Arsenal is a club held hostage by money-men...and those money-men include Wenger.
AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope
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It's hard to take that Troopz bloke seriously when he talks like such an uneducated moron, even though I agree with some of his points. Although most of them he has just recycled from more intelligent analysts and packages as his own.
I don't like how these things only seem to promote some 'celeb' fan. An outlet for people who likely say "I'm mad me, all my friends say I'm just bonkers!" at least once a day. Entertaining once or twice but he's becoming more annoying than people who go on Big Brother to get famous. You've had your 5 minutes mate, now feck off.
They've performed better than us in the last few years but our situation Is easier to take. One thing you cannot accuse this club of, is lacking ambition.
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, sensible discussion is often not the most popular type of discussion. Especially in football and especially in England.
Arsenal fans [and generally fans of big clubs] are very hard to take serious when they give it the "woe is me" attitude.
Loads of clubs up and down the country are in tremendously worse situations. In the Premier League you have a club like Sunderland whose fans have to put up with relegation battles year in year out and a load of shite to watch and go further down there are clubs full of problems struggling to stay afloat.
Loads of clubs up and down the country are in tremendously worse situations. In the Premier League you have a club like Sunderland whose fans have to put up with relegation battles year in year out and a load of shite to watch and go further down there are clubs full of problems struggling to stay afloat.
I heard a lot of people say that ArsenalFanTV is orchestrated and not genuine reactions. That is some great acting if it's the case. The guy from 'The club is rotten' looks like he's about to kill someone.
He's a dinosaur and needs to go. As a united fan I hope he stays. Team selections have been dreadful of late. Welbz should've been one of the first names on that teamsheet tonight, real big game player.
If anything, they've gone backwards. Their anger is 100% justified. 10 years of the same old shit with no reaction from the manager or board, yeah, I'd be tearing my hair out too.
Except this is such a flawed attitude because perspective is everything. If a man was to be given £100,000,000 whereas another man was given £10,000.. who would you expect to make the most money if it was to be re-invested?
Arsenal fans (and fans of other big clubs) have higher expectations than smaller clubs because of their comparative earnings capacity and, thus, spending capacity, being much higher.
Not to mention the high ticket prices they pay, which is partly due to the stadium move, which was stated as a way to compete with the best in Europe.
Arsenal Mania said:
Is Wenger a blud or a fam?
different sized clubs have different priorities. if United were in relegation form, would you be thinking, 'well, it's not all bad, sunderland have to deal with this all the time!'. i doubt it.
He's a wasteman blud
Thanks to Arsenal there is a now a whole young generation in England that believes Round of 16 is also called Last 16, because there are no more rounds after it.
Arsenal Mania said:
Probably been posted before, but
No but that's a very extreme counter - my point is there's no need to act like not winning the title is a bad thing - especially when you make top four every year. I fully understand differences in expectations but there's also a difference in expectation and entitlement.
That's honestly peanuts to see a Champions League tie between two massive clubs at a fabulous arena. It costs $150 to go see the Red Wings play a blasé regular season game and they won't even make the playoffs. And that'd be with me driving there. I couldn't imagine how much I'd have to pay to fly/hotel/ticket to, say, Tampa, for a playoff game.
I feel you, and I've beaten a similar drum here in the last few years, but there is an admitted relativity to it. There's a fine line between being spoiled and not blithely accepting mediocrity, particularly for a big club with ambition. It basically comes down to how you express it. The type of fans who expect 3 world class players in every position and slag of consistent performers endlessly for not being Messi-like FIFA avatars are clearly the former, but i can sympathise with Arsenal fans for running out of patience with a manager whose plateaued them for a decade. They've been grateful for a long time. Fans of every persuasion are liable to push back against such an evident lack of progress, whatever level it's at.
Football is as much about blind, unrealistic hope as it is bitter, grudging routine, after all.
There are a number of reasons why Arsenal fans are justified in wanting a change; the one that pisses even me (a United fan) off is Wenger's barely concealed contempt for any dissenting fan.
Absolutely agree that different clubs' fans should have different expectations, but when fans of big clubs talk about 'hurt' and 'suffering' because they only win FA cups and finish 2-4th in the league, it gets a bit too much for me.
Underachievement and disappointment? Yes. Suffering? Get the feck out of here.
Underachievement and disappointment? Yes. Suffering? Get the feck out of here.
It'd be very amusing if we weren't a joke ourselves.
Watching the same season for ten years and knowing it wont change until Wenger leaves is suffering
We're at least attempting to fix our problems, Arsenal have been content to do the same thing for a decade.
I definitely have sympathy for the fans on AFTV. Many of them come across as a bit idiotic with their own little gimmicks, but at the end of the day they pay more money than anyone else in Europe to go to those games.
