You would have anger issues too if we had a manager like Wenger
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Claude said he might not do Arsenal Fan Tv anymore.
That would be genuinely awful news.
That would be genuinely awful news.
Wenger really needs to go. How many seasons in a row can he do the same thing and survive? I have no clue how their board operates or decides things though.
Jurgen Ty
I hope Claude doesn't suffer from high blood pressure
The new title
I actually thought he was spot on. Plus, this made me laugh:
"If the first half was a politician, it'd be Donald Trump. That's how disgusting it was."
Ty's an official Arsenal mascot, isn't he? Bless his heart.
Serious question for Arsenal fans on the forum, why does Wenger get so many praise from the British media, and when Mourinho or Guardiola lose one match they are finished and overrated?
I can understand that when Wenger arrived at England he was an inovator, but there are so many better managers than him today, why keep him?
I can understand that when Wenger arrived at England he was an inovator, but there are so many better managers than him today, why keep him?
Because he's one of our own at this point.
Should've interviewed this guy last night.
I can understand Arsenal fans like him, but even if you praise more atractive football over titles, there are better managers than him, just my opinion,
Because he's paid his dues. 20 years in the league. He took a lot of stick his first 10 years, Arsene Who? First manager to field a starting XI of non-English, former media favorite Clough loved taking potshots at him. Proper Footballing Men loved to tease him, etc.
When Ferguson retired, Wenger inherited that elder statesman role.
Also, remember it goes both ways for Mourinho and Guardiola. All summer both were hyped like crazy before the first United-City match. The media were selling it like this year the title would be between Mourinho's Untied vs. Guardiola's City. The media backlash now is that neither Manchester manager gave them the narrative they tried to sell in August-Sept.
Fair enough, but you need to separate what happened in the past and see the present and the future.
While Wenger is an all time great, lately he doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Mourinho and Guardiola.
Lately is an understatement. What is it, like 2 FA Cups in like 12 years now or something?
I can see the temptation for Arsenal fans in wanting rid of Wenger just to get rid of the groundhog seasons they have but they should be careful what they wish for. They only need to look at Utd to see what a bad managerial appointment can do.
I don't know about that. He just really loves arsenal and Wenger, and has an eternally optimistic outlook, which is an admirable quality.The feck. Ty is as clueless as the rest if not more so
He probably knows that losing at home to Watford is unacceptable, but what's the point in whining? Kick on and beat Chelsea next week, all will be forgiven.
Just subscribed to Arsenal FanTV. 
That's pretty much like trying to tell Arsenal fans need to look at the reality that Arsenal is just a small club who can't win the league anymore.
Wenger has proven to show lack of ambition to win something especially the league. If they keep Wenger, they might be safe in top 4. But if they sack Wenger and appoint a top manager then they will win something or being kicked out from top 4. Either be happy to stay in top 4 forever or taking a big risk to win the league.
Its human nature. The wife you married isnt the same person you knew and how you first felt.
Its tough to dump her just because there is a new younger model out there.
Loyalty is a highly prized attribute in most cultures.
Just subscribed to Arsenal FanTV.
Its the first thing I watch especially after an arsenal loss. Has a bit of everything -- drama, comedy, tension, logical analysis...
I don't know why people keep using us as an example, Arsenal aren't and weren't on our level during the SAF era. A lack of success is unacceptable for us, it's been the norm at Arsenal for a long time.
It's not. It's saying that they may think things are bad now but getting rid of Wenger isn't necessarily going to see them improve. Like I said, I can see why they want rid but there aren't many managers around to turn to. Arsenal's failure isn't because Wenger lacks the ambition to win the league. It's because he's too short sighted to see his way can only get them so far without real leaders on the pitch.
It's just an example of how losing a long serving manager can have a devestating effect. Them not being as successful has nothing to do with it.
He's pretty much lack of ambition because he's not willing to spend a lot of money to buy top players. The fact he's being stubborn not to get real leaders on the pitch because he only wants to stick with his new idealism principle, his lack of ambition makes him denies the fact that he needs them and in order to buy them they need to spend money. But Wenger isn't willing to spend that much of money to buy that type of players.
But he did splash the cash on players like Sanchez and Ozil. Even the likes of Mustafi and Xhaka weren't cheap at all. The problem is his frustrating loyalty to players even when they go off the boil and he has options that are firing. Starting Ramsey today is a perfect example of that.
This is so relevant. People talk about Wenger being a perennial underachiever. Arsenal were competitive for 7 seasons, winning three league titles. That represented them overachieving. (Plus we won the other 4 in that time anyway).
I am HUGELY respectful of Wenger. He changed English football. He came here, brought a certain brand of football that was open, expansive and great to watch. He built one of the best league sides of all time, evolved from one of the most exciting. Those are great achievements.
Yet that's all it ever ran to.
