It's no surprise that he is getting the praise he deserves when he is playing like this. It's a shame when some fans think there is some conspiracy against some of our players which leads to them being underrated. When they put in the performances, as Carrick has the past 3-4 months and for long periods last season, plaudits will inevitably follow.
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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Some fecking post this is.Absolutely well written and true.
That pass to RVP he mentioned was absolute peach, truly something else
Does anybody make compilation videos of outstanding performances because that first half display was unreal. Wouldn't mind seeing a comp made of yesterday's game and the Swansea one a few week ago.s
When exactly did this run of brilliant form start? I'm trying to get it straight in my head. I've got an Arsenal supporting mate who, typically, doesn't rate Carrick (he thinks Arteta's the better player 
). And I always make this argument about him taking two or three months to hit top gear, but then I can never remember exactly when it happens in order to find match reports and the like to back myself up.
). And I always make this argument about him taking two or three months to hit top gear, but then I can never remember exactly when it happens in order to find match reports and the like to back myself up.IMO his good form started against Arsenal.
When exactly did this run of brilliant form start? I'm trying to get it straight in my head. I've got an Arsenal supporting mate who, typically, doesn't rate Carrick (he thinks Arteta's the better player
I made the above post on the 28th November, so about a month and a half or so.
Yeah, it was way before then.
no it wasn't. You only have to go back to around page 153 to see people 'finally' claiming Carrick played well, which was on the 1st December.
Maybe not our best player but our most important? I think so
I'd definitely agree that he's our most important player. If he were to get injured, I'd really fear for us.
If he's out, we'd be fecked more than with every other player imo. Especially since we dont have an adequate cover like we'd have for Vidic for example
I think the West Ham game was a very good example of how open, vulnerable and poor we'd look without him in midfield.
Out?? Hope bloody not, we need him against Spurs-without doubt our most important player!!
Gotta love this dude, who's already worked himself into a discussion for United legend status IMHO.
What a shame for England that he's never been given a chance to establish himself as a national team regular. Sure, Lampard and Gerrard have seen to that, but it seems to me that taking a pass (or piss) on Carrick has been a huge mistake by the various managers who've "managed" England over the last 6-8 years.
What a shame for England that he's never been given a chance to establish himself as a national team regular. Sure, Lampard and Gerrard have seen to that, but it seems to me that taking a pass (or piss) on Carrick has been a huge mistake by the various managers who've "managed" England over the last 6-8 years.
I watched one of those players vs staff challenges on MUTV the other day. Knocking targets down, landing the ball in a basket etc etc. You should see how easy it is for Carrick, he can put the ball wherever he wants at pace, no problem.
That's why he should never be judged as just a defensive midfielder, if that's all he's doing it's a betrayal to his talent.
That's why he should never be judged as just a defensive midfielder, if that's all he's doing it's a betrayal to his talent.
Agreed. I don't even know who SAF would have in mind to play in his position.
Inevitably Carrick will be injured suspended for a huge game or two this season and we'll be fecked.
He's always been great.
Too bad he had some bad form after an injury and was unfairly blamed for the CL defeats when he was outnumbered in midfield and Fergie and the staff fecked up royally with tactics and selection BOTH times.
Too bad he had some bad form after an injury and was unfairly blamed for the CL defeats when he was outnumbered in midfield and Fergie and the staff fecked up royally with tactics and selection BOTH times.
Ando would be the first pick, it seems to me, to cover for Carrick in the event that's necessary.
You could go with Jones if you want a more defensive look, but I actually think Ando's best future lies in one that emulates Carrick. Whether he's got it in him to succeed Carrick down the road is, however, far from certain.
You could go with Jones if you want a more defensive look, but I actually think Ando's best future lies in one that emulates Carrick. Whether he's got it in him to succeed Carrick down the road is, however, far from certain.
I agree with your reasoning, however with everyone other than Carrick fit I'd have Cleverley doing Carrick's job and let Anderson free to link up with everyone and drifting out of midfield (as we see Cleverley do). I feel he has more discipline than Anderson, and as we saw against West Ham the other night, he's a forceful central midfielder whereas we know Tom can steady the ship in the middle.
Think about it this way, if Carrick got injured long-term, the closest CM to being as reliable(at the moment) would be Tom Cleverly. Then Scholes(because he's limited in the amount of games he can play) and then the injury ridden Anderson.
Then you have the likes of Giggs, Rooney, Jones and Powell, who can put in shifts.
