Very ignorant statement.
AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope
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First of all I very much enjoyed the Neville interview. Not perfect and Moh was certainly a little annoying but it kept me entertained enough that I'd have been happy for it to have run on longer than it did. It would have been good to have seen Gary challenged a little further on his own views on Wenger and whether he truly believes that he is still the right man for the job. Good to see them have a laugh and friendly handshake at the end too.
Secondly I'm surprised more hasn't been made of DT calling Ty and Ginger Chris a pair of cnuts (twice no less!) after the Bayern debacle. I wonder if there will be some kind of fallout from it if and when they are interviewed after the following match.
Secondly I'm surprised more hasn't been made of DT calling Ty and Ginger Chris a pair of cnuts (twice no less!) after the Bayern debacle. I wonder if there will be some kind of fallout from it if and when they are interviewed after the following match.
I take it you know the circumstances I'm talking about, right? Because if not, it would be, you know, very ignorant of you.
What a waste of an interview with Gary Neville. Just the Arsenal fans repeating the same thing over and over again.
DT was the most articulate. Moh was absolutely laughable, ,comes across as an overly sensitive pseudo intellectual. Same as in his interviews.
Fair play to Gary for talking to them but they wasted the opportunity to repeatedly talk about the idiot/embarrassing comments which he'd already explained.
Also didn't like their "we want more respect " stuff, fair enough you want to be respected but that doesn't mean others are obliged to respect your form of media.
Fair play to Gary for talking to them but they wasted the opportunity to repeatedly talk about the idiot/embarrassing comments which he'd already explained.
Also didn't like their "we want more respect " stuff, fair enough you want to be respected but that doesn't mean others are obliged to respect your form of media.
Surprised to see people say that Neville looked like he was struggling. Looked very comfortable to me and the Arsenal fans had almost nothing to say. I definitely agree that ArsenalFanTV is the best fans' channel by some distance but I don't think this interview was great. They should have sorted the comments made by Neville within about three minutes and then cracked on to discuss his views on Wenger, Arsenal, the increasing divide between fans and their clubs etc. but it kind of just went nowhere.
Also, DT was excellent. Just after games he comes across as slightly patronising at times but overall I think he speaks a lot of sense. Same story with Troopz really, take out the slang and he does make some good sense. It is the first time I've ever seen that Moh guy and hopefully the last and as for Claude, I don't think he's ever brought that much to the table but I can't help but really like the fact that he's a big part of the channel given his personal issues. It is definitely for the best that Ty wasn't invited because while you can see in the rest of them that they can speak sense when it comes down to it, you just know that Ty definitely can't. He would have made them look foolish and I think Robbie probably knew that.
On a sidenote, it'd be pretty cool to see FullTimeDevils sort themselves out. ArsenalFanTV have shown (admittedly maybe for some of the wrong reasons) the reach that a good channel can have and it'd be really cool to have a situation where my first instinct is to switch on FullTimeDevils after a game. Howson is shocking. He's unbelievably arrogant and is so sure within himself that he knows everything. The rest of them, in my opinion are all just 'okay'. They just don't have much to say that I'd find in any way interesting. Maybe in the transfer window we can bring in Robbie and DT.
Also, DT was excellent. Just after games he comes across as slightly patronising at times but overall I think he speaks a lot of sense. Same story with Troopz really, take out the slang and he does make some good sense. It is the first time I've ever seen that Moh guy and hopefully the last and as for Claude, I don't think he's ever brought that much to the table but I can't help but really like the fact that he's a big part of the channel given his personal issues. It is definitely for the best that Ty wasn't invited because while you can see in the rest of them that they can speak sense when it comes down to it, you just know that Ty definitely can't. He would have made them look foolish and I think Robbie probably knew that.
On a sidenote, it'd be pretty cool to see FullTimeDevils sort themselves out. ArsenalFanTV have shown (admittedly maybe for some of the wrong reasons) the reach that a good channel can have and it'd be really cool to have a situation where my first instinct is to switch on FullTimeDevils after a game. Howson is shocking. He's unbelievably arrogant and is so sure within himself that he knows everything. The rest of them, in my opinion are all just 'okay'. They just don't have much to say that I'd find in any way interesting. Maybe in the transfer window we can bring in Robbie and DT.
Arsenal Fan TV is embarrassing... the overwhelming majority of viewers are oppo fans looking to have a laugh
I'm not really sure what debate was to be had. Arsenal - specifically Wenger - has become an over-blown discussion subject.
Like Gary said - they should start scrutinising the board if they want change so badly. DT to be fair came across well and touched on the communication between fans and board.
We had LUHG and while it didn't cultivate change - the movement and supporters coming together resonated - to the point a Utd player claimed it was distracting https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/22/ben-foster-glazers-manchester-united
AFTV should now use it's popularity to look at the bigger picture.
