True, personally feel a lot of the more wayward passes were tough balls that he took on to try and make stuff happen and passes where he tried to nick in ahead of someone making it tougher. Not his best passing display but don't think it was poor. As you said though very good defensively.
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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True, personally feel a lot of the more wayward passes were tough balls that he took on to try and make stuff happen and passes where he tried to nick in ahead of someone making it tougher. Not his best passing display but don't think it was poor. As you said though very good defensively.
His passing was off because he tried many adventures, that first time pass on his left foot to RVP in the second was truly amazing. The fecking roulette 
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ZidanesqueTo be fair defensively it was made very easy for him, but I didn't think his passing was that bad considering that he was trying to get the ball through or around the opposition defence a lot more than he usually would (woner if he's been told to or it as just that type of game?)
He did hit some really good balls. A couple to Young which should have resulted in good chances. One in the second half that sort of curved in behind both the Palace defenders. That turn in the first half was excellent as well.
He's done enough to put to bed this idea that him starting previous seasons slowly was some unavoidable thing.
He did hit some really good balls. A couple to Young which should have resulted in good chances. One in the second half that sort of curved in behind both the Palace defenders. That turn in the first half was excellent as well.
He's done enough to put to bed this idea that him starting previous seasons slowly was some unavoidable thing.
Someone said Carrick was average in the Young thread, so I decided to make this:
Good work mate.
Thanks, Amar.
A lot of his interceptions are just static. I was discussing with a mate last night who said his 'defense was spectacular and why doesn't he do it more often'. I said if you watch closeley it's not as though he has to go to a piece of play and intercept. A lot of the time it's him standing in his zone or tracking in his zone and people just try to pass through him. His reactions are great though and it is great defending so I am not taking that away from him.
As soon as Fellaini came on he no longer had to be static and it showed instantly in that quick little period that Carrick was more free. More room to move and to stand off players with someone else pressuring the ball. This is going to suit him immensely I think and I am looking forward to it.
The bit about him basically being lucky that they kick the ball at him is utter nonsense. His "zone" is about 240 square meters. It's his exemplary reading of play that gets him into those positions.
On top of that his timing is superb, not just in the tackle but for interceptions, move to early and the opposition player will read what you are going to do and choose another option, move too late and you miss the ball. He constantly waits for just the right time and snaps into the position at the ideal moment. That's not a fluke of him just being there.
It's not luck, it's an excellent football brain and an ability to read the game and anticipate where the ball is going to be played.
ghaliboy seems to be obsessed with this notion that in order to defend you have to run around and tackle everyone all the time.
ghaliboy seems to be obsessed with this notion that in order to defend you have to run around and tackle everyone all the time.
I missed a few interceptions?
Cause that's what I said wasn't it. Tit.
You said he's just standing in his zone and people try to pass through him, insinuating that there's a massive element of luck.
I pointed out that his "zone" is huge and it's down to his reading of play and positioning rather than just being there at the right time because he's a midfielder and that's where he is supposed to stand.
I wasn't saying it was luck at all. It's his static positioning in his zone which makes his interceptions valuable.
Watch the video Money May posted above 4 out of the interceptions he hardly moved and they tried to pass by him but couldn't because of his reactions. A couple of them were great bits of play reading which I commended him for subsequently due to it actually being a valuable skill.
To which I then added having someone who is going to be mobile protecting the back four and allowing him to also be mobile is going to be valuable in raising his game another level (if there is one for him at the moment).
Chill the feck out, we both like Carrick.
Consider me "chilled the feck out" after my last two outbursts.
Yep, you missed 3 or 4. Right after watching your video, I rewatched the whole game because I didn't watch most of it on saturday, I had problems with streams/internet that day.
You're alright pex.
I was working on a megapost to highlight the fact that it is his static position that hinders the partnership with Anderson and Cleverley. But when Fellaini came on it was kind of the same thing except Carrick dared to be a little more adventurous. When he is playing as the most DM of the pair he tends to not really play more than 'safe' and '1%ers'. There were a couple of signs that the combinations of Fellaini and Carrick will differ in a more defensive pattern that will really aid our CB's to play tighter and our fullbacks to play more advanced.
Rooney and probably Kagawa don't play your usual ball carrying no10 so it will be interesting to see from her. I reckon it has just the right balance to accommodate wing play and direct no10 ball carrying (or what Rooney brings in that regard).
I didn't miss anything. According to the official stats, he completed 2/2 tackles and 10/10 interceptions, all of which are included in the video.
I wasn't saying it was luck at all. It's his static positioning in his zone which makes his interceptions valuable.
Watch the video Money May posted above 4 out of the interceptions he hardly moved and they tried to pass by him but couldn't because of his reactions. A couple of them were great bits of play reading which I commended him for subsequently due to it actually being a valuable skill.
To which I then added having someone who is going to be mobile protecting the back four and allowing him to also be mobile is going to be valuable in raising his game another level (if there is one for him at the moment).
Chill the feck out, we both like Carrick.
I think when you said "static" it could be interpreted as Carrick being slow or even lazy, I know it's a bit stupid to think like that but it's how it could be understood. His anticipation is spot on so he doesn't have to run a lot to make interceptions and I'm sure that's why you more or less meant.
