in the match day thread too. Showed some balls and was passing it around quickly and with purpose, actually running forwards and tried to make things happen. One of the very few. Deserved his goal.
 
We also needed more space and having so much possession allowed Fulham to get set in their defensive positions. Allowing them the ball in innocuous areas would have forced them out their box and created spaces. I do remember maybe the one time Carrick tried one of those passes into the crowded Fulham box and it simply bounced off one of their players and back to him. I wasn't blaming him, I think it was a good performance given the circumstances.

Yeah, I was just making the point that the whole get it wide thing is as much to do with how Rooney/RVP play as it is the midfield. For all the talk of them being 9.5s they're both being told to push forward a lot and it's not helping things.
 
I'm surprised he doesn't shoot more often. He's got such a clean strike. Hopefully he finds consistency from now until the end of the season.
 
Yeah, I was just making the point that the whole get it wide thing is as much to do with how Rooney/RVP play as it is the midfield. For all the talk of them being 9.5s they're both being told to push forward a lot and it's not helping things.
Yeah, I said this to my Dad. MoneyMay had a few graphics of it in an old tactics thread iirc, they both make the same runs in behind the oppositions defence when at least one should be in the 'hole'. The issue isn't them though imo they're not playing like that because they feel like it. They spread the ball wide and run in behind waiting to get on the end of the cross. It's the shit crossing tactics and it suits neither of them.
 
I applaud him for having the audacity to go against Moyes' Jurassic approach and playing several incisive, cutting balls through the middle.
 
Yeah, I said this to my Dad. MoneyMay had a few graphics of it in an old tactics thread iirc, they both make the same runs in behind the oppositions defence when at least one should be in the 'hole'. The issue isn't them though imo they're not playing like that because they feel like it. They spread the ball wide and run in behind waiting to get on the end of the cross. It's the shit crossing tactics and it suits neither of them.

Oh yeah I agree it looks like that's how they're being told to play. I had been thinking slightly that it might be a case of Rooney wanting to play as a striker as well but seeing him seem happy enough to drop to cm when required I don't think that's the case, I think it's Moyes drove and thats just frustrating. It doesn't suit anyone bar Young/Valencia, two of our worst players over these last two seasons (though Young was alright today). That's the most stupid thing.

Without one of them dropping it just means both are starved of good service as we can't attack centrally well as Carrick can't use his central passing too full affect, they can't use their creativity and we can't really bring Mata in to the best areas for him to influence.
 
Michael Carrick claims the reaction that followed what he thought was the winner on Sunday proves Man United's players care about their plight.

Instead of three precious points and a platform from which to mount a concerted charge towards a top four place, Carrick's goal merely ended up being the prelude to more misery as Darren Bent's injury-time leveller sent the hosts spinning to what even David Moyes admitted was their lowest point yet.

After all that has gone before, dropping two points at home to a team adrift at the bottom of the table, coached by the man who was part of Sir Alex Ferguson's backroom team for six years, looks set to cause more worry for United fans.

At the very least, the £20million they would expect to pocket from the Champions League looks like being lost, given United are now nine points behind fourth-placed Liverpool.

Players' future - that go far beyond skipper Nemanja Vidic, who has already announced his intention to quit in the summer - are on the line, whilst Moyes himself is suddenly under extreme scrutiny as the chronic form continues.

The sight of Carrick being swamped by ecstatic team-mates following his 80th-minute goal, and Wayne Rooney on his knees in triumph emphasised the depth of feeling amongst the United squad though.

"Of course the players care," said Carrick.

"It is the pride we have in ourselves and each other.

"No-one wants to go through a spell when people are questioning you and things are going wrong.

"We have had enough success over the years that we retain a belief in ourselves even when things are not going so well.

"We keep trying to do the right things, and in the end, you think it will pay off for you.

"We thought it had but it wasn't to be.

"It isn't for the want of trying. It is not a case of not caring. We care just as much, if not more, than anybody else."

The fear for Moyes must be that frustration will eventually boil over.

Javier Hernandez's cryptic Instagram posting: "The time to speak about so many things will come..." does not hint at a positive development given the Mexican has been relegated to the fringes this season.

Rio Ferdinand, meanwhile, has started just one game in two months, and stated recently he was fully fit, so his private thoughts would be interesting.

Even the good bits are causing problems.

The club record £37.1million arrival of Juan Mata from Chelsea was hailed as a master-stroke.

Yet fitting Mata into a team shape that also includes Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie seems to have stifled all three men to some extent.

Adnan Januzaj - United's player of the season - has been sparingly used of late and all those crosses, an incredible 81 against Fulham, rather than an indication of a team's strength, actually shows up a chronic weakness given a club of that standing should be capable of playing through even the most congested of defences, to create an element of confusion at the very least.

The muddled approach highlights the obvious flaws.

United's defence, so often the cornerstone of success, is now creaking badly, their midfield lacks bite no matter who is deployed there.

Seeing currently injured Marouane Fellaini being escorted through Old Trafford to carry out a corporate demand indicates Moyes' approach to the transfer market has not worked either.

The result just heaps even more pressure on Moyes, who has been consistently backed by the United hierarchy.

"We thought it was going to turn," said Carrick.

"We have thought that all season. We still believe it will but it seems like setback after setback at the moment.

"We have had success over the years. You have to deal with the down times as well.

"It has been a tough season and we are not in a very good position in the league.

"We will pick ourselves up. That is what we do. That is the business we are in."


http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/9160808/Carrick-hits-back-at-snipers
 
Felt he's been one of our least productive players this half, he's given the ball away quite a few times with rubbish forwards balls. It is however a game of 2 halves.
 
Felt he's been one of our least productive players this half, he's given the ball away quite a few times with rubbish forwards balls. It is however a game of 2 halves.

Weird. I came in here to post how good he was, with the amount of good defensive work he has done for us.