AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope

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Agree that ArsenalFanTv is streets ahead of the rest. Primarily as Robbie is a good host and likeable most of the time.

Rest of the channels, including FullTimeDevils are unwatchable most of the time.
 
saivet said:
I'm still subscribed to FTD but not watched a vid on there for god knows how long. Is Howson still on it? Genuinely must be the most annoying person I know of in the social media/youtube realm
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Howson is an attention seeking tit. FTD is pretty bad, RedMen TV is worse though - proper rough show that.
 
Boycott said:
Arsenal fans [and generally fans of big clubs] are very hard to take serious when they give it the "woe is me" attitude.

Loads of clubs up and down the country are in tremendously worse situations. In the Premier League you have a club like Sunderland whose fans have to put up with relegation battles year in year out and a load of shite to watch and go further down there are clubs full of problems struggling to stay afloat.
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Mate by this logic, if you went to a posh restaurant and complained about a shit meal the owner could just tell you to stop moaning because some people have to eat McDonald's. If you bought a top of the range car and took it back because it kept breaking down, the showroom dealer could tell you to get lost because some people have to travel by bicycle.

For all these AFTV fans sound like idiots, they are forking out huge amounts of money - Arsenal has the most expensive season tickets in the world.

Yes some other clubs have bigger problems but it's only a fraction of the cost to watch those clubs.
 
So Robbie is on bbc sport predicting against Lawro... Next, he'll be pundit on MOTD. He really is springboarding off these ArsenalFan.TV idiots :lol:
 
saivet said:
I'm still subscribed to FTD but not watched a vid on there for god knows how long. Is Howson still on it? Genuinely must be the most annoying person I know of in the social media/youtube realm
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Yeah Howson is regularly on it. Can't stand the guy neither. I quite like McKola though.
 
saivet said:
I'm still subscribed to FTD but not watched a vid on there for god knows how long. Is Howson still on it? Genuinely must be the most annoying person I know of in the social media/youtube realm
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Yeah Howson, Stat Man Dave and the rest. Pile of bile every week
 
Training ground bust up between Ox and Alexis?

Ps the Nev interview will be released at 5pm today.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Howson is an attention seeking tit. FTD is pretty bad, RedMen TV is worse though - proper rough show that.
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How is Redmen TV a rough show? They do great pre match content with mostly very balanced opinions.

I think both FTD and RMTV produce some really good content personally.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
So Robbie is on bbc sport predicting against Lawro... Next, he'll be pundit on MOTD. He really is springboarding off these ArsenalFan.TV idiots :lol:
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Fair play to him, to be fair he could probably do the job just as well as Jake Humphries, Matt Smith etc.
 
Minimalist said:
Every time I hear an Arsenal fan bemoan the lack of Danny Welbeck as the reason they're in poor form I get more and more hopeful of United making the top four.

No fecking team of any decency depends of the likes of that.
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He's the sale I most begrudge the club making pre-Mourinho. I think he's a fantastic player and his injury was the biggest reason England were crap at the Euros.

His off-the-ball movement is outstanding and he creates a lot of space and opportunities for his teammates. He's not your main number 9, or your playmaker in behind, but he's a great foil for your more technically gifted attacking options.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
 
TMDaines said:
He's the sale I most begrudge the club making pre-Mourinho. I think he's a fantastic player and his injury was the biggest reason England were crap at the Euros.

His off-the-ball movement is outstanding and he creates a lot of space and opportunities for his teammates. He's not your main number 9, or your playmaker in behind, but he's a great foil for your more technically gifted attacking options.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
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When I think of Danny, the first thing that comes to mind is that missed one on one when he tried to chip Neuer in CL.
 
SteveTheRed said:
Fair play to him, to be fair he could probably do the job just as well as Jake Humphries, Matt Smith etc.
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At least he's a down to earth football fan, not some career professional like the rest meaning he gives a more genuine view of things. He's a kind of unpolished Gary Neville.
 
Locker room bust up actually. Alexis and Ox came to blows after the game, apparently
 
Klopper76 said:
How is Redmen TV a rough show? They do great pre match content with mostly very balanced opinions.

I think both FTD and RMTV produce some really good content personally.
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Red Men TV reminds me of a Eurotrash. Absolute garbage full of w@nkers actually believing that Liverpool deserve to win things
 
I don't watch redmen tv but i see those two chaps on ballstreet and they seem good lads.

I agree with the people above about ftd - the two faces of that channel are so far up their own arse. The little ginger kid is alright but he's not a regular.
 
Boycott said:
I don't watch redmen tv but i see those two chaps on ballstreet and they seem good lads.