Then you have the likes of Giggs, Rooney, Jones and Powell, who can put in shifts.
With Fletcher out and Carrick being our only defensive midfielder it appears this is an area we need to strengthen in Jan.
Lets hope Carrick remains fit but just in case we do need someone just as good to replace him if he does get injured.
Lets hope Carrick remains fit but just in case we do need someone just as good to replace him if he does get injured.
I think it's time for him to thunder in a ball from 40 meters. It's very sad to see the attacking side of Carrick not being fully used. Why can they not find him in that inside left position where he puts it to the far left of the keeper.
That pass is the grounded version beckhams cross to Brazilian Ronaldo
outstanding pass. Seen him do loads of quality through balls similar to that recently. He's so underrated outside of united.
I agree, and if you look at my post over the years this has been my sentiments all along. He is a really great player and we are lucky to have him. Right now, there is a generation shift amongst English player, but he is the one stable force. What a player.
He divides opinions like no other player on the planet. He'll never be a 'legend' for that reason. There is no doubting he's a vital cog in our squad at the moment but not even other's really rate him. (Not that it matters).
He divides opinions like no other player on the planet. He'll never be a 'legend' for that reason. There is no doubting he's a vital cog in our squad at the moment but not even other's really rate him. (Not that it matters).
Can I compare Carrick to Albertini? For casual Milan watcher (like me), Albertini wasn't that special to be a central midfielder for one of the all time best team. But 8+ seasons as Milan's mainstay midfielder, means he must be an excellent player in his own right.
Is this sudden media love-in with Michael Carrick all because Gary Neville picked him in his team of the season on his Monday Night Football Xmas special? Because I don't really remember any articles gushing about him before, but now there seems to be a few every week.
I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves of late though, no matter how it has come about because while he will never be mister spectacular as he is neither a flair player nor does he physically impose himself on a game, he is not the paciest either but he is so important to our midfield and is at the crux of almost everything.
Scholes was more highly rated in Europe than he was here and apparently it's the same with Carrick. It's a shame players like these are overlooked here and their under fulfilled England careers are no doubt a reflection of that. The fact that Henderson and Downing were preferred to go to the Euros ahead if Carrick sums it up really.
I was singing Carrick's praises to my workmate a couple of weeks ago, and he looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. He's a united fan but he just doesn't see Carricks importance at all and I don't think he's alone.
I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves of late though, no matter how it has come about because while he will never be mister spectacular as he is neither a flair player nor does he physically impose himself on a game, he is not the paciest either but he is so important to our midfield and is at the crux of almost everything.
Scholes was more highly rated in Europe than he was here and apparently it's the same with Carrick. It's a shame players like these are overlooked here and their under fulfilled England careers are no doubt a reflection of that. The fact that Henderson and Downing were preferred to go to the Euros ahead if Carrick sums it up really.
I was singing Carrick's praises to my workmate a couple of weeks ago, and he looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. He's a united fan but he just doesn't see Carricks importance at all and I don't think he's alone.
He divides opinions like no other player on the planet. He'll never be a 'legend' for that reason. There is no doubting he's a vital cog in our squad at the moment but not even other's really rate him. (Not that it matters).
Carrick is, and has been, far more more than a "vital cog" in the squad.
Is it mere coincidence that after Fergie picked Carrick we went onto win the league, again and again and again...even after Ronaldo left? We've won four of the last six leage trophies and lost out by a whisker in the other two. Three CL final appearances, bagging it once. Carrick has been instrumental to our success during the last six years, arguably the greatest six year run in United's history. Some of us might wish to consider appreciating him.
"Vital cog"?
Carrick is, and has been, far more more than a "vital cog" in the squad.
Is it mere coincidence that after Fergie picked Carrick we went onto win the league, again and again and again...even after Ronaldo left? We've won four of the last six leage trophies and lost out by a whisker in the other two. Three CL final appearances, bagging it once. Carrick has been instrumental to our success during the last six years, arguably the greatest six year run in United's history. Some of us might wish to consider appreciating him.
"Vital cog"?
Well, he has been a vital cog. A staple as well. A mainstay and a contributor to our success too. However, I just don't see Carrick as a legend. He's been a great player and one we will talk about highly when his career has ended. For now, he'd have to have a few more amazing, trophy laden seasons and a couple of spectacular, match winning moments to be mentioned as a legend.
The bar is indeed high. If Ronaldo can't cut it as a United legend, Carrick won't either.
Mere cog? No.