When I say 'static' I mean someone who doesn't move the ball at feet and move with the play. To me it's the opposite of a pass and move player. (Cleverley)
If you're defending in your 'static' zone then it basically means you don't really run and press players in all different spots of the pitch you mark the space in your zone and read play. Like Carrick does very well.
If you're defending in your 'static' zone then it basically means you don't really run and press players in all different spots of the pitch you mark the space in your zone and read play. Like Carrick does very well.
I swear I noticed few more rewatching the game, including the one at the beggining in first few minutes.
I don't think he's at the top of his game yet, which augurs well, as a lot of people are saying they thought he was great against Palace.
Thought he was okay. Passing was at times very good but other times poor. Defensively he was very strong but crystal palace were a joke in that department.
I'm reading that his pass completion was way down in the mid-seventies, which is why I thought he wasn't at his best. That's no where near his usual level. Even when he's being adventurous, he's capable of correctly placing 10% more of his passes.
Still has a problem with fast counter attacking football. The stability of the midfield and/or the awareness with his players around him there is still a problem there.
Any team that plays aggressively and fast through the middle gives us problems, been that way for years. Carrick's game isn't suited to facing that, so it's not something I'd criticise him too harshly on.
I did post this before too.
- Last seasons was one of Carrick's best and we had the worst Goals Against amongst the Top 4 teams.
- The season before was one of mediocrity for Carrick and we had the 2nd best Goals Against in the league.
Carrick as a DM and/or bringing defensive stability is a myth.
He also does not feature high in the creative departement and/or goals/assist tables.
Start figuring!
- Last seasons was one of Carrick's best and we had the worst Goals Against amongst the Top 4 teams.
- The season before was one of mediocrity for Carrick and we had the 2nd best Goals Against in the league.
Carrick as a DM and/or bringing defensive stability is a myth.
He also does not feature high in the creative departement and/or goals/assist tables.
Start figuring!
One doesn't need stats to see something obvious.
The season before last season was not one of mediocrity. Come Christmas, he was playing very well. He brings defensive stability because of his positioning, which is top notch. He can struggle against quick, technical players though. He makes a lot of vital interceptions and invisible play that is very important in terms of setting the tempo.
This is what most of the thread reads like...figuritive theoritical talk. I would equate defensive stability to goals scored against us. You cant say we are defensively stable when we keep leaking goals, right? No stats prove that when Carrick is playing we let in less goals.
How can one control the tempo when he struggles against quick players? Doesn't make sense at all!
Give him lots of space and don't push him much and he can control the game...and that does not say much for him, right?
Scholes struggled individually against quick players too - no doubt he was able to set the tempo in a match - it makes perfect sense. It's about when to play the long ball, when to slow down the game, when to play quick one-twos.
The game is not always about individual traits, it's also about what you bring to the team. Carrick often had to form a one-man midfield - it's not easy to defend against that. When our defense at times looked like it was leaking like good old Titanic, you couldn't expect Carrick, from midfield, to rectify all that. I really like stats, but they only tell half the story, at best.
- Last season we conceded 27 of our 43 goals in 2012 - where it is well documented we were having loads of problems with our back 4. If you discount the utterly ridiculous 5-5 draw at WBA, We conceded 11 goals in 17 games at the back end of 2013, which is brilliant really.
Considering the defensive frailities, and Carrick was often our only man in midfield last season, to use goals conceded as a reflection of his defensive play is daft.... when it's quite clear to anyone with eyes, who watches us, that his defensive work is excellent, and his reading of the game from a defensive stand-point is one of the strongest parts of his game.
- Carrick wasn't mediocre in 11/12, he was generally excellent - and the general caf consensus would agree https://www.redcafe.net/threads/seasons-ratings.353683/
So basically, you're wrong.
Yeah, defensive stability is all down to one man, the defensive midfielder. Centre-backs and full-backs are just there to make up the numbers, chill out on the lawn a bit, have a few drinks.
How's about we decide the idea that De Gea is a competent goalkeeper is a myth? After all, he was the closest United player every time one of those goals was scored. Not good enough, Dave. Must try harder.
If we leak goals, then the defenders are at fault. If we have no creativity, then forwards are at fault. What exactly is Carrick contribution at both ends? He needs to support the defence when needed and that clearly is not happening.
Again, I have not seen him 'dominate' the midfield against any top opponents recently. People watch the last match and say Yaya was immense in the midfield. When was the last time someone said that of Carrick (against a top 4 opponent)?
Don't take this the wrong way but I'm not sure you really understand how football works.
Last season Carrick was immense in pretty much every match - he even bossed Yaya physicall at one point. I seriously have difficulties understanding your arguments at this point.
Awful goalie that. I also think that Hart was rubbish for letting in Rooney's goal - obviously it was the walls fault.
So because Carrick doesn't charge around the pitch like a man possessed he isn't playing well in big games? Right....
Carrick hasn't made the best start to this season... that's fair enough, but that dosen't mean you should rewrite history/his skill-set.
No, he did not!
Yaya is not being praise for being a man possessed, right? He does so for the individual impact he had on the match. Carrick does not do that. I'm not saying Carrick is ineffective, just that he does not turn up for all the big matches. His performance also seems to degrade everytime opponents play a fast pressing game.
I don't know, maybe if Fellaini is instructed to take the ball forward, then our midfield might be better.