Embarrassing for who exactly?
I think we've pretty much covered this one now.
The club as a collective. The thing is, they actually make some very good points but it gets drowned out in the meltdowns. Very people actually care about what they say, they want to hear the catchphrases, new quips and fights etc. Ty, DT and Troopz draw considerably more attention than the others do.
Well I didn't get my say on the matter yet. I don't agree with Neville on everything, but the truth is ArsenalFanTV is perceived a comedy show more than a place to hear the voices of Arsenal fans.
I feel for the Arsenal fans (I really don't, but...) - it's like Groundhog Day, every single year. Occasional cup trophy, top 4 finish and round of 16 or 8 Champions League finish - there boom/bust cycle has become more fact than hyperbole.
I also think it is difficult for Neville to understand their frustration. United won everything there was to win, multiple times over a 20 year period. I imagine Neville would change his tune a bit if United went through a 10 years of Groundhog Day.
I also think it is difficult for Neville to understand their frustration. United won everything there was to win, multiple times over a 20 year period. I imagine Neville would change his tune a bit if United went through a 10 years of Groundhog Day.
Fair points. DT arguing on twitter with the fat lad from FullTimeDevils and telling him he'd fight him next time United play Arsenal kills whatever credibility he thinks he has. Just comes across as a flag waving thug idiot.
I do think if you pay your money you should have your opinion, but as you say they seem very aware yet un-self aware at the same time if that makes sense.
In just about every other instance I would agree but this is a unique situation where even Wenger's "boss" has publicly stated Wenger is only answerable to the fans not the board. Logical, thoughtful fan opinions would never get 1/50th of the views the Blud Fam rants get.
How does it go?
We got Ozil,
Mesut Ozil
I just don't think you understand
He's a wired eyed man
He's shitter then Zidane
We got Mesut Ozil
A good piece of TV, Neville did well and a chance for relatively unsophisticated fans media wise to have their say.
I think Neville was respectful as they were to him. It shows the appeal potentially of real fans over pundits. Let's face it, MOTD and its pundits are boring.
The thing that got me was Robbie saying win or lose, their post match videos get 12 million hits.
Incredible, terrestrial and satellite TV must see that as a threat. They get nothing like that audience.
As for Arsenal Fan TV, they can only now go from strength to strength.
Well done Gary Neville showcasing his employers brand new competitor.
I think Neville was respectful as they were to him. It shows the appeal potentially of real fans over pundits. Let's face it, MOTD and its pundits are boring.
The thing that got me was Robbie saying win or lose, their post match videos get 12 million hits.
Incredible, terrestrial and satellite TV must see that as a threat. They get nothing like that audience.
As for Arsenal Fan TV, they can only now go from strength to strength.
Well done Gary Neville showcasing his employers brand new competitor.
"Even if I go, Arsenal will not win every single game in the future. It is not like before I arrived Arsenal had won five times in the European Cup.
Amazing stuff
Read more quotes from him and it's even worse and more damning.
“As much as it hurts to lose games, if you look at the history of Arsenal, the club had less Champions League games when I arrived than I had in my career already,”
And I hope in the future that we can win this trophy — or that Arsenal can win this trophy — but it’s not like before I arrived that Arsenal had won the European Cup five times. They had never won it. And they had played maybe 10 games in the history of the club. So you have to have some perspective.”
Sounds a lot like LVG in his last season with 'fans expectations being too high' and what not.
It's not TV but I get your point. Online advertising is shaking things up on both screen and in traditional print.
I found the interview boring. Gary Neville probably thinks there's a lot more idiots who support Arsenal after that waste of time.
They had 30 minutes with Neville and wasted it by going over the same things ffs.
Actually bringing up the clown emoji.
They could have really got his thoughts on Wenger staying and made their points about why they believe he shouldnt (tbf DT did the best at that but seemed to get cut off to early)., how Arsenal can take the next step, the fan divide, the naivety of Arsenal in big games and how it reflects the manager, etc.
Actually bringing up the clown emoji.
They could have really got his thoughts on Wenger staying and made their points about why they believe he shouldnt (tbf DT did the best at that but seemed to get cut off to early)., how Arsenal can take the next step, the fan divide, the naivety of Arsenal in big games and how it reflects the manager, etc.
Watching now. DT came across very well.
Only just on the Moh part and my gosh this guy pisses me off. Just too smug.
Only just on the Moh part and my gosh this guy pisses me off. Just too smug.
Definitely. Saw vids of them getting a tour around the sky studios and these lot were buzzing to be around. They met Carragher as well. Good to see fans have their say, but because of that lack of training, clearly some of them struggled to communicate, or quite frankly were in a bit of awe (especially Claude).