I agree with the people above about ftd - the two faces of that channel are so far up their own arse. The little ginger kid is alright but he's not a regular.
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Cant stand him neither. I really think McKola is the only regular guy on there who I don't mind.
 
TMDaines said:
He's the sale I most begrudge the club making pre-Mourinho. I think he's a fantastic player and his injury was the biggest reason England were crap at the Euros.

His off-the-ball movement is outstanding and he creates a lot of space and opportunities for his teammates. He's not your main number 9, or your playmaker in behind, but he's a great foil for your more technically gifted attacking options.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
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Danny Welbeck scored as many league goals as Fellaini and Chris Smalling in his first(non-injury ravaged) at Arsenal.

If Welbeck is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked.

And England were crap with Danny. They got knocked out in the group stages of the World Cup with a solitary point with him. They actually did better at the Euros in comparison.
 
Attila said:
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I find people like him and the Bludfam guy to be a bit disgusting tbh. I appreciate there's a lot of emotion after such a performance and result and that Arsenal have stalled. But to speak about Wenger in that way, this guy who's done so much for the club, is just insane. I know Arsenal were a big club before he came anyway but he's at least overseen a potentially difficult time for them wrt the stadium and changed their image worldwide to a stylish club who play good football.

I don't know. I know you guys were giving Ferguson a lot of stick around 03/04 etc but I don't remember it being this vitriolic (though it was never this bad I guess).

Mot going to lie though, these videos have just give me quite a good laugh.
 
K2K said:
Danny Welbeck scored as many league goals as Fellaini and Chris Smalling in his first(non-injury ravaged) at Arsenal.

If Welbeck is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked.

And England were crap with Danny. They got knocked out in the group stages of the World Cup with a solitary point with him. They actually did better at the Euros in comparison.
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As I implied, I don't think goalscoring is Welbeck's strength. There's been plenty of nominally attacking players who the consensus considers to be great, but didn't contribute a large number of goals. Zidane would be one. His strength lies off-the-ball and he allows his more technically gifted and incisive teammates to be more effective.

Not sure what point there is focusing the discussion of a player's worth on two games of 61 and 71 minutes (so less than 1.5 matches) two years prior to a period in discussion. Been plenty of shit players that look world beaters for a few games in a tournament and vice versa. For the years prior to his recent injuries, Welbeck was an important player for England and they looked better with him than without him.
 
I won't judge supporters of a club who after paying the highest price for tickets, see their club stagnate, all while a seemingly untouchable manager is bulletproof from the sack.

Some of them on the channel do sound ridiculous for their statements in post match but it's also silly to make out like they're "disgusting cretins" for being pissed off with how things are going. The fact Wenger is gloomy and reserved doesn't make it any easier I'm sure.
 
El General 1994 said:
I think fans are well within their right for wanting him to go etc., but when they start calling him a 'fraud' and telling him to 'eff off' out of the club...

Harsh.
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Is it though?

They pay some of the highest prices in terms of tickets. Follow the team all over the country and Europe, their team can't even be fecked to come over and applaud the support or apologise to them.

Then there's the so called tactical genius he is meant to be: constantly found out by good teams with no discernible change in tactics( contrast that with
Mourinho who doesn't care if he pisses off star players),losing to inferior opposition( by Arsenal standards) and passing off champions league qualification as a barometer for success when teams of the same stature win leagues outright- using that as a measure of success! Finally there's the lack of a major trophy in 12 years while collecting one of the top salaries in football.

I'd say fraud is pretty tame!
 
TMDaines said:
As I implied, I don't think goalscoring is Welbeck's strength. There's been plenty of nominally attacking players who the consensus considers to be great, but didn't contribute a large number of goals. Zidane would be one. His strength lies off-the-ball and he allows his more technically gifted and incisive teammates to be more effective.

Not sure what point there is focusing the discussion of a player's worth on two games of 61 and 71 minutes (so less than 1.5 matches) two years prior to a period in discussion. Been plenty of shit players that look world beaters for a few games in a tournament and vice versa. For the years prior to his recent injuries, Welbeck was an important player for England and they looked better with him than without him.
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Its when someone claims that the biggest reason England were crap at the Euros was because of Welbeck's absence. They are crap with or without him, and have proven that at their last two major tournaments.

Welbeck doesnt compensate anywhere close enough for his lack of goals in other areas(unlike Zidane) to be indispensable. He's a decent footballer, but sides with serious title ambitions should and can do better.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Are those figures genuine? Jesus. Maybe Wenger is the problem then
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They're genuine I think but they're in Euros, not pounds. So the figure is actually lower and to be honest, they're not particularly big amounts given the amount of money swilling around the Premier League these days. We're now in an era where Palace are spending around £30 million on a single player, Stoke £20 million, and Bournemouth £15 million. The summer before last Arsenal spent £11 million on Cech and that was that. They generate far more money than those other 3 clubs I mentioned yet on some occasions they're not spending that much more than them or even less.