Carrick's best campaign
Michael Carrick is having his best season since joining Manchester United, according to Sir Alex Ferguson.
The 31-year-old midfielder has been in majestic form and showed his value to the team in a cameo performance against his former club West Ham in midweek.
With the next fixture against another of his old sides, the 2006 signing from Tottenham will aim to continue to impress and keep the Reds flying high at the top of the Barclays Premier League table.
"I think he's been magnificent," enthused Sir Alex. "It's his best-ever season at the club and he's commanding that position. He's doing absolutely brilliantly.
"Even when he came on against West Ham, he helped ease us through the last 20 minutes. Good players do that. He came on and settled us down."
Incredibly, in all Carrick's time at the club, only one team has gained more points from a season than United - Chelsea, in 2010, when they pipped the Reds to the title by a point. Current champions Manchester City were, of course, only crowned on goal difference.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...l-carrick-is-having-his-best-ever-season.aspx
Michael Carrick is having his best season since joining Manchester United, according to Sir Alex Ferguson.
The 31-year-old midfielder has been in majestic form and showed his value to the team in a cameo performance against his former club West Ham in midweek.
With the next fixture against another of his old sides, the 2006 signing from Tottenham will aim to continue to impress and keep the Reds flying high at the top of the Barclays Premier League table.
"I think he's been magnificent," enthused Sir Alex. "It's his best-ever season at the club and he's commanding that position. He's doing absolutely brilliantly.
"Even when he came on against West Ham, he helped ease us through the last 20 minutes. Good players do that. He came on and settled us down."
Incredibly, in all Carrick's time at the club, only one team has gained more points from a season than United - Chelsea, in 2010, when they pipped the Reds to the title by a point. Current champions Manchester City were, of course, only crowned on goal difference.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...l-carrick-is-having-his-best-ever-season.aspx
I get this a lot. There's a United fan at work I speak to who basically just spews the "all Carrick ever does is pass backwards" line, even though the stats prove that to be untrue. I almost expect him to be under-rated by the Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea fans I speak too but not the United ones.
I remember just after the first game of the Euros (v France, where England had virtually no control of the ball or possession as they just kept giving it away in midfield) I uploaded a picture of the back of 2 United shirts - one with Scholes 18 and one with Carrick 16 - along with the caption of something like "I wonder what England were missing tonight....". The responses I got from fans of varying clus were basically along the lines of "Scholes, ok... Carrick?! Are you serious?" To which I obviously thought well Carrick had outperformed even the great Paul Scholes that season, how could people not see how he would be a better option than Scott fecking Parker?!
Since then I've just pretty much accepted that people don't rate him. Like the article says, give him a Spanish name and knock a couple inches of his height and he'd be lauded by everyone.
"Vital cog"?
"Is it mere coincidence that after Fergie picked Carrick we went onto win the league, again and again and again...even after Ronaldo left? We've won four of the last six leage trophies and lost out by a whisker in the other two. Three CL final appearances, bagging it once. Carrick has been instrumental to our success during the last six years, arguably the greatest six year run in United's history. Some of us might wish to consider appreciating him."
You pretty much described 'vital cog' right there
I am not having a go at you and Michael, it's not the fact that not many other fans rate him as well as our own fans. I just don't think you could ever get our entire fanbase to agree that he's a 'legend'. A tonne of people hate him.
Hate? That's pretty strong. I know United fans that don't rate him, but they are idiots and think Sneijder should replace him in our team and think he's crap because he doesn't pass forward enough and score goals.
Listening to this week's Rant Cast, they discussed Carrick and said that he was outstanding against Liverpool for about 60 minutes and then overrun for the final half an hour. What do you lot make of that?
I don't necessarily disagree with the observation, but I thought it was tactical as opposed to Carrick going into hiding. Ferguson's substitutions were geared towards holding out for the 2-1 win, and we ceded control of the game having been dominant. I don't think Carrick or Cleverley can be accused of allowing the game to get away from them. Personally felt that we failed to react to Rodgers' switch.
I don't necessarily disagree with the observation, but I thought it was tactical as opposed to Carrick going into hiding. Ferguson's substitutions were geared towards holding out for the 2-1 win, and we ceded control of the game having been dominant. I don't think Carrick or Cleverley can be accused of allowing the game to get away from them. Personally felt that we failed to react to Rodgers' switch.
I agree completely. Harsh to blame Carrick or Cleverley for what was clearly a deliberate tactical decision by SAF.