They spent far too much time discussing trivial details. I'm sure Neville clarified his position on using the words like idiot and embarrassing several times yet they kept pulling him up on it.
They could've used the interview in a much more productive way if they weren't so antsy about defending themselves and trying to justify what they do.
They could've used the interview in a much more productive way if they weren't so antsy about defending themselves and trying to justify what they do.
Moh tried to act really clever but ended up looking an idiot. The comments are rinsing him.
Overall it was disappointing. DT came out of it well. I thought he'd embarrass himself but fair play he articulated his opinions well. Him and Robbie on their own would have been far better - we would have got more than 10 minutes of actual football debate for one thing.
Finally finished it. Fecking hell, Moh pisses me right off.
Think they approached it a bit wrong as many have said. Found it interesting, but would have been more interested if they actually talked about Wenger.
I also think Neville is a bit delusional, but that's another story.
Think they approached it a bit wrong as many have said. Found it interesting, but would have been more interested if they actually talked about Wenger.
I also think Neville is a bit delusional, but that's another story.
Moh acts like that even on his videos. I refuse to watch his videos even if Arsenal get battered. Agreed though, not nice to say, but Claude came across as very dim and Troopz didn't say much, but was more interested in talking about other things.
Moh is proof that being well spoken doesn't make you smart nor does speaking like Troopz make you unintelligent. Troopz isn't intelligent though even if you do remove the slang.
Great post.
Wenger has wasted a lot of money but they can't compete at the top end of the market and the owners are responsible for that.
This.
They wasted all the time with arguing about calling some fan an idiot and calling the channel embarrassing.
If this was a TV show, I'd call it a "filler" episode.
Lots of self-esteem issues. You were called an idiot, boohoo. Does that really affect anything whatsoever. It was established that everyone had a right to their opinion in the 1St 5 minutes and they all agreed. They should have moved to more relevant issues. I'd like to have heard their rebuttals to Neville's argument that Wenger is doing well relative to their spending.
Yep..complete waste of time. Moh's contribution was particularly pointless.
Can't believe they didn't call Neville out on the tradition crap he was spouting.
clown emoji. good grief
Yeah they wasted their chance. Each question became a monologue and troops' 'question' was a self-obsessed rant.
Here are some questions they should have asked:
1. How can you defend a manager of a big club who hasn't won the league for 13 Years?
2. Why should Arsenal accept they are a smaller club than Chelsea? (this is what I took it to mean when neville talked of them having 'different models')
3. If Wenger is complicit in the boards' penny-pinching then doesn't he share the blame with Kroenke?
4. Arsenal fans have the most expensive season tickets in the world. Why shouldn't they be entitled to expect trophies? You get what you pay for in any other walk of life.
5. If Ferguson had gone 13 years without a title, would neville have defended him?
Here are some questions they should have asked:
1. How can you defend a manager of a big club who hasn't won the league for 13 Years?
2. Why should Arsenal accept they are a smaller club than Chelsea? (this is what I took it to mean when neville talked of them having 'different models')
3. If Wenger is complicit in the boards' penny-pinching then doesn't he share the blame with Kroenke?
4. Arsenal fans have the most expensive season tickets in the world. Why shouldn't they be entitled to expect trophies? You get what you pay for in any other walk of life.
5. If Ferguson had gone 13 years without a title, would neville have defended him?
Agree they spent too much time harping on about the same thing. Glad TY was nowhere to be found. They have gotten a lot of publicity the last month or so
Awful interview.
I think FullTimeDevils is far better. ArsenalFanTV is just rants and controversial clickbait. FullTimeDevils has good analysis with Statman Dave, transfer reviews, pre-match analysis, the press conferences, 4 way discussion with camera in camera displays and professional graphics and editing. The regular guys are generally sensible yet funny and they have the fancams segment for a broad range of fans. They even have youth profiles, debates, player interviews. I barely watch mutv but watch most FullTimeDevils videos - its laughable that a fan channel could be better than the official channel.
Arsenal fans are idiots after having wasted a glorious chance to actually ask him the tough questions. Moh's 10 minute segment was a waste, Claude didn't seem to have anything much to say, Troopz was more concerned about the respect Arsenal Fan TV gets and DT seemed to have been the only one who sort of articulated his concerns. Had the other 3 built upon DT's concerns, it could have been really interesting and maybe Neville along with other fans would have got their point
You are forgetting Andy Tate though
and Charlie. Is there a more annoying person an any fan channel than Charlie?
Thats not true at all. Arsenal fan tv has a lot of other content besides the post match interviews. In the summer they did a daily transfer news and other interesting pieces. Full Time Devils is full of arrogant Utd fans who still believe we actually have a devine right to be beating everyone and winning everything.
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