This is ultimately on Kroenke and his mates on the board IMO but Wenger is definitely part of the problem because he accepts it so he's complicit in it too. However, I agree with the sentiment that if Wenger goes it doesn't necessarily make things better because unless Kroenke changes his approach and actually starts sanctioning the kind of spending that would see Arsenal seriously challenge for the title then things will almost certainly not get better for them, and could even get worse. I thought the signings of Ozil and Sanchez in consecutive summer transfer windows would signal a period of heavier spending with more stellar signings to come but it seems those 2 were a false dawn. Christ, they could've possibly landed Suarez for £50 million if they'd bothered to increase their one and only bid and he might well have fired them to the title the following season, given that Liverpool nearly won it with an arguably lesser squad.

Far from being the best run club in the country, it could be counter-argued that they're one of the worst. An accountant's wet dream for sure but they've missed plenty of opportunities in recent years to put down a genuine marker due to a total lack of ambition.
 
africanspur said:
I find people like him and the Bludfam guy to be a bit disgusting tbh. I appreciate there's a lot of emotion after such a performance and result and that Arsenal have stalled. But to speak about Wenger in that way, this guy who's done so much for the club, is just insane. I know Arsenal were a big club before he came anyway but he's at least overseen a potentially difficult time for them wrt the stadium and changed their image worldwide to a stylish club who play good football.

I don't know. I know you guys were giving Ferguson a lot of stick around 03/04 etc but I don't remember it being this vitriolic (though it was never this bad I guess).

Mot going to lie though, these videos have just give me quite a good laugh.
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Troopz (Bludfam) is perfectly fine and often provides a bit of levity and entertainment. DT is basically just a squealing piglet.
 
K2K said:
Its when someone claims that the biggest reason England were crap at the Euros was because of Welbeck's absence. They are crap with or without him, and have proven that at their last two major tournaments.
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The relative strength of evidence from the number of games that shows how England have played with Welbeck as a whole vs less than 135 minutes at the World Cup 2014 is pretty stark. The value of reading anything in to his performance at World Cup is essentially null. Unless a team reaches the final or semi-final in a cup, there's little point drawing any conclusions from performances, and even then they need to be tempered.

England generally haven't been crap in my lifetime. They're one of the most generally consistent sides in the world. They're just crap at major tournaments, when there's little room for error and your halfway home after a bad game. When you compare their performance to qualifiers and friendlies, I'd suggest that seems to be down to a far wider problem than the talent or lack thereof of the core of their squads. But that's a different discussion.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I like claude.

The rest of them, not so much, but he seems to think a bit about his comments, not just ranting.

I agree with someone above, his interview up above is the best one arsenal fan tv has produced.

He's got a better perspective on what is actually the problem and how to get out of it than neville thats for sure. Yes, letting wenger retire is a risk, but at some point they won't make top 4 as they are now, and it could be this year. At some point, he has to be replaced, now is the time.
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Yeah, I like Claude too. I could never get as apoplectic with rage after a City game as he does with Arsenal, but he makes some very good points when he's not going off on one. Ty is too much of a happy clapper for my liking but he's pretty harmless really.
 
TMDaines said:
The relative strength of evidence from the number of games that shows how England have played with Welbeck as a whole vs less than 135 minutes at the World Cup 2014 is pretty stark. The value of reading anything in to his performance at World Cup is essentially null. Unless a team reaches the final or semi-final in a cup, there's little point drawing any conclusions from performances, and even then they need to be tempered.

England generally haven't been crap in my lifetime. They're one of the most generally consistent sides in the world. They're just crap at major tournaments, when there's little room for error and your halfway home after a bad game. When you compare their performance to qualifiers and friendlies, I'd suggest that seems to be down to a far wider problem than the talent or lack thereof of the core of their squads. But that's a different discussion.
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I think we have been watching different England teams these years. They aren't crap against the likes of Malta, but are usually pretty useless when it matters the most. With or without Welbeck.
 
JmRssll555 said:
Also, the comment about them not winning European Cups before he arrived will wind them up something silly! :lol:
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Yeah thought it was daft when I read it, in the same time United have won it twice and lost 2 finals, and both Chelsea and Liverpool reached 2 finals winning one each (despite being utterley shite in the league in 2005 and 2012 respectively) so its not like the league Arsenal play in is totally hopeless in Europe and the competition isn't winnable. For fecks sake they were about 20 minutes away from winning it themselves at one point.
 
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