Fergie had built a great United side for a few years. Wenger came along and changed football a little. Fergie met that challenge, changed how we played and went again. After Arsenals first triumph we won 3 back to back. Mourinho came along, had great success with Chelsea employing a new style. He hit day 1 of the season as if the title race started. After 2 seasons, Fergie had adjusted, rebuilt and we won 3 back to back again.
Wenger has never done that. He inherited a great defence, turned it into a fabulous football team. Evolved that into a very strong and dominant side that went a whole season unbeaten... That's where it finished though. 13 years without a league title. He never defended a league title. His and Arsenals success can be narrowed down to fit a 7 year window. A 20 year old today will have almost no recollection of Arsenal ever being a successful league side.
I really enjoy watching them at times. Some of my favourite players in the league play there. If I could raid any club for players, it would probably be them. They're just not winners though and haven't been in over a decade.
Rant over. Fully expect them to now spank Chelsea, win ten on the spin and the league too.
Damn. I read your post, ready to disagree because I remembered how many times we were outclassed we were by Wenger's Henry led side at the time but you do make some good points. We eventually learned to play against Arsenal, who never replaced Henry. Ferguson, meanwhile, got rid of United's equivalent at the time (if only in terms of goals), Van Nistelrooy, and won the league a few more times, even after losing Cristiano Ronaldo, the man who replaced Van Nistelrooy's goals.
Wenger was a proper good manager, but Fergie was just on another level, wasn't he? We'll never see the likes of him again.
He didn't splash a lot of money on Sanchez. Sanchez was available cheap in the market for £31m, bargain price for a world class winger. He would never try to sign Sanchez if it cost him more than £35m or more than £40m.
The players that he was willing to spend on were Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka but that's only 3 players in 13 years and also after he has lost his big players like Fabregas, RVP, and etc. And also Mustafi's rumour came out after both Gabriel and Mertesacker got injured, he was forced to spent money on Mustafi because of the injuries.
He failed to replace the invincible team, he wasn't willing to spend money to replace them, he failed to build his own new team after invincible. He's happy with top 4 for 13 years and the board are also pleased with that achievement in 13 years means lack of ambition.
Surely he gotta try to win at least 1 PL if he wants it, but it seems he's okay with no PL in 13 years and just stay safe and make sure they stay in CL spot for money and sponsor.
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I still can't get over Ty blaming the rain for last nights result.
Really like Wenger. Love his principles, loved both* his Arsenal sides as much as you can as an oppo fan. [*Even though it maybe wasn't really two, more an evolution of one into something more efficient].
Quite like Arsenal due to Wenger. Players, style of play. Loved going to Highbury as an away fan far more than the Emirates. They had great players under Wenger. But it rankles with me that people forget that since he took charge of Arsenal they haven't actually been that good. 7 seasons out of 20. Chelsea have won far more in that time. They're better than us at the moment and have been for a few years, but nothing makes me believe that normal service wont be resumed next season.
That DT twat just made my morning
Worst hardman ever!
Worst hardman ever!
What's the meltdown like on those channels?
They've gone over a decade without the PL title, have never won the Champions League and have been disappointing in cups during that time. Only thing that would be devastating for them would be to keep thinking Wenger will turn this around.
Guy has done everything he could to try and get sacked, surely even he is surprised he hasn't been sacked yet.
Aye, people keep talking about how they will struggle post Wenger, but to be completely honest, they've been struggling with Wenger at the helm for over a decade now.
It's as if they are going to be hindering some untouchable dynasty Wenger has implemented if he was to leave. He's a good manager, but he's no Ferguson, I can name 4-5 managers in the EPL alone that are better than him currently.
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He's been dogmatic and far too stubborn.
Sadly seeing 'his' Arsenal team as a project is watching an exercise in failure. They need a fresh injection of new ideas and new faces as the likes of Walcott,Ox,Ozil have been sitting comfortably with no threat of being dropped.
Can you imagine what Conte would have done with the talent available?
TBF any of the managers in the top 6 would be doing much better than Wenger is with Arsenal's squad imo, I'd even go as far to say maybe Koeman could get more out of those players.
I think with Wenger he's a decent manager tactically, stubborn, but still good. Where his shortcomings lie is in his man management. Arsenal as a whole for over a decade have been notorious for being soft. Their players are wasting precious injury time doing fancy celebrations and thinking about their selfies post game instead of looking for another goal ffs.
The mentality at that club is just fecked and has been for a while imo and that all comes down from the manager. It's him who allows it, who has put up with it for years, season after season and hasn't managed to fix it.
Arsenal's performances and honours won the past couple of years isn't a valid illustration of Arsenal, they were much better than that, they should have won more, but didn't and I genuinely think it's down to the manager being out of ideas and not being able to motivate as maybe he use to.
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