I feel bad for Claude in particular. I've seen videos in the past suggesting he's had a pretty rough time of it in his personal life and he also recently said he's skint at the moment which isn't hard to believe.
I obviously don't want things to get better for Arsenal but I still feel a level of sympathy for their match-going supporters. And not even a clap from Wenger at the end. Pathetic.
I feel bad for Claude in particular. I've seen videos in the past suggesting he's had a pretty rough time of it in his personal life and he also recently said he's skint at the moment which isn't hard to believe.
I obviously don't want things to get better for Arsenal but I still feel a level of sympathy for their match-going supporters. And not even a clap from Wenger at the end. Pathetic.
I can't watch that blud fam bollocks guy. The tosser should just grow up.
As a MUFC supporter, I pray to God that Wenger stays.
As long as he is at AFC, we won't need to compete against AFC for the title.
I'll be gutted if/when we finally get our act together, we finish in 2nd place, with them in 1st.
As long as he is at AFC, we won't need to compete against AFC for the title.
I'll be gutted if/when we finally get our act together, we finish in 2nd place, with them in 1st.
The fact some of our fans, however few, were actively hoping we lost the FA Cup final, or got more joy from LVGs sacking than winning it, was beyond ridiculous. It still annoys me. But there is an argument to be made that without such vocal OTT entitlement, we'd have endured that rut for longer.
The last few years have exposed some extraordinarily spoiled members of our fanbase, but if Jose gets us back to the top, they'll have essentially been proved right, and possibly even crucial, however unpalatable.
It's an odd one, cos I'm with you in the main. But I can't deny being an entitled prick may have its benefits. Or at least having a few in your (**ahem**) Arsenal.
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Sack Wenger, Sell Mary
Bluddy Mary.Mary Bobbins
Mockney said:
Thi-Mary Henry
Everyone said:
Doh.
It's hard to be sure how much effect they have. I am convinced that missing on top four, the availability of Mourinho, and the fact that LVG was due to retire in ay year anyway was always going to mean that he was getting replaced, even without all the e-Protests, petitions, and flying banners. The matchgoing fans were largely not reflecting the anger on here or other online platforms and they are the ones who might have a better chance of influencing the board and its decisions.
ArsenalFanTV, the banners, the media saying the same things about Wenger year in year out, has somehow not resulted in a change in management.
While playing in Europe, finishing in the top 4 every year, playing some fantastic football at times, and winning a few cups here and there? I don't know. As I said, it is disappointing but suffering is too strong a word.
And don't get me started on the people who said that watching United play under LVG was "torture".
Maybe I'm just allergic to exaggerations!
My oh my. I feel for Arsenal's fans.
It's not working out for him, clearly.
The board is happy. I am sure. Otherwise why would they keep him so long? He's done great for the club in his first years. And then he's been doing exactly what it takes to have the board content with situation. Get in top 4 year after year - money is good. Get in CL. Make sure you make it through the group stage so they take that bonus and there after it's the roll of the dice.
With average or just above average players (bar Sanchez and Ozil) Wenger is qualifying for CL and then through the group stage. There are clubs like Crystal Palace who spend £30m on Benteke and then fight for promotion.
Their real problem is that they have no real hunger for trophies. They don't want ttrophies. They are in their comfort zone (put aside Sanchez). The only time they want silverware is while they are wishfuly thinking about them.
The only way things will change are if Wenger has respect for the fans and leaves himself or they miss out on CL. If not, he will be there for more of the average start-strong autumn-dip in Jan Feb-strong finish-next year will be out year cycle.
It's not working out for him, clearly.
The board is happy. I am sure. Otherwise why would they keep him so long? He's done great for the club in his first years. And then he's been doing exactly what it takes to have the board content with situation. Get in top 4 year after year - money is good. Get in CL. Make sure you make it through the group stage so they take that bonus and there after it's the roll of the dice.
With average or just above average players (bar Sanchez and Ozil) Wenger is qualifying for CL and then through the group stage. There are clubs like Crystal Palace who spend £30m on Benteke and then fight for promotion.
Their real problem is that they have no real hunger for trophies. They don't want ttrophies. They are in their comfort zone (put aside Sanchez). The only time they want silverware is while they are wishfuly thinking about them.
The only way things will change are if Wenger has respect for the fans and leaves himself or they miss out on CL. If not, he will be there for more of the average start-strong autumn-dip in Jan Feb-strong finish-next year will be out year cycle.
You seem obsessed with the way a person speaks and less interested in what they say. Go watch some bowls and I'm sure you'll find less "blud fam" that bothers you so much
Remember, its a well run 'financial model'
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